Do You Blame Israel For The Combat? (1 Viewer)

[alphieb]

Is the war in the middle east involving Israel warrented?

 

[Donkey1499]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

Sure, it's about time Israel stops allowing itself to have its nose rubbed in camel excrement. They are defending their freedoms against Islamo-Fascists. What's wrong with that?

 

[cherokee]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

Is the war in the middle east involving Israel warrented?

I have no problem with the why/manner they (Israel) are fighting this war that was started by the Hamas and Hezblooa.

 

[alphieb]

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I actually saw where someone posted "should we assist Israel" HA!!!!!!!! They don't need our help. Just ask Egypt.

 

[Donkey1499]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

Do you think that Israel is also getting punished because of the whole Gaza pull out? It looks like Gaza will be an Israeli territory again eventually.

 

[alphieb]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

Do you think that Israel is also getting punished because of the whole Gaza pull out? It looks like Gaza will be an Israeli territory again eventually.

I think those bullies in the middle east need to stop jacking with Israel. There bark is much worse than there bite and it is vice versa with Israel......thanks to our military equipment.:2razz:

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

I do not blame Israel for the current Middle East combat. Considering that both the Palestinian and Hezbollah attacks were unprovoked, especially with Israel's current stance towards the Palestinians (withdrawl from Gaza) and Lebanon (non-involvement since the 200 pullout), this was a foolish move, especially since Israel can kick the collective Arab's butts. The only logical explanation I can come up with for these terror attacks is a rather poor attempt at martyrdom in the hopes of aquiring wouldwide sympathy. This hasn't been working as, though many countries are alling for a ceasefire, most are supportive of Israel's right to defend herself and/or denounce the terrorist actions.

Some news links identifying the support:

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=134194

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/17/world/middleeast/17arab.html?_r=1&n=Top%2fReference%2fTimes%20Topics%2fOrganizations%2fA%2fArab%20League&oref=slogin

 

[RebelSnake]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

Both Hamas and Hezbollah, elected representatives of their governments, crossed internationally recognized borders and launched unprovoked attacks upon Israeli military personnel. How else is Israel supposed to respond to blatant acts of war?

 

[Hoot]

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I don't deny Israel the right to defend herself. I've read where after Israel gave Gaza back to the Palestinians, within 24 hours, rockets were being lobbed into Israel from Gaza. What is Israel supposed to do?

Unfortunately, Lebanon is a fledgling democracy, who is suffering greatly, and the actions of Israel are hurting our cause in Iraq and further inflaming the Middle East, and yes, bringing us to the brink of WWIII. ( If we aren't already there?)

I admit to not knowing the answer, but I wish the U.S. had stayed in Afghanistan, secured that nation, and NOT moved into Iraq...an action that has only served to inflame the middle east. Of course, hindsight is 20-20.

 

[::Major_Baker::]

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I don't blame them for the violence. This encounter was started by hezbollah.

But to deny that Israel is fkking loving this, is to be ignorant.
They are loving the chance to fight hezbollah, again, on their terms.
Israel will not give up easily, and won't likely stoip until most of S lebanon is crushed. They were itching to use all of their shiny new american equipment....

 

[cherokee]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

I don't blame them for the violence. This encounter was started by hezbollah.

But to deny that Israel is fkking loving this, is to be ignorant.
They are loving the chance to fight hezbollah, again, on their terms.
Israel will not give up easily, and won't likely stoip until most of S lebanon is crushed. They were itching to use all of their shiny new american equipment....

And they should use it all...Its about time the hezbolla are crushed.

 

[Vader]

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I actually saw where someone posted "should we assist:mrgreen:srael" HA!!!!!!!! They don't need our help. Just ask Egypt.

Good point.

However, it's a good idea for us to be there to intimidate Syria and Iran into staying out of the fight.

:mrgreen:

 

[Uncle]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

Let's see if I have this right: In 1948 the U.S along with Britain and the U.N., et al, gave to the zionist land that was sole property of the inhabitants of that land, (i.e. Palestinians), thereby displacing untold numbers of Palestinians whose families had been indigenous to the area for thousands of years, making many homeless and forcing others completely out of the region. Sixty years later the invaders of that land have brutally acquired more of the region than they originally were illegally given. They have managed this through intimidation, murder and acts of terror. They have been sanctioned by the U.N. repeatedly for these acts and, thanks to the veto powers of the United States, been able to continue acting in inhumane fashion. The areas known as Gaza and the West Bank, supposedly set aside for the Palestinians, has been occupied by the zionist with what they call "settlements" since day one. Inside these areas the Israeli zionist jews have bulldozed the homes of the Palestinians, rather occupied or not, raped women, murdered women, children and other noncombatants, imprisoned the Palestinians in their own homes, cut off medical and other humanitarian needs....for nearly 60 years.

