Capitalism as it has ever actually existed has always been in bed with the state. This was true before Keynes was even born.
Dude, any sort of regulation of commerce is Socialism. If you don't believe it, just go ask the right wing whack-o-loons.
70% also have an I.Q. below 120 and likely cannot comprehend the big picture.
Sorry about renaming you. But stereotypes do exist and not just in my own head though you may enjoy attempting to condescend to me.
"Asians are good at math" is an example which shoots down what you said. Its an existing stereotype that everyone knows. Another one is "Muslims are terrorists".
It is not an opinion bodhi, though you would of course attempt to disprove that stereotypically homogenized white americans in many regions of the country are somewhat anti-muslim. Luckily you don't seem to have experienced it yet. Nice for you.
I just did a huge thought provoking repsonse to you, and Internet Explorer shut down on me, so this one will be more concise.
Of course they are exploiting the hell out of the apathy of the people.
If Australia was terrorist and they supported terrorists that attacked Chinese citizens, China itself or Chinese interests around the world and then China responded with force, and as a result they set up a friendly system of government that supported peace and security and trade, then I would have no problem with it at all. The USA did not use force to "spread democracy" though... they used force to "spread stability" to a violent and oppressive region that was using terror to terrorize too.
Indoctrination? Examples please...
Greater emphasis could be put on the importance of politics, I agree. The rest is already kinda what we have here, to a degree.
myself/MZ said:I dont entirely agree. I believe the best of this system must be used, and communism/socialism be added to it. I believe in no individual represeting power, nor do I believe in political careers. I think I would prefer a solid political education in primary school, and drafting of people into political institutions instead of elections. I believe ina one party system where everyone is made into voting independent, and I believe in peoples power in form of established areas of politics where people decide by referendum. I also believe in elder councils(old people always knows best, we have to listen to them), I also believe power should be split up between local, regional, national/state and federal/national levels, with a balance of power that is equal. Furthermore I dont believe in election of law enforcement(judges, sherrifs and so fourth). I also believe in surveilance of leadership, police, military and so fourth as oppose to surveilance of the people.
We have major elements of Socialism already in the USA, have had so for 70 years.
Sorry about renaming you. But stereotypes do exist and not just in my own head though you may enjoy attempting to condescend to me.
"Asians are good at math" is an example which shoots down what you said. Its an existing stereotype that everyone knows. Another one is "Muslims are terrorists".
It is not an opinion bodhi, though you would of course attempt to disprove that stereotypically homogenized white americans in many regions of the country are somewhat anti-muslim. Luckily you don't seem to have experienced it yet. Nice for you.
In a perfect or even good system this would not be possible.
Forget terrorists.
Lets say for theory that China comes up with a new concept. That Australia for example is by them seen as a threat to communism because they support the "terrorist" people in Tibet. Or any excuse that seems just in Chinese eyes and unjust in other eyes. Then you see a Chinese invasion of Australia as justified and legal? And the result being the spread of communism(the superior model in Chinese eyes, and the removal of the "insane" democratic leadership regime)... Would you find that OK? (if you dont they you are hipocrite for finding US actions ok)
The things we learn in school for example.. It isnt just facts, there are loads of strange political indoctrination made into it. Example for the US, the whole allegiance and nationalism, surrounding the flag, the anthem and the nation.
Example the west, where all education mentions exclusively democracy as the right model, and have no look into alternatives, except negative short looks.
Thats just two tiny examples. We dont choose what to believe, we are made to believe. We can break free from it, but it certainly takes a lot.
Another good word besides stereotypes is hypocrits. I think that everyone would be calling Americans terrorists after atom bombs. Japs attack our militairy. We take out their citizens. And on the other side of the spectrum, chagrined civilians attack us and we use our war militairy and now end up killing normal citizens in the mix.
Look, China supported N. Korea in the past, we did not invade China as much as MacArthur wanted to. The Soviets supported Vietnam and Nicaragua and Cuba, and we did not invade the USSR. The USA supported the Afghans and the USSR did not invade the USA. If anything, China attacked US troops in Korea without provocation, so your analogy doesn't work.
I teach. I teach Government.
Secondly, it doesn't matter if those that attacked us were military or not, that is ridiculous, and we took the fight to them. If you get your sister to throw rocks at my kids and then come over and punch me for standing on your neighbors lawn and then I come up to your house to fight you, and you try to sucker punch me and then jump behind your little brother as I punch back, and I hit him... whose fault is it really? Get real with your revisionist crap already. It is amazing how many of you guys just really don't get it at all.
:olishes monacle::
Well, you certainly don't teach history. I know from high school that MacArthur was not supposed to cross into china, they issued a warning that they would attack if their territory was passed onto and MacArthur did exactly that. They were directly provoked into attacking. China was defending its territory and was certainly provoked by the general named above.
Also since when do the standards of the enemy set the morality by which our american forces operate. (Unless you count establishing a useless torture camp in cuba.) We certainly weren't firebombing Japanese civilians for Chinese civilians vengeance.
Well we certainly don't get that paragraph.
Who said anything about the enemy setting the morals? We didn't do it because they OK'd it or because they did it first, we did it because we thought that it would work, but that does not negate the fact that it was a Japanese policy first.
If you get your sister to throw rocks at my kids and then come over and punch me for standing on your neighbors lawn and then I come up to your house to fight you, and you try to sucker punch me and then jump behind your little brother as I punch back, and I hit him... whose fault is it really?
