Do you think Michael Savage makes sense ? (1 Viewer)

[massive_attack]

Ok, I use to be a republican, I use to listen to Michael Savage a lot. I probably listened to him for about two years on and off.

The last year or so of this was when I was no longer a republican. I listened to him just to see what insane crap he would say on OUR public air waves.

I put my foot down one day and decided not to listen to him anymore, and haven't since.

What basically happened was this. I was cleaning my house listening to the savage nation and he gets this female caller. She was well spoken, calm, had her thoughts together and sounded like a grandma (in her 50s or 60s). She sounded like a really nice lady. The kind that'd give a stranger a cookie (I kid you not).

So she starts talking about the UN (she maybe got one sentence out) and if you've ever listened to the savage nation you'll not be surprised about what happened next. Michael starts tearing into this old lady. The whole nine yards, yelling, insulting, cutting her off, talking over her, probably called her an idiot or something similar a few times.

This isn't the exception for michael savage, this is the rule. If he's not talking about riding his bike, sailing his sail boat or telling a story about his childhood he's probably yelling at someone on OUR airwaves.

That is of course unless someone calls in and agrees with him. These callers get to go on and on and on and on. He'll hold them over through the commercial breaks so they can continue to pontificate on how savage is so right and they agreee and where is this country going.

But call in and disagree , I hope you can get your point across in three words or less.

Don't get me wrong, there are a FEW things I agree with him about.

But :

1. Why all the yelling and hateful insults ?
2. Why must we constantly hear about your life story ?
3. Why pretend it's a talk show when it's really a "agree with savage" show.

Call it what it is, michaels ego show. It's not 'talk radio', it's not a 'political debate forum' it's a "agree with me or I will SCREAM you off the air" show.

I've never heard anyone on the radio (or seen anyone on tv) who treats their "guest" as badly as he does.

Let's face it. Most of the `political debate` shows are really just about one thing : making money and michaels style makes the money.

Remember folks : it's our airwaves. they're suppose to be using them to serve the public interest.

 

[Kandahar]

Didn't we already do this thread

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/11298-these-talk-radio-hosts-make-sense-you.html

 

[massive_attack]

Ya but I wanted to do one on Michael S. in specific.

 

[Goobieman]

Remember folks : it's our airwaves. they're suppose to be using them to serve the public interest.

Freedom of Speech.
You can choose to not listen to him, and that's about it.

 

[massive_attack]

It's a little different than that.

He's using our public airwaves via the fcc lic. they handed to whomever.

You can petition the fcc.

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can use the public airwaves to spout off whatever you want. There are terms to their use.

 

[Goobieman]

Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can use the public airwaves to spout off whatever you want. There are terms to their use.

Yeah right.

How long will it take for the "freedom of speech" crowd to start crying after someone petitions the FCC to shut down Al Franken or Alan Comles or some other leftist because they dont like what he says or how he says it?

Hours? Minutes?

Freedom of Speech cuts both ways. Dont like it? Oh well.

 

[Jerry]

Ok, I use to be a republican, I use to listen to Michael Savage a lot. I probably listened to him for about two years on and off........

Without you providing a transcript of the call to substantiate your view, all opinions on what was said are baseless.

 

[massive_attack]

Without you providing a transcript of the call to substantiate your view, all opinions on what was said are baseless.

oh ok. two years of lisening to savage and my opinion is baseless. like there is any way to get a transcript from over a year ago.

if i had said i liked savage i get the feeling you wouldn't have posted such a thing.

 

[massive_attack]

Yeah right.

How long will it take for the "freedom of speech" crowd to start crying after someone petitions the FCC to shut down Al Franken or Alan Comles or some other leftist because they dont like what he says or how he says it?

Hours? Minutes?

Freedom of Speech cuts both ways. Dont like it? Oh well.

i hope your not eluding to me. if so you'd be the second person to my knowledge to assume im some sort of democrat.

people on this board have a funny way of putting thoughts/actions/ideas into other peoples mouths/minds.

 

[Goobieman]

i hope your not eluding to me. if so you'd be the second person to my knowledge to assume im some sort of democrat.

people on this board have a funny way of putting thoughts/actions/ideas into other peoples mouths/minds.

Doesnt matter who I am alluding to - my statement stands.

You have a problem with his opnion and his delivery.
That's your problem. Welcome to free speech.

