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Do you know your Bill of Rights?

Maybe it is time to start a thread laying out what the Constitution gave the Federal government control and if it is not listed in what the Constitution specifically laid out for the Federal government then it became the responsibility of the states. A thread like that would expose just how far the Federal government has overstepped their authority and also expose the States that have done a poor job of what they are constitutionally responsible.
 
vesper said:
Maybe it is time to start a thread laying out what the Constitution gave the Federal government control and if it is not listed in what the Constitution specifically laid out for the Federal government then it became the responsibility of the states. A thread like that would expose just how far the Federal government has overstepped their authority and also expose the States that have done a poor job of what they are constitutionally responsible.
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A government needs the right to govern.
 
vesper said:
Maybe it is time to start a thread laying out what the Constitution gave the Federal government control and if it is not listed in what the Constitution specifically laid out for the Federal government then it became the responsibility of the states. A thread like that would expose just how far the Federal government has overstepped their authority and also expose the States that have done a poor job of what they are constitutionally responsible.
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Do you have any particular Government function in mind?
 
vesper said:
Maybe it is time to start a thread laying out what the Constitution gave the Federal government control and if it is not listed in what the Constitution specifically laid out for the Federal government then it became the responsibility of the states. A thread like that would expose just how far the Federal government has overstepped their authority and also expose the States that have done a poor job of what they are constitutionally responsible.
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Close. If it is not a power specifically granted to the federal government, OR a power specifically prohibited by the US Constitution from being exercised by the States, then that power belongs exclusively to the States, and/or the people, respectively.

Article I, Sections 9 and 10 of the US Constitution includes a lot of prohibited powers that the States may not exercise.
 
Cordelier said:
Do you have any particular Government function in mind?
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There are several.

Federal programs that violate the Tenth Amendment include the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. Then there are the unconstitutional independent federal agencies, like NASA, the NSF, and the SSA (all social spending really). The federal government has no constitutional authority to spend a single taxpayer penny on any social program. That is the exclusive power of the States.
 
Glitch said:
There are several.

Federal programs that violate the Tenth Amendment include the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. Then there are the unconstitutional independent federal agencies, like NASA, the NSF, and the SSA (all social spending really). The federal government has no constitutional authority to spend a single taxpayer penny on any social program. That is the exclusive power of the States.
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So those in need of welfare support get only the assistance that their state allows ?

THAT inequality alone allows the federal government to interpret the Constitution however it needs to in order to be the government of ALL the people, irrespective of whichever state they live in.
 
Glitch said:
There are several.

Federal programs that violate the Tenth Amendment include the Department of Education and the Department of Energy. Then there are the unconstitutional independent federal agencies, like NASA, the NSF, and the SSA (all social spending really). The federal government has no constitutional authority to spend a single taxpayer penny on any social program. That is the exclusive power of the States.
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General welfare covers a lot of territory. US v. Butler and all of that.
 
Cordelier said:
The trouble with most far-right Republicans is that they've never gotten over losing the 1936 election... so they pretend it never happened and that the issues haven't been decided.
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Why the 1936 election ?
 
Cordelier said:
That was the last time Social Security was a realistic issue. Plus, look at everything they stand for... isolationism, nativism, "America first". It's like they're all stuck in 1936
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The Republican party is founded on two pillars of Nationalism and Racism.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes they do.

If you break society's rules, government has the right to punish you.
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I cannot help it if you don't understand what a right is, or what a governmental power is
 
TurtleDude said:
I cannot help it if you don't understand what a right is, or what a governmental power is
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A gangster may have the power to take money from you

A government's power (in a constitutional government anyways) has the authority to do so

So a legal power = a right.
 
Rich2018 said:
A gangster may have the power to take money from you

A government's power (in a constitutional government anyways) has the authority to do so

So a legal power = a right.
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Not in the context that we are discussing.
 
Rich2018 said:
Yes, power and authority are well known political terms and are very much applicable when discussing rights.
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governmental power is limited by the rights of the citizens
 
TurtleDude said:
governmental power is limited by the rights of the citizens
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It's more accurate to say that the government is limited by the Constitution - though as discussed, these limits have been liberally interpreted in order so the federal government can actually govern the country it was elected to govern.
 
TurtleDude said:
governmental power is limited by the rights of the citizens
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Governmental power is used to ensure the rights of citizens. You can't have rights without the power to enforce those rights.
 
devildavid said:
Governmental power is used to ensure the rights of citizens. You can't have rights without the power to enforce those rights.
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to some extent true but that power might not necessarily be governmental.
 
TurtleDude said:
governments do not have rights. People do. governments have the powers delegated to them
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I would say at this way as well: Rights do not come top down, they go from bottom to top. All that our constitution can do at best, is guarantee the natural rights we already had anyway. "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of PROPERTY" as John Locke said it originally. The things which a correct government should morally stand to protect for each individual citizen.
 
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Court Jester said:
I would say at this way as well: Rights do not come top down, they go from bottom to top. All that our constitution can do at best, is guarantee the natural rights we already h had anyway. "Life, a, and the pursuit of PROPERTY" as John Locke said it originally. The things which a correct government should morally stand to protect for each individual citizen.
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many lefties seem to think that you don't have any rights unless the government gives them to you. They pretend that a government is endowed with every possible power imaginable from the second the government is created
 
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