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Do you think it's ok for gays to adopt?

Should gays be allowed to adopt?

  • Yes

    Votes: 52 76.5%
  • No

    Votes: 16 23.5%

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Navy Pride said:
I think it is just common sense..........
No, it isn't. Your "just because I say so"postulation is not related to facts.

Are you saying that the environment a person grows up in does not affect them in any way?
So, NP, would it have been possible for you to grow up in an environment that would have "made" you a homosexual?
 

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Navy Pride said:
I am not saying that everyone is influenced by their environment but it is undeniable that some are........
Proof, please.
 

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The Motorcycle Diaries, 2005
And "The Killing Fields." And several James Bond movies, even. And "Dr. Zivago" <gasp>


You sure its not the mind control beams coming out of your microwave?

Humanist take-over? Get your tin-foil hats everyone...we are going on a Robodoon trip.
They need this:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
 

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jallman said:
Thats what I'm saying, bro. Man, you are always one of the most level headed people around here. I really appreciate your candor and respectfulness of everyone.

Well thank you Jall, I have just been getting so many kind words today, I must be doing something right as of late. I really think it was my time with the family this last week, I just feel so full of love these days, I sure hope it sticks around for awhile, it feels good.;)
 

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steen said:
So, NP, would it have been possible for you to grow up in an environment that would have "made" you a homosexual?

:rofl

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Synch said:
Where's the "let the state decide" option?
Ah, like when CT allows homosexual marriage?

But if we had to, I'd vote no, gays produce morally bankrupt kids, who look up to their parents..
Really? What a fascinating claim. Do you have any evidence for this, or is this just you spewing such homophobic diatribe, misrepresented as a fact in the usual dishonest fundie fashion??

they're not going to be religious...
So?

their paren'ts friends will probably be gay, and not having either a father/mother figure will leave a child impoverished and emotionally incomplete that will leave her lonely for the rest of her life.
Ah, another "just because I say so" fundie falsehood.
 

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Synch said:
common sense?

People tend to be homogenous, being with crowds similar to them, and those who stand out want to fit in, therefore they become the same...
What a lame bunch of insecure losers you must hang out with to get that impression.

the children adopted by the gays have no choice but have gay parents and their friends all being gay,
Sure they do. You are again spewing "just because I say so" falsehoods, misrepresented as facts.

it will be very hard for their heterosexuality to stand when it has not yet fully bloomed, and prematurely collapse under the unbearable pressure emitted by by the people around her and our media.
Damn, yes. Every moment of the day, another weak-minded youngster is seduced and coerced by the gay agenda of subversiveness. It will come for your kids. It is true, they ARE out to get you, and they are coming.... :2rofll: :2funny: :aliens2:
 

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steen said:
Proof, please.

If you don't believe that the environment has anything to do with the way a person is brought up then all I can say is you live in a fantasy world.......
 

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So, NP, would it have been possible for you to grow up in an environment that would have "made" you a homosexual?

I don't know the answer to that..No one does.......

This is getting off topic though........
 

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Do you have any evidence of children who were adopted by gays? Don't think so..
You never checked, did you?

It is always interesting when people spew nonsense that has solidly been proven false long time ago:

Children raised in fatherless families from infancy: family relationships and the socioemotional development of children of lesbian and single heterosexual mothers.
J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 1997 Oct;38(7):783-91.

...The quality of the couples' relationships and the quality of the mother-child interaction did not differ between lesbian mother families and either of the heterosexual family groups. The quality of the interaction between the social mother and the child in lesbian families was superior to that between the father and the child in both groups of heterosexual families. Childrens' own perception of their parents was similar in all family types; the social mother in lesbian families was regarded by the child to be as much a 'parent' as the father in both types of heterosexual families. With regard to their emotional/behavioural development, boys and girls raised in lesbian mother families were well adjusted and their gender role development did not differ from that of children raised in heterosexual families...

Children raised in fatherless families from infancy: a follow-up of children of lesbian and single heterosexual mothers at early adolescence.
J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 2004 Nov;45(8):1407-19.

...CONCLUSIONS: The presence or absence of a father in the home from the outset does appear to have some influence on adolescents' relationships with their mothers. However, being without a resident father from infancy does not seem to have negative consequences for children. In addition, there is no evidence that the sexual orientation of the mother influences parent-child interaction or the socioemotional development of the child.