 

[massive_attack]

Doesnt matter who I am alluding to - my statement stands.

You have a problem with his opnion and his delivery.
That's your problem. Welcome to free speech.

I don't think you get it.

Free speech isn't the same on the publicly owned FCC regulated airwaves.

Or hadn't you heard ?

 

[Goobieman]

I don't think you get it.
Free speech isn't the same on the publicly owned FCC regulated airwaves.
Or hadn't you heard ?

It is when you're trying to get the FCC to take action because of content or delivery you dont like as opposed to content or delivery that violate FCC rules and regulations.

Savage isnt violating FCC rules, he's just rubbing you the wrong way - and YOU want the government to do something about it.

Speaks volumes for what you'd do if you were in charge.

 

[Jerry]

oh ok. two years of lisening to savage and my opinion is baseless. like there is any way to get a transcript from over a year ago.

if i had said i liked savage i get the feeling you wouldn't have posted such a thing.

Your failed attempt to change the subject from Michael Savage to questioning my character aside, you refer to a conversation between Savage and a caller, and without a transcript for everyone to read for themselves, we have have no idea, objectively, what was said.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Yeah right.

How long will it take for the "freedom of speech" crowd to start crying after someone petitions the FCC to shut down Al Franken or Alan Comles or some other leftist because they dont like what he says or how he says it?

Hours? Minutes?

Freedom of Speech cuts both ways. Dont like it? Oh well.

I agree with you Goobieman. I despise Savage and the bigotry he stands for. Whether it's burning Mexican flags, killing 100 million muslims, comparing jimmy Carter to Hitler but I will defend his right to say it.

 

[Thorgasm]

The FCC uses subjectivity to decide what is "acceptable" speech. Howard Stern doesn't have the same latitude as Oprah. She can talk about "tossing the salad" and he can't.

 

[massive_attack]

Oh right. You've already read the FCC rules and such.

How could I forget.

When you petition the fcc they look into the show, decide if rules were broken and take action if that is the case.

Ya, who knows what I'd do if I was in charge.

Maybe follow some rules.

Insanity !

This is the bottom line : They are OUR airwaves, OUR airwaves are dominated by Corp America INC. MY local airwaves (houston texas) are dominated by I-Love-Jesus-And-Dubya Inc (aka Clear Channel). I have absolutely no diverse range of news or political opinion.

As a result no contrary or differing political or social view points manage to make it on the radio, unless of course you consider getting laughed/screamed off the radio by the host as "getting on the radio".

Before the Pres. elections I listened to the major AM talk radio station let a caller go on and on about Hillary smoking crack in the white house and such. About how the kerrys probably wouldnt move into the white house if they won cause they are "too good for it". Do you know what would happen if I called in a suggested the current first lady smokes crack ? I'd be called a bad names and hung up on. Certainly not what this guy got, which was the host of the show laughing along with the caller. This was 5pm-ish mind you, drive time, maximum listener base.

Oh but I don't have the official Clear Channel transcript in PDF form so I guess this opinion doesn't count either.

I was going to give you links and such for the whole "public interest good" and "monopoly bad" thing when it comes to the airwaves but hey, you can do your own research.

 

[massive_attack]

Your failed attempt to change the subject from Michael Savage to questioning my character aside, you refer to a conversation between Savage and a caller, and without a transcript for everyone to read for themselves, we have have no idea, objectively, what was said.

I understand. It's merely a vague example.

Tune in to savage sometime soon if you haven't recently.

He`ll provide multiple examples of what I'm talking about in all his furious glory.

 

[Gibberish]

This is the bottom line : They are OUR airwaves, OUR airwaves are dominated by Corp America INC. MY local airwaves (houston texas) are dominated by I-Love-Jesus-And-Dubya Inc (aka Clear Channel). I have absolutely no diverse range of news or political opinion.

As a result no contrary or differing political or social view points manage to make it on the radio, unless of course you consider getting laughed/screamed off the radio by the host as "getting on the radio".

Before the Pres. elections I listened to the major AM talk radio station let a caller go on and on about Hillary smoking crack in the white house and such. About how the kerrys probably wouldnt move into the white house if they won cause they are "too good for it". Do you know what would happen if I called in a suggested the current first lady smokes crack ? I'd be called a bad names and hung up on. Certainly not what this guy got, which was the host of the show laughing along with the caller. This was 5pm-ish mind you, drive time, maximum listener base.

