Do you think it's ok for gays to adopt?

[Stace]

http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/apr/04040609.html

Sorry James, my story is more recent than yours. AND from a non biased site.

 

[americanwoman]

Regardless of if they are "born gay" or not they still can't help who they love or want to be with. Who cares if its genetics or not, just except people for who they are. Although I do believe people are born. My cousin is gay and you could tell when he was younger just how he would turn out. Being gay if you are gay is not a choice just as being straight is just what you are. I've had some experiences with women and although it wasn't for me, those women where lovely people and if things were different I could see myself with one.

 

[Blue Collar Joe]

And when the typical dad rapes his daughter as so often happens, then what? We should outlaw parents?

What makes you claim that homosexuals are pedophiles? Are you stupid or something?

You want to debate the topic, fine, we'll debate. You want to insult, fine, I'll lower to your mindset and use simple words. I never claimed that homosexuals were automatically pedos, dumbass. If you'd read the entire post I was responding to Garzas throwing the wild arse assumption that a bad pair of heterosexual parents was normal. This conversation was supposed to be going on the all things being equal premise, not bringing in the far out exceptions, which is exactly what he did.
Read the entire post before getting stuck on one sentence next time.
And, all things being equal, a traditional family is still a better location than the any adoptive home. And yes, adoption should have rules and guidelines that attempt to place them in as close to a traditional family as possible.

 

[steen]

Religious fantatics do not 'toss out science'. They seem satisified with their origins without need of science. Faith, y0.

A false claim, as creationists and ID nuts deliberatelky ans specifically attack science.

They rarely make up new crap. I cannot imagine a satisfactory reply to 'call is science'.

ID is a made-up falsehood by that crowd.

 

[steen]

You want to debate the topic, fine, we'll debate.

Good.

You want to insult, fine, I'll lower to your mindset and use simple words. I never claimed that homosexuals were automatically pedos, dumbass.

You drew that analogy, moron. YOU are the one who is insulting by that remark, I merely gave back.

If you'd read the entire post I was responding to Garzas throwing the wild arse assumption that a bad pair of heterosexual parents was normal.

Really? Garza said that? Not anywhere that I read.

This conversation was supposed to be going on the all things being equal premise, not bringing in the far out exceptions, which is exactly what he did.

Not particularly. When you make unwarranted generalizations, you should expect to have these challenged where they do not apply.

Read the entire post before getting stuck on one sentence next time.
And, all things being equal, a traditional family is still a better location than the any adoptive home.

Not if the "traditional" family is abusive or neglectful. But the question here is, of course, about what should happen once adoption becomes an isue. SO your argument is a red herring.

And yes, adoption should have rules and guidelines that attempt to place them in as close to a traditional family as possible.

Why? It should place them in an as supportive as possible family.

 

[shuamort]

Moderator's Warning:

It's getting a little ugly in here with the name calling. Let's tone down the rhetoric and get back on topic. Thanks!

 

[doughgirl]

Jfuh said, “How many homosexuals parents were homosexual? Pathetic argument.”

So you do not think that parents lifestyle influences or affects the child in any way? Yes right....

(http://www.puberty101.com/aacap_alcoholc.shtml) and (http://adam.about.com/reports/000056_2.htm)

I don’t think we have had enough studies done to show what really happens to children and what the affects are on them.

I still believe homosexuality can and is in many circumstances a learned preference.

Studies prove that homosexuals themselves often switch their own sexuality. In their 1970 report, the Kinsey Institute noted that 84% of gays shifted or changed their sexual orientation at least once. Further, 32% of gays shifted or changed three times and 13% 5 changes. (A.P. Bell, M.S. Weinberg, and S.K. Hammersmith, Sexual Preference, p.261) Secular source.

Schwartz and Masters (of the 1984 Masters and Johnson Report) revealed a 79.9 % success rate of homosexuals changing their sexual orientation to heterosexuality. Their six year follow up rate was a highly impressive 71.6. This is a secular source.

