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Re: There's TWO Reasons The Pledging Should Cease
The First Amendment - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of yu need to look at some of the decisions of the Supreme court. They have interpreted and extended this to mean that people have no right to force their religious beliefs on others. Freedom of religion now also means freedom from religion. Individual choice. Sometimes Christians seem to try to rewrite history to support their own believes. Yet so do others besides Christians.
Personally I am do not think, that,, In God We Trust on money,, or Under God in the pledge of allegiance do not as one to believe anything. I am not offended by it at all.
AlbqOwl said:Long ago, the court rightfully ruled that the recitation of the Pledge not be mandatory nor are alternate patriotic exercises prohibited for any who would choose to use them. The Pledge is a symbol, a tradition, an emblem if you will not unlike that of the flag and the corresponding rules for saluting, displaying, etc. There is no consequence imposed by law for anybody's failure to do either or for disrespecting either.
Thus, as the phrase 'under God' implies nothing other than the cultural and historical roots of the founding of the nation, and there is no reward or consequence for saying or not saying the phrase, there is no establishment of religion.
That is the root of this entire argument. Is any reference to religion an establishment of religion. I say it is not, and to forbid any reference to religion would be a violation of the First Amendment. The only way that government would be guilty of an establishment of religion is if any particular religion was favored (rewarded) over any other, if any particular religion was forbidden or afforded disadvantage for its beliefs.
There is nothing implied nor stated in the Constitution suggesting that religion would not be permitted within public view, on public lands, or even in government activity.
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The First Amendment - Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise there of yu need to look at some of the decisions of the Supreme court. They have interpreted and extended this to mean that people have no right to force their religious beliefs on others. Freedom of religion now also means freedom from religion. Individual choice. Sometimes Christians seem to try to rewrite history to support their own believes. Yet so do others besides Christians.
Personally I am do not think, that,, In God We Trust on money,, or Under God in the pledge of allegiance do not as one to believe anything. I am not offended by it at all.