Children with lesbian parents: A community study.
Developmental Psychology. 2003 Jan Vol 39(1) 20-33

...Thirty-nine lesbian-mother families, 74 two-parent heterosexual families, and 60 families headed by single heterosexual mothers were compared on standardized interview and questionnaire measures administered to mothers, co-mothers/fathers, children, and teachers. Findings are in line with those of earlier investigations showing positive mother-child relationships and well-adjusted children.


The Toronto Lesbian Family Study.
J Homosex. 2000;40(2):65-79.

...All but one child living in two-mother homes identified both mothers as part of their family. Our initial impression is that these are primarily strong families with a variety of parenting skills, stressors and philosophies.

Lesbian motherhood: the impact on child development and family functioning.
J Psychosom Obstet Gynaecol. 1997 Mar;18(1):1-16. Review.

....Although many important research questions have yet to be addressed, the results of all reviewed studies were unanimous; none of the investigations could identify an adverse effect of lesbian motherhood on child development.

Psychosocial adjustment among children conceived via donor insemination by lesbian and heterosexual mothers.
Child Dev. 1998 Apr;69(2):443-57.

...Results showed that children were developing in normal fashion, and that their adjustment was unrelated to structural variables such as parental sexual orientation or the number of parents in the household. These results held true for teacher reports as well as for parent reports....

Lesbian mothers, gay fathers, and their children: a review.
J Dev Behav Pediatr. 2005 Jun;26(3):224-40.

...Findings from research suggest that children with lesbian or gay parents are comparable with children with heterosexual parents on key psychosocial developmental outcomes. In many ways, children of lesbian or gay parents have similar experiences of family life compared with children in heterosexual families...

Adults raised as children in lesbian families.
Am J Orthopsychiatry. 1995 Apr;65(2):203-15

A longitudinal study of 25 young adults from lesbian families and 21 raised by heterosexual single mothers revealed that those raised by lesbian mothers functioned well in adulthood in terms of psychological well-being and of family identity and relationships. The commonly held assumption that lesbian mothers will have lesbian daughters and gay sons was not supported by the findings.

Children in lesbian and single-parent households: psychosexual and psychiatric appraisal.
J Child Psychol Psychiatry. 1983 Oct;24(4):551-72.

...The two groups did not differ in terms of their gender identity, sex role behaviour or sexual orientation. Also, they did not differ on most measures of emotions, behaviour and relationships--although there was some indication of more frequent psychiatric problems in the single-parent group. It was concluded that rearing in a lesbian household per se did not lead to atypical psychosexual development or constitute a psychiatric risk factor

Well, that just about ought to do it. Next time, perhaps you should check out facts before spewing false, hate mongering, homophobic claims?
 

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Deegan said:
I almost wish I were gay, I mean.... with all the attention you guys and gals are receiving as of late.:lol:

Just look at the attention every gay thread gets, it's just so silly when I really consider it, it's been a part of life for as long as life has existed, let's just get on with it shall we.;)

He, he. You can always show your "current mood" as gay, thanks to that new himstramathingie that DP has provided
 

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Just going with the flow.
 

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steen said:
Ah, another "just because I say so" fundie falsehood.
then tell me, why is having a father figure or a mother so important and emphasized in this society of ours?

Sayings like this kid never had a mom or he needs a father, why is that?:roll:
Ah, like when CT allows homosexual marriage?
although I don't support gay marriage, I do support states rights... so I am ambigous on that subject.


Really? What a fascinating claim. Do you have any evidence for this, or is this just you spewing such homophobic diatribe, misrepresented as a fact in the usual dishonest fundie fashion??

Homosexuals make up disproportionally HIV positives in this country.

http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm


less likely to have sex, STDs?

What a lame bunch of insecure losers you must hang out with to get that impression.

we spend millions each year running ads that boost our children's self confidence, organizations that do that. We have couselors teaching our kids to be individual, in school teachers are given guidelines to not hurt his/her students self esteem. Look at China's education system, at an early age the students are divided into three categories, advanced, medium, and poor..

Since adoption usually begans before school....

Sure they do. You are again spewing "just because I say so" falsehoods, misrepresented as facts.

Fact: People wanna fit in.

Fact: Gays will hang out with other gays, because people find others' like themselves... they either do that, or change themselves to fit in.
Fact: Children adopted by gays are too young to find other's like themselves, and will most likely be forced by pressure to fit in.

