Do you think Judge Alito should be confirmed to the SCOTUS?

[26 X World Champs]

Your comments please

How can anyone have an opinion without having hearings? Isn't it outrageously simple minded to believe you know what the answer is without hearing the man speak for himself and answer questions?

How come you didn't include a reasonable 3rd choice, i.e. UNDECIDED? Is it because you want to have a stilted poll again?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Isn't it ironic that Clinton can nominate far let people like Soutar and Ginsberg because that is his right as the president and when president Bush wants to nominate Conservatives all hell breaks loose...........Again can you say double standard?

Well go ahead try and filbuster Alito.........I dare you to try and Frist will invoke the Constitutional option in a heartbeat............

Go for it!!!!!

NP - First off it's Souter , Second- GHW Bush nominated him. 7 of the 9 SCOTUS Justices are Republican appointees.

Ginsberg sailed through because Clinton worked with the Senate on an acceptable nominee. Sen. Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) is the one who suggested Ginsberg for crying out loud. As I stated earlier, the people that were consulted for Alito were Dobson, Falwell, Reed etc. certainly no one in the Senate.

I thought Frist resigned to run for President - is he still around? :roll:
Frist couldn't pass a fart at a chili convention these days.

 

[26 X World Champs]

There usual suspects in the senate would oppose anyone that President Bush nominated.......

And vica versa so what's your point? That politics play a part in DC? :doh

 

[26 X World Champs]

We need to end public intrusion into private business some time. I refused to hire cripples for my bakery. They don't belong, they'd cost me money. Just meeting that stupid ADA code was a waste of my money. If I don't plan on hiring cripples, there's no reason to build the site to meet the code, is there?

Just when you think a poster cannot be more offensive than his last post we have to read stuff like this.

Your post is offensive and revealing, again. At least you're consistent.

It's nice to know that brave Americans can give up their bodies to preserve our way of life and freedom and then come home to discover that there are Americans who deserve to be treated like our enemy for surely anyone who would write "I refused to hire cripples" is an enemy to the American people and the American way. One need go no further than the using of the word "cripples" to see the outrageousness of this post.

 

[26 X World Champs]

Isn't it ironic that Clinton can nominate far let people like Soutar and Ginsberg because that is his right as the president and when president Bush wants to nominate Conservatives all hell breaks loose...........Again can you say double standard?

FACT CHECK ALARM! Justice Souter was appointed by the Bush Crime Family, not by President Clinton!

I think a retraction is called for, don't you?

 

[Navy Pride]

I say that Presidents, regardless if they're left- or right-wing, should not choose judges on the basis of their own bias. Gonna find issue with that too, Navy?

What a kid that is not even old enough to vote and lives in Australia says does not really count here in the USA....That is the way we do it here whether you approve or not young lady......

 

[vergiss]

What a kid that is not even old enough to vote and lives in Australia says does not really count here in the USA....That is the way we do it here whether you approve or not young lady......

What, so that good ol' American freedom of speech has just died in the arse? :doh Feeling threatened by this kid, maybe?

 

[hipsterdufus]

Well, why don't you make up your mind what the hell it is that you want? A "mainstream conservative nominee" is likely a person that thinks the words in the Constitution have no hidden meanings. The middle of American politics has raped every article and every amendment in the Constitution.

You can't have it both ways. Pick one.

What are you talking about? How about an example ?

You'll have to be specific on the first two, then explain why you think the private citizens owning stock in companies deserve less than equal treatment from the government.

Sure:
1. Alitos's record shows that he is against the privacy of citizens:

against civil rights

In both Bray v. Marriot and Glass v. Philadelphia Electric , Alito was the dissenting opinion in a panel that ruled for the plaintiff in racial discrimination cases. He also wrote the lone dissenting opinion in several sexual harrasment cases. In general, he rarely sides with employess in discrimination suits.