(Cohen, Perpetuating Homosexual Myths, p.9)



The Homosexualities:Fantasy, Reality and the Arts (1990) and The Homosexualities and the Therapeutic Process (1991) Describing these two books that he edited, Dr. Socarides observed, “These two books contain the work of over 30 psychoanalysts-eminent teachers and psychoanalysts and medical men throughout the country-and all attest to the fact that homosexuality is a psychopathological condition that can be altered if someone knows how to alter it.” (Dr. Charles Socarides taped interview for the “John Ankerberg show”


So don’t tell me that homosexuality in many instances is a behavior that can’t be changed.

 

[MSgt]

I'm not sure that an accurate comparison between gender and homosexuality can yet be made. Aside from the fact that homosexual people were never denied the right to vote or forced to ware burqas, science can clearly define and identify the source of gender; science can not clearly define and identify the source of sexualorientation.

This is relevant because many contend that homosexuality is a Psycosexual/Gender Identity disorder. Gender is clearly not a disorder of any kind.

Until science can definitively answer the caws and origin of sexual orientation, I doubt that the issue of addoption, or even gay-marriage, will be resolved with any degree of universality or absolution.

The point was that "change" is never welcomed with open arms, but inevitably, "change" happens. It is progress. It is very comparible. Women were denied their equality, thus preventing us our full potential as a civilization. With the rising numbers of outed gays and their acceptance to our civilization, not tapping into this resource as a source for good homes for orphan children stagnates us. It stalls us from further potential.

Science has nothing to do with this. The prevention of gays as adoptive parents is purely based on emotion rather than logic. While detesting the "Global Left" I do wish to point out that our most Conservative element is always the quickest to stagnate progress. It is an historical fact throughout history in all civilizations. The most perverse stagnation in the world today is the world of Islam. The Radical Islamists are the Conservative element of that civilization.

 

[Navy Pride]

I don't know how anyone can deny that the invironment one grows up in could affect their sexuality.......

 

[Stace]

I don't know how anyone can deny that the invironment one grows up in could affect their sexuality.......

Uh....yes you can deny that. I certainly didn't think about my parents' sex life, and I never thought about my own sexuality.....I've always been largely attracted to males, it's just not something most people actually think about. Your brain and your body know who and what you're attracted to without outside input, except in the case of homosexuals. Since so many people still attach a stigma to homosexuality, many gays try to repress their natural feelings. That is the only way I see one's environment playing a part in sexuality. Sorry, but I'm taking the nature side over nurture on this one.

 

[Captain America]

I wish I could find two lesbians to adopt me.:3oops:

 

[shuamort]

I don't know how anyone can deny that the invironment one grows up in could affect their sexuality.......

The vast majority of gay folks I know, myself included, grew up in a "straight environment". My parents were, and are still, straight. My sexuality was obviously then not influenced my environment and I'm not an anomaly when it comes to that.

 

[Navy Pride]

The vast majority of gay folks I know, myself included, grew up in a "straight environment". My parents were, and are still, straight. My sexuality was obviously then not influenced my environment and I'm not an anomaly when it comes to that.

I am not saying that everyone is influenced by their environment but it is undeniable that some are........

 

[americanwoman]

I wish I could find two lesbians to adopt me.:3oops:

Isn't funny how straight guys love lesbians but think 2 gay guys is sick? Whats up with that, it's the same thing! Straight girls don't get turned on by 2 guys -atleast none that I know.

 

[Navy Pride]

Isn't funny how straight guys love lesbians but think 2 gay guys is sick? Whats up with that, it's the same thing! Straight girls don't get turned on by 2 guys -atleast none that I know.

American Woman by your own words its not the same.............I doubt if there are many straight women that get turned on by watching two guys get it on.........

 

[americanwoman]

I am not saying that everyone is influenced by their environment but it is undeniable that some are........

proof please if it is undeniable.

 

[jallman]

Stand back "Jallman."

Should gays be excluded from adopting? Indulge me to make a comparison with a logical and less emotioned answer.....