Then they give back Gaza about a year ago to the Palestinians. Or, should I say they "unoccupied" it. Nice of them, right? Wrong. After removing themselves physically from the area of Gaza, the nice zionist, with the aid of the United States, sanctions the Palestinians, refusing to allow much needed survival items into the region, because they are not fond of the Hamas, who were democratically elected. Although the United States claims that they want an democracy throughout the Mideast, they apparently only want one that they, vis a vis, Israel can control. Obviously the democratically elected Hamas does not fit that definition.

Fast forward. Gaza capturesan Israeli soldier and this capture becomes a "kidnapping" in all of the media outlets in the West. A "justifiable reason'' for an attack on Gaza. Boom. Let the bombs rain down on the civilians of Gaza. Destroy all electrical power, major road ways and bridges. Fix it so fresh water and food and medical supplies become unavailable. Ignore that this is all in violation of the Geneva Convention. More sanctions from the U.N. More vetos by the United States.

Then the "deplorable" Hezbollah captures, ooops "kidnaps", two Israeli soldiers inside Lebanese territory. Boom. Let the bombs once again fall on the heads of the innocent. Over 500,000 civilians have had to evacuate their homes. No need to worry though. Israel isn't going to run out of massively destructive weapons such as bombs and fighter jets, tanks, etcetera. The United States will continue to provide all of the war weapons free of charge to the Israeli aggressors, further destroying the American economy.

Today the U.N.

"condemned Israel's "excessive use of force" against Lebanon." - Associated Press

Enter Russia. Contrary to what some might think, Russians aren't punks and they are getting more and more upset with the way things are going in the Mideast. Todays news:

The Russian Foreign Ministry said Israel's actions have gone "far beyond the boundaries of an anti-terrorist operation" and repeating calls for an immediate cease-fire. - Associated Press.

Now about all the U.N. can or will do is sanction Israel for their terrorist operations in Gaza and Lebanon. But, as always, the United States will veto any sanctions against Israel, since Israel is the tail that wags the dog in the Middle East.

But what about Russia? Well, let's see. Russia has got balls. Big balls. And they have weapons. Big weapons. Guess what else they have? They have China as an ally. But Russia wont need China to take out Israel. Russia and China have what is known as the SS-N-22 "Sunburn" missile with nuclear capabilities. These missiles can be launched from ship, air, land or the back of a truck. These may already be deployed in Syria and Iran. They travel at at about 60 feet off the ground and travel in excess of 1,500 miles per hour. They also have an updated version known as the SS-N-25 "Onyx". It travels at Mach 2.9 (2100 MPH) at a height of 45 feet. Both of these weapons are undetectable by radar and have near pin point accuracy. In a matter of minutes Tel Aviv can be reduced to nothing.

The Russians are not happy with what is happening in Lebanon and they are already close allies with Iran who has close ties to Lebanon.

Do I "blame Israel for the combat"? Bet your last nickle, I do. They are, and have been, the aggressive terrorists in the region since the 1940's. I also blame that brain dead drunk, G.W. bush and the rest of the zionist neo-con puppets in the White house.

 

[ProudAmerican]

everything in the last post is correct, except what is after "lets see" and what is before "white house"

other than that, its all factual information.

 

[Gibberish]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this whole Isreal/Palestin thing but lets see if I can break it down correctly.

• [1200 BCE-200BCE] Israel and Judea were Jewish lands but were conquered over and over again for the next few hundred years.
• [100 BCE] The roman conquerors changed the name of Judea to Palestine (after a few modern translations of course) in an attempt to erase Jewish ties to the land.
• [0 CE-600 CE] Many Jewish people migrated into the Roman Empire as refugees. Palestine (Judea) was majority Christian and pagan in its early years. Islam births in 600 CE in Saudi Arabia.
• [700 CE] With the Jewish settlers in disarray and the Roman Empire disbanding the eastern Arabians moved in to claim Israel to capture the city of Jerusalem where the Islam "Isra and Mi'raj" occurred.
• [1000 CE - 1200 CE] The Christians start the crusades to remove the Arabians from Israel and take control of the Christian holy land. They reclaim the land then lost it in the 1200's
• [1500 CE-1900 CE] The Turks invade Israel pushing out the Arabians and the Jewish refuges throughout Europe return to Israel.
• [TODAY] Ever since the Jewish migration back to Israel there has been war between Israel and Palestine (Israel being the original name and Palestine being the roman name given to the land to remove the Jewish population).