Eroding Civil Rights
As a government lawyer and a federal judge, Judge Alito has consistently failed to protect civil rights. He has said he disagrees with historic Supreme Court decisions articulating the “one person – one vote” principle. As a judge, he has rarely sided with individuals seeking relief from discrimination on the basis of race, age, gender, or disability, and he has opposed efforts to redress the historic effects of discrimination in the workplace. Indeed, in civil rights cases where the Third Circuit was divided, Alito advocated positions detrimental to civil rights 85 percent of the time. He once argued that it was permissible to seat an all-white jury in a case in which the evidence indicated that prosecutors had rejected black jurors on the basis of race. As part of a 1985 application for promotion in the Justice Department, he highlighted his membership in a reactionary Princeton alumni group that opposed the admission of women and attempts by the university to increase minority enrollment.

http://www.savethecourt.org/site/c.mwK0JbNTJrF/b.1322295/k.810D/PreHearing_Report_on_Alito.htm


and for more corporate control of America

Favoring the Powerful over the Powerless
More than his colleagues on the Third Circuit, Judge Alito has sided with corporations and government entities accused of discrimination. Several analyses of his record by academics and the news media indicate that he consistently sides with powerful entities against individuals. He once wrote that high government officials should be absolutely immune from liability in cases involving the illegal wiretapping of U.S. citizens. ( Do you see the NSA connection here?) And he endorses broad powers for law enforcement, once writing a dissent that would have upheld the strip search of a ten-year-old girl who was not named in the search warrant.

http://www.savethecourt.org/site/c.mwK0JbNTJrF/b.1322295/k.810D/PreHearing_Report_on_Alito.htm

Oh, I thought Alito's basis for nomination was revealed when the name "Meyers" popped onto the national stage.

I thought so too until the NSA wiretapping was revealed. Why else would Bush want someone on SCOTUS who thinks the government has unlimited power to spy on it's citizens?

Damn, what are you, a one-man promotion team? Nothing we need more than fewer regulations, all across the board.

Curtailing Congress’ Power to Protect Citizens
Judge Alito has voted to strike down Congressional legislation banning the possession and transfer of machine guns, and legislation requiring that states fully comply with obligations to give their workers unpaid medical leave. He once wrote that it is not the role of the federal government to protect the “health, safety and welfare” of the American people. This ultraconservative ideology would undermine an enormous range of laws Americans rely on, including civil rights protections, health and safety standards in the workplace, regulations protecting air and water quality, food and drug quality standards, the regulation of firearms, and even the Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid programs.

Ah, the standard insane rant about how conservatives want to kill the planet.

Bush has allowed more arsenic in the water, more pollution in the air and more lead in fish while gutting all of the Government programs that provide oversight to the health and safety of Americans.

"In U.S. v. Rybar, Judge Alito dissented from a decision upholding Congress' power under the Commerce Clause to regulate possession of machine guns. Coming after six other federal appeals courts had upheld the same law, his reasoning is extremely troubling. This is not an abstract Constitutional issue; if confirmed, Judge Alito would be ruling on two Clean Water Act cases now pending before the Supreme Court on whether this same Constitutional provision -- the Commerce Clause -- gives Congress the authority to protect any of America's streams and wetlands (US v. Rapanos and US v. Carabell). This same philosophy could also eventually jeopardize all of the environmental laws that protect clean air, clean water, endangered species and more.

"Judge Alito has also ruled (in Public Interest Research Group (PIRG) v. Magnesium Elektron) that the Constitution barred citizens from enforcing the Clean Water Act even against a company that admitted it had been violating the law for years. The Magnesium Elektron decision threatened to effectively put a stop to most Clean Water Act enforcement. Fortunately, the Supreme Court effectively reversed this decision three years later in another case.

http://www.sierraclub.org/pressroom/releases/pr2005-12-20.asp

Why not? We need to end public intrusion into private business some time. I refused to hire cripples for my bakery. They don't belong, they'd cost me money. Just meeting that stupid ADA code was a waste of my money. If I don't plan on hiring cripples, there's no reason to build the site to meet the code, is there?

Your callousness and insensitivity speaks volumes here. Let me guess, you're a Christian, right? :roll:

Damn, this guy is a treasure. I hope they clone him and two or three other fossils on the bench croak between now and 2008. What a wonderful opinion.

Last time I checked, the Constitution doesn't require the president to consult with anyone to name a nominee. The Senate has the job of confirming or rejecting a nominee, they're not allowed to pre-chose the guy.

The Senate's disdain for the Constitution is legendary, (I saw the impeach farce), and the threat of a bunch of them filibustering a nomination would be amusing in this senate election year. The Red Queen Hillary wouldn't have the guts to stay in line with her party, that's for sure.

The Meiers debacle happened because Bush is gutless and a lousy leader.

You're right that the constitution doesn't require. It's just what Bush said he would do. Perhaps he had his fingers crossed.

So. How does one go about restoring the courts and the rest of the United States government to it's constitutional basis unless one reverses so many of the court's past bad decisions? And from what I've seen, he's not an "activist" at all, but someone simply applying the Constitution as it's supposed to be applied.

