ocean515
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What "hyperbole?" Not sure where "put her child in harms way" unless you think being drunk does that, but what relevancy is that? I see NO attempt to "fight" the police officer. Why not just say then she "attempted to murder a police officer who was desperately trying to save the child's life and own against a deadly pscyhotic killer?"
She did not "fight" the officer and whether she had endangered her child is irrelevant. He didn't pull a gun, he threw her into concrete.
Lots, including a couple of weapons. I'm not a stranger to real life scenarios either. Squeamish indeed. What's the point here...? I'm not terribly interested in your pissing contest.
You do not take someone down with the intent of a safe arrest by flinging their head into concrete without attempting to have any control over their fall. Unless you're trying to kill them, I suppose. That is just nonsense. Especially given that she's barely even resisting to begin with, and certainly not fighting. As I said, I'm smaller than her and I could have gotten her into handcuffs while upright no problem. Like is mentioned above, just pull her arm up behind her. Problem solved. She's barely standing, much less capable of fighting in any coherent way. If you think so, update your eye prescription, or just take your psychologically blinding bias to someone who cares to waste their time.
The video shows interviews of customers in the salon saying she was acting strangely after entering the shop, and making people I guess, uncomfortable. The cop says to here there have been a bunch of phone calls to the police about her, and he asks her what is going on.
As she creates all this chaos, what do you think her kid is doing? Do you think her kid is looking out for cars in the parking lot, or any other dangers a 6 year old is likely not paying much attention to while the kids mother rages on? Why are you ignoring that fact?
Why deny hyperbole when you double down on it with your attempt at equivalence?
I don't know what video you watched, or even if you watched it, but the fact she started fighting and resisting is well documented by both the video, and witnesses.
Again, I doubt the cop tried to knock her out, but I don't know that for fact, it's just an assumption, like most of what you have been saying.
The rules and policies of the PD are in place. Your feelings about them matter precisely dick.
Police dont 'work for the citizens'.
The video shows interviews of customers in the salon saying she was acting strangely after entering the shop, and making people I guess, uncomfortable. The cop says to here there have been a bunch of phone calls to the police about her, and he asks her what is going on.
As she creates all this chaos, what do you think her kid is doing? Do you think her kid is looking out for cars in the parking lot, or any other dangers a 6 year old is likely not paying much attention to while the kids mother rages on? Why are you ignoring that fact?
Why deny hyperbole when you double down on it with your attempt at equivalence?
I don't know what video you watched, or even if you watched it, but the fact she started fighting and resisting is well documented by both the video, and witnesses.
Again, I doubt the cop tried to knock her out, but I don't know that for fact, it's just an assumption, like most of what you have been saying.
She put her child in danger by taking the child out in public while drunk. Sorry. That is bad parenting 101
The rules and policies of the PD are in place. Your feelings about them matter precisely dick.
Police dont 'work for the citizens'.
That's cute. Try that line of rhetoric next time a cop pulls you over. Especially the "I pay your salary...you work for me" schtick. The cop will think it's a hoot. Promise.
I do not deny the probability of danger, just saying it looks like the intention was to ensure an arrest. If he *wanted* to hurt her there are dozens of take-downs expressly designed to use the force of the fall against the opponent. As a grappler, you should know that.
That was not "a take down" (nor was a "take down" necessary). That was an "I'm tired of messing with this drunk bitch!" throw down.
Does anyone question that I could find videos of people being killed by being thrown down on concrete or knocked down with their head hitting concrete? Quite a few of those have been posted on the forum in the past. His action was a known potentially lethal action.
She escalated to "active resistance" in the use of force continuum. That allows for physical control and soft empty hand OR hard. It is about the middle. This drunk driving, child neglecting moron put herself in that spot. She resisted. He did what was allowed and there was an unintended consequence.
To call what that officer did "grappling" shows you have NO clue what grappling is.
You Re forgetting that there were reports of her driving erratically, and they found her car with keys in the ignition.
Don't know what her kid was doing, but I do understand you believe that police should beat up women who are neglecting their kid.
She did not start fighting and was not resisting in any significant way. I do understand some on the forum do have the opinion that if a person resists any police officer in anyway that is basis to beat the person to death as punishment for that resistance.
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Thank you for the rational, relevant and thoughtful reply.
Why she was being arrested has no relevancy to the issue of whether throwing her down onto concrete with no way for her to protect her head nor the officer showing any concerns for potential injury. Accordingly, many are claiming that his doing so was a just PUNISHMENT, rather than a necessity for make the arrest.
Disagreeing is not resisting. Throwing her down on concrete in that manner was entirely unnecessary to make the arrest and to cuff her. "Resisting" does not justify assault beyond the minimum necessary to make the arrest.
In fact, there have been literally innocent people including such as doing nothing but just sitting there beaten and crushed to death while being tasered in the face by 5 officers - for which many on the forum claimed this was justified because he had "resisted." "Resisting" is not license to kill, even for police.
Grabbing someone without permission is technically an assault. THEREFORE, in your theory ANY man could have legally thrown that woman into the concrete like that merely for her grabbing his arm without permission. But, in fact, that man would be arrested for felony assault.
A woman angrily grabs at you? Just slam her head into concrete and call it "grappling her in self defense against assault." Not a chance in hell that would fly with the police. But it would if the man is police. ONLY if he is police.
If an officer grabs someone without stating they are being arrested, then that person also could - if possible to do - legally throw that officer's head into concrete like that too, but also that person would be charged with felony assault on a police officer.
Police groupies have the opinion that being a police officer makes that person exempt from criminal laws and that police have 100,000 times more authority to assault people and act in self defense than non-police citizens do.
Would you handle this citizen the same way if you were a cop Texas Officer Slams Allegedly Drunk Woman To The Ground, Knocking Her Out
Don't know what her kid was doing, but I do understand you believe that police should beat up women who are neglecting their kid.
She did not start fighting and was not resisting in any significant way. I do understand some on the forum do have the opinion that if a person resists any police officer in anyway that is basis to beat the person to death as punishment for that resistance.
you apparently have missed your calling
you should be out on the streets patrolling in a car
or at least teaching cops how to react to everything....right?
i mean...you sound like a big expert
where did you get your training?
local? state? feds? military?
how many drunk women have you had run ins with?
please tell us exactly where all this knowledge and expertise comes from
Given how the cop was unable to not manhandle a 70lb drunk and restrained woman, I can see how some can get defensive in his defense.
Given how the cop was unable to not manhandle a 70lb drunk and restrained woman, I can see how some can get defensive in his defense.
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