It seems the Jewish population has been there for about 3000 years longer but were not controlled enough to stop themselves from being conquered a number of times.

 

[alphieb]

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Good point.

However, it's a good idea for us to be there to intimidate Syria and Iran into staying out of the fight.

:mrgreen:

If we go over there, I honestly think it could result in WW III or War of the Worlds. I'm not so sure that is a good idea.

 

[talloulou]

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If we go over there, I honestly think it could result in WW III or War of the Worlds. I'm not so sure that is a good idea.

You think it will bring out the aliens?:rofl

 

[Kandahar]

Re: Do You Blame Isreal For The Combat?

I don't blame them for the violence. This encounter was started by hezbollah.

But to deny that Israel is fkking loving this, is to be ignorant.
They are loving the chance to fight hezbollah, again, on their terms.
Israel will not give up easily, and won't likely stoip until most of S lebanon is crushed. They were itching to use all of their shiny new american equipment....

So what? They SHOULD love the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to destroy the most effective terrorist organization in the world, and have most of the Arab world on their side.

Iran ****ed up and gave Israel causus belli. They've now resigned themselves to the loss of Hezbollah, and possibly to the loss of Syria too. Any action that Israel takes to end Iranian dominance of the Middle East is good. And if they need any help decapitating the Assad regime, I'm sure we can spare a few bombs.

 

[alphieb]

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You think it will bring out the aliens?:rofl

Yes, thats what I meant.:roll:

 

[Uncle]

everything in the last post is correct, except what is after "lets see" and what is before "white house"

other than that, its all factual information.

When one cannot assault the information one insults the informer. Very good. You are truly qualified to contribute to this topic. Please continue.

alphieb

If we go over there, I honestly think it could result in WW III or War of the Worlds. I'm not so sure that is a good idea.

Most likely there will not be a WWIII, unless Israel continues its mad dog campaign against Arab countries and the U.S. (the dog wagged by the tail of the zionist Israeli apartheids) foolishly enters. However, there is a very distinct possibility that Russia will react violently against Israel and they will not play around should Israel go after Syria or Iran. They will completely vaporize Tel Aviv and all of its inhabitants. The United States does not have the power to enter that fight; the United States does not want that fight. If the U.S. were foolish enough to enter that fight then China would enter as well as most of the Arab countries. So too would N. Korea and we are not out of their nuclear missile range. Only God and those who have the earthly powers know if N.Korea has nuclear subs provided by Russia/China. The U.S. is not as powerful in the reality of things as most are foolishly led to believe. Because of Americas support of Israel, America is a target by many countries.

Keep foolishly believing that Israel is a friend and close ally of the United States. Keep foolishly believing that Israel is not the aggressor/terrorist in the Mideast. Doom yourselves to ignorance and suffer for it.

People talk about Arab terrorists and Palestinian murderers as if they read nothing, see nothing, or know nothing about the reality of the crisis in the middle east. People in America unknowingly think that those who are not Israeli zionist in the middle east are barbarians filled with hatred for the poor little state of Israel. They foolishly think that those who are not jewish zionist Israelis are from the stone age. They think that the religion of Islam wants to dominate the world and kill Christians. What fools these people are.

Before Israel came into being the Arabs were no threat to America or any other Christian nation. They did not even consider wars with America. Now, because of Americas support for Israel, they want us all dead. And can we blame them? Can they blame us? Would you blame the ones who gave weapons to others for the purpose of killing your family?

America is not the country it was founded to be. Not any longer. I lament that. America is now the country that works for the interests of Israel and against the wishes of its citizens. I lament that also. But what I lament the most is that America no longer supports what is just and right - it now advocates against justice and righteousness. It has become a rogue land led by the tongue and the hand of the most evil of evils this world has ever known.

You who choose to can go down with Israel in a blaze and I will laugh you all the way to hell. Israel is the enemy of the world. Think me a lier? Look at the current situation in the Mideast and tell me that without Israel we would have any enemies in that area of the world? Who and why without Israels illegal existence? May they go too far and Iran or Syria nuke them off this planet using Russian nukes at 45 feet off the ground and at 2100 mph.

 

[tecoyah]

Most likely there will not be a WWIII, unless Israel continues its mad dog campaign against Arab countries and the U.S. (the dog wagged by the tail of the zionist Israeli apartheids) foolishly enters.
-from another thread-
I think that the first steps into WWIII have already been taken with the attacks on Iraq and Lebanon. It's not to late to step back from it, but I don't think the U.S. - Israel alliance is going to.