Damn, yes. Every moment of the day, another weak-minded youngster is seduced and coerced by the gay agenda of subversiveness. It will come for your kids. It is true, they ARE out to get you, and they are coming....

you are correct.

post 162, I'll get back to you on that one.
 
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Synch said:
Fact: Children adopted by gays are too young to find other's like themselves, and will most likely be forced by pressure to fit in.
What you claim as a "fact" is not true. So you are lying. Next time, perhaps you should avoid claiming something a "fact" unless it actually is so. Claiming your subjective beliefs and wishful thinking as facts is very dishonest and disrespectful to everybody else.

Damn, yes. Every moment of the day, another weak-minded youngster is seduced and coerced by the gay agenda of subversiveness. It will come for your kids. It is true, they ARE out to get you, and they are coming....
you are correct..
Oh, I REALLY hope you are kidding. Otherwise, here you are:
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
 

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Captain America said:
It's all Richard Simmon's fault.


For some reason I do not think Richard Simmons missed his prom because he was
obese.
 

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Kelzie said:
Actually science can. The problem is more people don't want to accept the science.
That is a key piece of information missing in my understanding of the world. If sexual orientation has been as clearly identified as gender, I would greatly appreciate a link to sexual orientation's XX-XY equivalent.
 

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Jerry said:
That is a key piece of information missing in my understanding of the world. If sexual orientation has been as clearly identified as gender, I would greatly appreciate a link to sexual orientation's XX-XY equivalent.

It amuses me that the same people who think a sexual attration to people of the same sex is somehow genitic but people who are sexually attracted to little kids suffer a mental disorder.
 

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It amuses me that the same people who think a sexual attration to people of the same sex is somehow genitic but people who are sexually attracted to little kids suffer a mental disorder.
I take it that you come down on the mental disorder side for both?
 

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jamesrage said:
What makes your source non-biased?


Gee, I dunno.....I pulled it off of Yahoo...I believe it came from the AP.....it wasn't an opinion piece. Let's see here.....your first site has some religious drivel, they're against porn, they have a bunch of anti-gay links....yeah, I'd say they're pretty biased.

Your second site thinks that there's something wrong with gays, and that they require therapy to overcome their little problem. I think it's safe to say that they are biased as well.

And your third?

LifeSite.com said:
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Accuracy in content is given high priority. News and information tips from readers are encouraged. Valid corrections are always welcome.


LifeSite emphasizes the social worth of traditional Judeo-Christian principles but is also respectful of all authentic religions and cultures that esteem life, family and universal norms of morality.


LifeSite's writers and founders have come to understand that respect for life and family are endangered by an international conflict. That conflict is between radically opposed views of the worth and dignity of every human life and of family life and community. It has been caused by secularists attempting to eliminate Christian morality and natural law principles which are seen as the primary obstacles to implementing their new world order.


LifeSite understands that abortion, euthanasia, cloning, homosexuality and all other moral, life and family issues are part of the international conflict affecting all nations, even at the most local levels. LifeSite attempts to provide its readers with the most useful and up-to-date information on this conflict.


LifeSite attempts to dispel confusion and ignorance, enable constructive dialogue and help informed decisions to be made and appropriate actions to be taken for the good of all.

Oh no, they just couldn't be biased at all, could they? :roll:
 

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Stace said:
Gee, I dunno.....I pulled it off of Yahoo...I believe it came from the AP.....it wasn't an opinion piece. Let's see here.....your first site has some religious drivel, they're against porn, they have a bunch of anti-gay links....yeah, I'd say they're pretty biased.

Your second site thinks that there's something wrong with gays, and that they require therapy to overcome their little problem. I think it's safe to say that they are biased as well.

And your third?



Oh no, they just couldn't be biased at all, could they? :roll:

You already said my source was biased.What makes your source unbiased?
 

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Jerry said:
That is a key piece of information missing in my understanding of the world. If sexual orientation has been as clearly identified as gender, I would greatly appreciate a link to sexual orientation's XX-XY equivalent.


I provided one a few pages back. It actually deals with the mother's chromosomes possibly affecting her offspring. Good read, I can't really do it justice.
 

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jamesrage said:
You already said my source was biased.What makes your source unbiased?

You're implying that you think it is biased. What is biased about AP? Or Yahoo, for that matter?
 
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