You keep referring back to the radio hosts political stance vs. yours. If you don't like that the radio station badmouths democrats and raises republicans up then don't listen to them.

The FCC regulates that certain speech is not used and that the topic is kept under a collective PG-13 rating. They do not monitor that everyone can share their opinions equally on radio shows. That is up to the host and producers.

 

[Goobieman]

When you petition the fcc they look into the show, decide if rules were broken and take action if that is the case.

Tell us:
When did airing content you dont like in a manner you dont like become a violation of FCC rules?
Nothing in your post alludes to anything that comes close to an FCC violation, and so you have nothing to stand on.

Ya, who knows what I'd do if I was in charge.
Maybe follow some rules.

Like "if you dont say what I like in a manner I like, I will silence you".
How Stalineque.

Insanity !

Yes.
But with counselling, you'll probably get better.

MY local airwaves (houston texas) are dominated by I-Love-Jesus-And-Dubya Inc (aka Clear Channel). I have absolutely no diverse range of news or political opinion.

So?
Its not the govenrment's job to make sure all points of view are represented.

As a result no contrary or differing political or social view points manage to make it on the radio, unless of course you consider getting laughed/screamed off the radio by the host as "getting on the radio".

Again:
Its not the govenrment's job to make sure all points of view are represented.

You want censorship in the name of "fairness", with you being the one determining what's fair.

 

[FallingPianos]

Ok, I use to be a republican, I use to listen to Michael Savage a lot. I probably listened to him for about two years on and off.

The last year or so of this was when I was no longer a republican. I listened to him just to see what insane crap he would say on OUR public air waves.

I put my foot down one day and decided not to listen to him anymore, and haven't since.

1. Why all the yelling and hateful insults ?
2. Why must we constantly hear about your life story ?
3. Why pretend it's a talk show when it's really a "agree with savage" show.

because its entertaining. like jerry springer.

 

[FallingPianos]

btw, I voted yes. I disagree with him on a ton of stuff, but he's articulate.

 

[Jerry]

because its entertaining. like jerry springer.

I wach that show just to boost my ego.
No matter how low I feel, I'm still no where near as low as those folks.........that and to hear the audience chant "Je-rry, Je-rry, Je-rry".

 

[Gibberish]

I wach that show just to boost my ego.
No matter how low I feel, I'm still no where near as low as those folks.........that and to hear the audience chant "Je-rry, Je-rry, Je-rry".

I do hope you guys know those are paid actors on the show, and some in the audience. :2wave:

 

[Jerry]

I do hope you guys know those are paid actors on the show, and some in the audience. :2wave:

Prove it, let's hear the chant.....

 

[doughgirl]

“Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can use the public airwaves to spout off whatever you want. There are terms to their use.”

I realize Howard ”scumbag” Stern has moved from the public regulated airwaves to a liberal satellite radio network, but didn’t he spout off outrageous stuff even while on the public airwaves? Most the time he got away with it too. How many times was his show suspended for obscenity infractions? He has built his career by saying outrageous and sexually explicit things.

Whether you think Savage makes sense or not, he has the right to say whatever he wishes and if you do not like it then change the channel like any show on television.

Was the 1st amendment ever supposed to protect all speech? Especially foul speech and behavior or outrageous views….?

Savage is outrageous but I admire him for several reasons. He does not take sides……..and he equally bashes anyone regardless of party affiliation. I totally agree with him when he says that our countries borders, language and culture are being threatened. He is for protecting America period because America as he puts it is losing its identity and illegal immigration is a monumental problem. He has said that for years. And he sees through the leftist propaganda…..He is probably the most egotistical man I have ever heard but he nevertheless is brilliant as those who have debated him can attest. Most people won't even debate him.
I occasionally listen to him but he is so conceited and melodramatic that sometimes I can only take so much. I agree with Star on this one………he is articulate. He would never kiss up to anyone regardless of who they were. How many high-profile people can say that? Not Larry King and Babawa Walters who ask the "fluff" stuff……..they are kiss-ups and have nothing to say.

Hipsterdufus said, “ I despise Savage and the bigotry he stands for. Whether it's burning Mexican flags, killing 100 million muslims, comparing jimmy Carter to Hitler but I will defend his right to say it.”

Just curious but do you also think it is outrageous for those who hate Bush to compare him to Hitler?