Judge Alito concluded that a Newark, NJ police department policy, which allowed men to wear beards for medical purposes but did not allow devout Muslim men to wear beards for religious purposes, must be struck down.

Judge Alito is considered by many to be outside the mainstream of American jurisprudence. Out of hundreds of cases, he has been the lone dissenting voice 41 times. In at least six cases, the Supreme Court voted to overturn decisions of the Third Circuit or Alito's dissent in Third Circuit cases. Alito has shown that he will turn back the clock on civil rights progress, worker protections, environmental safeguards, and our health and safety. With the nomination of Alito, all of those rights are now at risk.

http://www.uua.org/news/2005/051212_alito/talking_points.html


Source for Alito Rulings
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2006/alito/cases/

 

[Navy Pride]

Just FYI, Souter was nominated by George H.W. Bush.

My bad, your right it was a bigger Liberal in Bryer.........

Now how about addressing my point that Presidents have always been allowed to nominate people of their political persuasion........

 

[Navy Pride]

What, so that good ol' American freedom of speech has just died in the arse? :doh Feeling threatened by this kid, maybe?

ROTFLMAO......:lol:

 

[26 X World Champs]

What, so that good ol' American freedom of speech has just died in the arse? :doh Feeling threatened by this kid, maybe?

You'll never be able to convince certain community members that free speech is a worldwide right. Hell, for some of them they can't accept it as an American right.

You know you're winning the debate when someone must resort to calling you out for your age, gender and nationality rather than debating the point you were making.

Just know that most Americans respect each other and that the disrespect shown to you is not typical nor is it acceptable as standard operating procedure.

I enjoy your posts and I could care less how old you are or where you live.

 

[vergiss]

ROTFLMAO......:lol:

That's a yes.

 

[TurtleDude]

One of the more fetid lies spewed by the welfare socialists is their caterwauling that Alito sides "with employers" etc. the fact is that usually employers are right in those types of cases-that employees are even able to sue was due to FDR monkeying with the commerce clause to start with. 90% of employment cases are bogus and liberals are under the rather stupid impression that somehow if a judge doesn't vote 50-50 on these cases he is biased against "working people". ALito is clearly qualified-the DEMS GOLD STANDARD-the ABA said so. That should be the end of the inquiry, rather than scum like Schumer whining that this guy is outside the mainstream of the leftward racheted jurisprudence. RBG had neither the experience nor the intellectual reputation and was far far more radical left than alito is right and she was basically unopposed

 

[26 X World Champs]

RBG had neither the experience nor the intellectual reputation and was far far more radical left than alito is right and she was basically unopposed

Because unlike Commrade Bush, President Clinton worked with Sen. Orin Hatch before announcing the appointment thereby insuring that the confirmation would be a smooth one.

As a matter of fact Hatch RECOMMENDED Justice Ginsburg to Clinton to begin the process.

It's a ridiculous comparison to Alito because Commrade Bush never, ever includes anyone in his decision making process which is one giant reason for the amount of acrimony Democrats have for him (among 1000's of reasons) and why he originally picked Harriet Meiers (remember the decision making in choosing her?)

The hearings are this week, then, and only then can anyone really know if he is qualified. I am open minded enough to wait and see what he stands for and how he answers questions. Isn't that the whole point of the hearings?

 

[Kandahar]

My bad, your right it was a bigger Liberal in Bryer.........

Now how about addressing my point that Presidents have always been allowed to nominate people of their political persuasion........

I thought I already did address it... I don't have a problem with it, as long as the judge follows the Constitution.

 

[The Real McCoy]

Judge Alito concluded that a Newark, NJ police department policy, which allowed men to wear beards for medical purposes but did not allow devout Muslim men to wear beards for religious purposes, must be struck down.

Wearing a beard serves a medical purpose?

 

[TurtleDude]

Because unlike Commrade Bush, President Clinton worked with Sen. Orin Hatch before announcing the appointment thereby insuring that the confirmation would be a smooth one.

As a matter of fact Hatch RECOMMENDED Justice Ginsburg to Clinton to begin the process.

It's a ridiculous comparison to Alito because Commrade Bush never, ever includes anyone in his decision making process which is one giant reason for the amount of acrimony Democrats have for him (among 1000's of reasons) and why he originally picked Harriet Meiers (remember the decision making in choosing her?)

