- Joined
- Jan 31, 2010
- Messages
- 31,645
- Reaction score
- 7,598
- Location
- Canada, Costa Rica
- Gender
- Male
- Political Leaning
- Independent
Ford was President when South Vietnam fell. The war that 50,000 Americans died for was lost under his watch.
I am a member here ...just like you.
The communists started the war with the French as a rebellion against their colonial rule.Perhaps the Communists started the war?? Why are leftists always so keen to blame their fellow Americans for everything?
.
I feel that we never should have been involved in a civil war in Southeast Asia at all.So you feel that Ford should have continued the war in Vietnam, a la LBJ?
Yes, I know you are a member here but shouldn't you be debating a topic where you have some knowledge?
Wrong... The first cell phones went to welfare families during the Bush administration in a program called "SafeLink Wireless."
GOP debunked: 'Obama phone' does not exist, program started in 2008 under Bush - Detroit liberal | Examiner.com
Yes, you are gifted with 20/20 hindsight.I feel that we never should have been involved in a civil war in Southeast Asia at all.
I was correcting your erroneous error filled post.
It appears that I know a whole lot more about the Vietnam war than you do.
I've not been debating you ...I've been correcting you.
Yes Bushphones would probably be more correct. Under Bush's administration the first cell phones were given out to welfare families.So all those people shouting out for free Obamaphones should have been shouting out for free Bushophones? But in any case it was started under Reagan, expanded under Clinton, modernized under Bush and continued through Obama. It was well intentioned but, like many government giveaways, became corrupt. The same is true of food stamps.
The communists started the war with the French as a rebellion against their colonial rule.
You are the one who just told everyone that the Democrats started the Vietnam war. Are you a "leftist"? You seem to be pretty "keen" on blaming fellow Americans for starting it.
I protested the US involvement in the Vietnam civil war as early as 1964.Yes, you are gifted with 20/20 hindsight.
He was President when the war was lost I didn't blame him ..I simply stated that fact. You said Nixon ended the war. The war didn't end until Saigon fell in 1975 when Ford was President.Oh really? This from someone who blames Gerald Ford for the loss in Vietnam.
The war between the North and the South was started by Ho Chi Minh against the French in 1941. It was called the first Indochina war.The Communists started the war with the French because of colonial rule? There was communist expansion going on throughout the world and many excuses were used as to why Communism might be justified. But many millions dead because it was a French colony? Have you really thought this through?
Yes Bushphones would probably be more correct. Under Bush's administration the first cell phones were given out to welfare families.
How is the "SafeLink Wireless." program corrupt?
I protested the US involvement in the Vietnam civil war as early as 1964.
He was President when the war was lost I didn't blame him ..I simply stated that fact. You said Nixon ended the war. The war didn't end until Saigon fell in 1975 when Ford was President.
Perhaps the Communists started the war?? Why are leftists always so keen to blame their fellow Americans for everything?
The American people turned against the war, or at least the Leftists did, just as they did in Afghanistan and Iraq. American is not likely to win another war again, and they haven't for a long while.
I disagree. We actually won Vietnam when we withdrew and let the people of Vietnam have their own country to run. They were at war against colonial influence, namely the French and we took the WRONG side. Their ideology was really not important except to us and the Russians. The Vietnamese were really just pawns in a proxy "war" between the superpowers. Amazingly enough they have forgiven us and become trusted allies in the pacific. Who would have guessed?
Nixon didn't "end the war" as you stated just as Democrats did not start the war as you stated ...The war the US fought for over a decade ended with a loss to the communists while Ford was POTUS., and it started between Ho Chi Minh's army and the French in 1941.So despite Americans not being involved during that period, Gerald Ford is still responsible for the loss. Well, okay!
Americans should have fought alongside the communists?? I'm really enjoying your posts!
Why shouldn't the Vietnamese forgive Americans? They are an intelligent people and understand the Americans were on the side of freedom.
It's the Americans, the leftists really, who will never forgive their fellow Americans. They are why America will never win another war.
What iguannaman is saying is that before the communists backed Ho Chi Minh he came the US and asked for our help in his revolt against the French and we declined. Had we backed him the communists would likely never have gotten involved at all.Americans should have fought alongside the communists?? I'm really enjoying your posts!
Why shouldn't the Vietnamese forgive Americans? They are an intelligent people and understand the Americans were on the side of freedom.
It's the Americans, the leftists really, who will never forgive their fellow Americans. They are why America will never win another war.
It appears that there may not be stringent enough checks in handing out the phones themselves but to activate them you must provide SS or welfare documentation. The phones are minimal quality and are not worth very much. The free phones given without checking credentials costs the cell phone providers not the US taxpayers.If the subject interests you. John Stossel ~ "Obamaphone" Outrage - YouTube
What do you think?
No, or at least it wouldn't hurt my chances of voting for her. I'm still not certain how much blame Hillary should receive for this. Early press reports said that Obama denied her requests, while Congressional testimony found that she authorized a decrease in security. Regardless, I currently find the Benghazi spectacle insignificant and I'll probably vote for Hillary in 2016 if she gets the nomination.
Stop expecting so much from me!After all this time shouldn't you know what happened?
Stop expecting so much from me!
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?