:shock: Damn Gunny...I dont know what to say...I am...almost twitterpaited. :rofl

 

[Naughty Nurse]

proof please if it is undeniable.

Ah, I expect NP has a friend who grew up within a half-mile of a gay man and turned out to be guy himself, and that'll be "proof" :roll:

 

[Navy Pride]

proof please if it is undeniable.

I think it is just common sense..........Are you saying that the environment a person grows up in does not affect them in any way?

 

[jfuh]

Isn't funny how straight guys love lesbians but think 2 gay guys is sick? Whats up with that, it's the same thing! Straight girls don't get turned on by 2 guys -atleast none that I know.

When I took human sexuality back in college I was surprised, but not quite surprised that biologically 65% of women are bisexual.
That's not surprising since in most animal groups there is one alpha male and several females.
It's surprising that my goodness, 65%!

 

[americanwoman]

I think it is just common sense..........Are you saying that the environment a person grows up in does not affect them in any way?

Of course it affects you but just being brought up by two people of the same sex wouldn't cause you to be gay, abnormal, or psycho.

 

[jfuh]

I think it is just common sense..........Are you saying that the environment a person grows up in does not affect them in any way?

Not sexual oreientation

 

[Naughty Nurse]

I don't know how anyone can deny that the invironment one grows up in could affect their sexuality.......

Because if sexuality was so easily influence, none of us would be gay!

 

[doughgirl]

Steen said, “But they have been killed and persecuted in a major fashion.”

How many? Could you site statistics that say that masses of gays have been killed and are being killed today?

This is bullcrap. Today being gay is glamorized in both movies and television…on ABC, NBC, CBS, cable channels, the print media. If an event involves abortion or homosexuality, the news will be slanted in a pro-abortion and pro-homosexuality direction.

Television and the movies are used to promote antimoral, anti-
god books or causes. Very few Christian authors or recording artists are interviewed on television. The mindless chatter can be heard on talk shows and the overwhelming number of guests are amoral in their beliefs and personal lives.

The majority of shows today are filled with a liberal slant….and the person holding a pro-moral position is often attacked or ridiculed. Humanists see television and radio and the movies as a vehicle-first to indoctrinate and second to make money. You could write a library full of books on how Hollywood has devastated morals in the past half century. The industry tries to defend their exaltation of infidelity, homosexuality, violence and corruption by suggesting they are just giving the public what they want. Yea right.

When was the last time you saw a movie out of Hollywood that showed communism as a world aggressor and a mass murderer? No the films today produced by the “ left” just show the seamy side of America. The America that isn’t tolerant………..the America who should be blamed for all the worlds problems.

You say homosexuals are bashed and looked at today in a bad light…………you are so wrong. The humanists are in control of America. And in my opinion they are leading us towards the chaos of the French Revolution. They are determined to turn America into an amoral socialist state like China or Cuba.
Television is the most powerful vehicle available for controlling the minds of a generation. Scientists tell us that we remember 60% of what we see and only 10% of what we hear. And because television and the movies combine these primary entries to the mind, they become principal targets for a humanist takeover.

You are wrong Steen,….Television, radio, the movies are predominately controlled by secularists. Mediums that once featured family oriented programming and observed discretionary moral standards now makes jokes about such things and instead PROMOTES homosexuality, wife swapping and depravity.

A truly free medium would equally be represented by both liberal and conservative points of view. But 99% of the news we get comes with a liberal slant.

Homosexuality shown in a bad light? No way. Gays being killed all over the country? That is laughable.


Gays are ALL OVER TELEVISION AND THE MOVIES and they are not shown in a negative light.

 

[Navy Pride]

When I took human sexuality back in college I was surprised, but not quite surprised that biologically 65% of women are bisexual.
That's not surprising since in most animal groups there is one alpha male and several females.
It's surprising that my goodness, 65%!

I do think more women then men are bisexual but I doubt if it is anywhere near 65 percent...........I don't know how they could ever come up with that figure anyhow I don't care if it was in a sexuality class..........