Out of curiousity....which is your actual belief in this.

 

[cherokee]

When one cannot assault the information one insults the informer. Very good. You are truly qualified to contribute to this topic. Please continue.

alphieb

Most likely there will not be a WWIII, unless Israel continues its mad dog campaign against Arab countries and the U.S. (the dog wagged by the tail of the zionist Israeli apartheids) foolishly enters. However, there is a very distinct possibility that Russia will react violently against Israel and they will not play around should Israel go after Syria or Iran. They will completely vaporize Tel Aviv and all of its inhabitants. The United States does not have the power to enter that fight; the United States does not want that fight. If the U.S. were foolish enough to enter that fight then China would enter as well as most of the Arab countries. So too would N. Korea and we are not out of their nuclear missile range. Only God and those who have the earthly powers know if N.Korea has nuclear subs provided by Russia/China. The U.S. is not as powerful in the reality of things as most are foolishly led to believe. Because of Americas support of Israel, America is a target by many countries.

Keep foolishly believing that Israel is a friend and close ally of the United States. Keep foolishly believing that Israel is not the aggressor/terrorist in the Mideast. Doom yourselves to ignorance and suffer for it.

People talk about Arab terrorists and Palestinian murderers as if they read nothing, see nothing, or know nothing about the reality of the crisis in the middle east. People in America unknowingly think that those who are not Israeli zionist in the middle east are barbarians filled with hatred for the poor little state of Israel. They foolishly think that those who are not jewish zionist Israelis are from the stone age. They think that the religion of Islam wants to dominate the world and kill Christians. What fools these people are.

Before Israel came into being the Arabs were no threat to America or any other Christian nation. They did not even consider wars with America. Now, because of Americas support for Israel, they want us all dead. And can we blame them? Can they blame us? Would you blame the ones who gave weapons to others for the purpose of killing your family?

America is not the country it was founded to be. Not any longer. I lament that. America is now the country that works for the interests of Israel and against the wishes of its citizens. I lament that also. But what I lament the most is that America no longer supports what is just and right - it now advocates against justice and righteousness. It has become a rogue land led by the tongue and the hand of the most evil of evils this world has ever known.

You who choose to can go down with Israel in a blaze and I will laugh you all the way to hell. Israel is the enemy of the world. Think me a lier? Look at the current situation in the Mideast and tell me that without Israel we would have any enemies in that area of the world? Who and why without Israels illegal existence? May they go too far and Iran or Syria nuke them off this planet using Russian nukes at 45 feet off the ground and at 2100 mph.

Why do you hate the Jewish people so much?

 

[Gibberish]

I love how Uncle uses the title 'Zionist' as if it is a disease or evil religious belief.

A Zionist is someone who supports the migration of the Jewish refugees back to Israel. What exactly is bad about that?

The Jewish population has been in Israel for over 3000 years. They lost the land to the Romans (as did most civilizations around the Mediterranean) and were force to scattered. They returned to Israel (their home land) in about 1300 CE and have been fighting with the Muslims ever since.

I guess hatred really does blind fact.

 

[Gardener]

I love how Uncle uses the title 'Zionist' as if it is a disease or evil religious belief.

A Zionist is someone who supports the migration of the Jewish refugees back to Israel. What exactly is bad about that?

The Jewish population has been in Israel for over 3000 years. They lost the land to the Romans (as did most civilizations around the Mediterranean) and were force to scattered. They returned to Israel (their home land) in about 1300 CE and have been fighting with the Muslims ever since.

I guess hatred really does blind fact.

Yep. I like to count the number of times the word Zionist appears in a post. There are occasional instances when the term is used correctly, but most of these hateful things do so simply because it replaces the word "Jew" in their lexicon of hate. What a wonderful ruse, huh? The fellow haters can all nod nod, wink wink each other when they use the term and the targets of their hatred know they mean Jews as well. Those too clueless to know what the heck is going on start repeating the same stupid mantra and pretty soon their language becomes as hateful.

"Hey, but all I said was that I support the murder of "zionist" children, wish to destroy every last vestige of the "zionist" state, and support the genocide of "zionists", so of course I couldn't possibly be an antisemite".....

 

[Nexus]

Israel is fighting for it's very existence. What else can they do? They withdrew from Lebanon 6 years ago and it appears that Hezbollah used that time to build up an arsenal to destroy it. As long as Hezbollah is committed to Israel's destruction, they have no other choice. While Israel has been withdrawing, the fundies have been deploying.