The hearings are this week, then, and only then can anyone really know if he is qualified. I am open minded enough to wait and see what he stands for and how he answers questions. Isn't that the whole point of the hearings?

1) the dems had control of the senate at the time and the concept of filibustering a nominee who had more than 50 votes was unheard of at the time.

2) maybe you ought to tell the moonbat elements on your side to wait, they haven't, the hissy fit homosexuals and the feminazis are already against this guy

 

[TurtleDude]

Wearing a beard serves a medical purpose?

there actually is a case on this where blacks in the military complained that some blacks, due to the nature of their facial hair, causes discomfort due to ingrown hairs after shaving

 

[26 X World Champs]

1) the dems had control of the senate at the time and the concept of filibustering a nominee who had more than 50 votes was unheard of at the time.

I think you're again completely missing the point. Clinton conferred with Hatch and got his approval before nominating anyone. It was the way to handle it, it is the true definition of "advise and consent", something that Bush is too damn stupid to understand no less employ. Its just another stark example of why Clinton was a great President and why Bush is one of the very worst, ever.

2) maybe you ought to tell the moonbat elements on your side to wait, they haven't, the hissy fit homosexuals and the feminazis are already against this guy

Writing bigoted posts completely discredits the author of such posts and exposes their ignorance.

 

[The Real McCoy]

Its just another stark example of why Clinton was a great President.

Clinton was a GREAT President? You can't be serious... the only thing good I can think of that came from that guy was NAFTA and Welfare Reform and even then, it took him 3 times until he accepted it.

 

[TurtleDude]

I think you're again completely missing the point. Clinton conferred with Hatch and got his approval before nominating anyone. It was the way to handle it, it is the true definition of "advise and consent", something that Bush is too damn stupid to understand no less employ. Its just another stark example of why Clinton was a great President and why Bush is one of the very worst, ever.

Writing bigoted posts completely discredits the author of such posts and exposes their ignorance.

You missed the point in reality-claiming clinton was a great president when NOT ONE Survey indicates that shows a high level of clinton-monica syndrome in your psyche and there was nothing bigoted in my posts-its an accurate reflextion of those who have opposed Alito so far

 

[TurtleDude]

Clinton was a GREAT President? You can't be serious... the only thing good I can think of that came from that guy was NAFTA and Welfare Reform and even then, it took him 3 times until he accepted it.

the Clinton-Monica crowd want to smear Bush because they hope pushing lots of presidents below the clinton line of mediocrity will somehow cause clinton's stained legacy to rise up in the standings

 

[Deegan]

Of course, this nomination makes the entire failed Bush presidency worth it. All the angry rhetoric, all the smearing of conservatives, all the slanted media coverage, this new court makes it all worth while.

I could not be more pleased, God bless America after all.

Had to repeat myself, just can't help it..............this is where the power is.

 

[alphieb]

I honestly don't know enough about him to say one way or the other. Aside from the fact that he is a republican. I don't always let that influence me. If he is a fair, good, smart individual then I am for him. Although, I would rather have a Democrat, naturally.

 

[26 X World Champs]

You missed the point in reality-claiming clinton was a great president when NOT ONE Survey indicates that shows a high level of clinton-monica syndrome in your psyche

You're diverting from the entire point you were attempting to make! You said that Democrats are opposing the nomination due to partisanship and that Republicans did NOT do that when Ginsburg was confirmed.

I then pointed out correctly that Clinton enlisted the help of the opposition before nominating Ginsburg, i.e. Advice & Consent vs. Bush The Jackal's refusal to even speak to members of his own party before nominating someone (see Harriet Meirs). What about this are you not understanding? Surely you must not be misunderstanding such an obvious difference in the way both Presidents handled the same task?

and there was nothing bigoted in my posts-its an accurate reflextion of those who have opposed Alito so far

Right, you attacked Gays and Women (even calling women "feminazis") and you think that comments like that are not inappropriate at all times? Obviously you approve of terms like 'feminazis" since you used it in all seriousness.

To prevent amnesia let's revisit exactly what you wrote:

Originally Posted by TurtleDude
2) maybe you ought to tell the moonbat elements on your side to wait, they haven't, the hissy fit homosexuals and the feminazis are already against this guy

"Hissy fit homosexuals" is a bigoted slur in my opinion as was the "feminazis" inclusion. You made this brash statement without any sort of backup, you wrote those words to attack Gays and Women by attacking them through the terms

Originally Posted by TurtleDude
hissy fit homosexuals and the feminazis

You wrote it not me. I just found it offensive.