As I remember the provocation that caused the United States and UN to lose all of its progress past the 38th parallel was MacArthur crossing the Yalu river. Then the US threatened to nuke the north and china once they were pushed back back to the 38th parallel and the war stopped there.
How does that address what I said about the morals of our enemies affecting ours? Since when do their morals affect how we conduct our wars? Japan did it first so they are the naughty ones and we did it second so its not as bad?
and once again... What?
And monocles are cool. Didn't you know?
The United States and the United Nations intervened on the side of the South. After a rapid UN counteroffensive that repelled North Koreans past the 38th Parallel and almost to the Yalu River, the People's Republic of China (PRC) came to the aid of the North
Korean War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Here the North Koreans fled across the Yalu River into China. General MacArthur promised to President Truman that the fighting would cease by November, and that if he pursued the North Koreans, China would not interfere. He was wrong. On October 16th, 1950 approximately 300,000 Chinese troops began to cross the Yalu River.
Disaster at the Yalu River
MacArthur’s crossing of the 38th parallel troubled the Soviet Union and Communist China, especially considering that Truman had entered the war vowing to restore peace and the status quo—not to conquer the entire peninsula. China therefore warned the United States not to approach the Chinese–North Korean border at the Yalu River. However, MacArthur ignored the warning and pursued the North Koreans farther up the peninsula. Interpreting this move as an act of war, the Chinese sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers across the Yalu to meet MacArthur’s men in North Korea. Overwhelmed, MacArthur and his forces retreated back to the 38th parallel.
I see that you really want your analogy to work so that I would be a hypocrite, but your analogy is flawed. I have explained this twice already.
Would you find is okay if China attacked Australia, Canada, or any other country to "spread communism(the right model IN THEIR VIEW) and stop the democratic terrorism and oppressive regimes, and extremist right wing leader".
I teach. I teach Government. What we teach about government is all of the major systems. Totalitarianism, Democracy, Republic, Monarchy, Oligarchy, etc and we also teach the different economic spectrums with advantages and disavantages of each. We don't teach one as right and the others as wrong. Sorry you didn't realize this.
We don't teach anything about the flag other than perhaps why there are 50 stars and 13 stripes.
We teach what Nationalism is, but not that it is good or bad...
Take a look at the curriculum and see for yourself...
You never answered the original question.
All the way from childhood through media and whatever in adulthood, communism is always showed with "scary soviet union" and other scary images, its always diplayed in a negative way. So is all the other in various degree, exept democracy which is being indoctrinated into us as being the "right" model, what we should all go for, the only model with no alternative, and always nice pictures of it.
I beg to differ, love for the flag is indoctrinated into the US population. There isnt anything similar even in Norway, which is a quite nationalist country.
If nationalism isnt indoctrinated into the population, how come it is so present in the US psyche then?
Curriculum yes, the reality is different. Generations of nationalism without objection breeds further nationalism.
There is obviously some contention around the fact that MacArthur crossed the yalu river, it was possibly one of the most idiotic actions taken by any man in the 20th century, and probably one of the most embarrassing moments in american history. I remember my history lesson quite clearly. You're probably not likely to find sources on it except for in a textbook. It would require some deal of research to find the proper book, we had british books in high school
Here the North Koreans fled across the Yalu River into China. General MacArthur promised to President Truman that the fighting would cease by November, and that if he pursued the North Koreans, China would not interfere. He was wrong. On October 16th, 1950 approximately 300,000 Chinese troops began to cross the Yalu River.
The Korean War:
I don't blame you, this source would barely imply that he pursued the North Koreans across the river.
SparkNotes: The Cold War (1945?1963): The Korean War: 1950?1953
Still not clear from this one. They say "Further up the peninsula". I suspect a massive conspiracy to rewrite history.:rofl
Anyways, he crossed the river and when they got back to the 38th parallel, they threatened to nuke and the chinese and North Koreans took it to heart apparently and the war stopped.
I have half the mind to ask these folks:
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Hopefully my memory is not betraying me.
You just said that Norway is nationalistic. What point are you trying to make, that American Nationalism is bad but all other countries it is OK? WTF is your deal man. Holy ****ing ****! :lol:
As a percentage of the federal budget it has not.Interesting point is that the US defense budget has risen 100% the past decade. Even without the Iraq and Afghanistan warfare costs included.
This is the sort of crap that makes me dislike some libertarians around here, and it's a stain on those mostly conservative libertarians that I respect.An incomplete list of tendencies in the U.S. which could also be found in Nazi Germany. Quick and offhand. Obviously many of these overlap. For the most part these are not quite as strong in the U.S., but in a crisis situation they could become much stronger to the point that what few civil liberties have been gained would be suspended indefinitely. Anyone who believes that a state-sponsored genocide could not happen again is extremely naive.
1. Militarism
2. "National security state"
3. Police statism
4. Unilateralism
5. Anti-intellectualism
6. Corporatism
7. Right-wing Authoritarianism; "Fear-based" politics
8. Ultra-nationalism
9. Nativism/Xenophobia/Scapegoating
10. Racist pseudoscience; advocacy of state-sponsored eugenics (e.g. Bell Curve, American Renaissance, CCC, Human Biodiversity Institute)
11. Dumbed-down "faith based" politics (compare to "Positive Christianity")
12. Sexual repression/hysteria
13. Political Correctness (though supposedly of the "left" will be used by the authoritarian right when it suits their purposes)
As a percentage of the federal budget it has not.
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