Do you believe that life begins at conception?

[Navy Pride]

Well we have a lot of new members and have not done this one for quite a while so lets see how it comes out...

Oh and I am not going to let you cop out with "Not Sure"

 

[mpg]

Yes, and I believe that that makes abortion murder. I also believe that murder should be illegal. I have no problem with people who say that a fetus is part of a woman's body. I disagree with them, but I find their POV to be reasonable. The people that I consider to be unreasonable are the ones who say that it's murder but it should be legal. They would change their tune if it was legal to murder them.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

Okay, Navy: now ask when personhood begins, or when one becomes a citizen, or gains the right to life, or qualifies as potentially capable of being a homicide victim. Please ask those questions? Pretty, pretty please?

Oh, forget it, I can't wait!

Life begins at conception. So I voted. So what? algae is alive, too. Personhood, protection under the law, and the right to life all begin at birth.

 

[SixStringHero]

I'm not a scientist, thus no matter how much information I find playing internet detective, I will never be able to confirm if said information is true or false.

Sorry, but I'm going with the cop out NOT SURE.

 

[Navy Pride]

If you believe that life begins at conception then by the same line of thinking you have to believe that abortion is taking a life.............

 

[SixStringHero]

If you believe that life begins at conception then by the same line of thinking you have to believe that abortion is taking a life.............

You know, after a while I just don't want to think about it.

Ultimately it's the woman's body, so I don't feel qualified to make such a decision.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

If you believe that life begins at conception then by the same line of thinking you have to believe that abortion is taking a life.............

Yup, abortion is taking a life. So is swatting a mosquito.

 

[hipsterdufus]

Well we have a lot of new members and have not done this one for quite a while so lets see how it comes out...

Oh and I am not going to let you cop out with "Not Sure"

I voted no.

I believe that all sperm and all eggs are also alive, before conception ever takes place.

 

[Iriemon]

I voted no.

I believe that all sperm and all eggs are also alive, before conception ever takes place.

Ditto. Life exists before conception. A human being does not exist until well after conception.

 

[Indy]

Life begins when the fetus/baby (whatever terminology you choose to use) is capable of living on its own outside of the woman's body. At that time abortion would be murder, before then it is not an issue.

 

[Alex]

I just found this on CrooksandLiars.com. SO FUNNY!!!




"Yesterday, they said life begins with conception.

Today, they say life begins with intercourse.

Tomorrow, they will tell us life begins with dinner and a movie."

 

[southern_liberal]

No. The potential for life begins at conception.

 

[RightOfCenter]

I believe life begins at conception, and yes so does protection under the law and right to life. Citizenship is not important to a person's right to life.

 

[RightOfCenter]

No. The potential for life begins at conception.

No, the potential for life begins in the ovaries and testicles.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

I believe life begins at conception, and yes so does protection under the law and right to life. Citizenship is not important to a person's right to life.

So if a woman rides a dirt bike over a jump a week after conception, not knowing she's pregnant, and miscarries, is she guilty of manslaughter?

Should you free the poor enslaved fetus, trapped in its mother's womb for nine months, deprived of sunlight and fresh air, stripped of its inherent right to liberty?

According to our government and our justice system, citizenship begins at birth, and the rights of citizenship begin then, as well. The courts have agreed to give a certain window of opportunity for unborn fetuses after six months, that they have a sort of limited status and limited protection under the law. But they are not citizens until birth. The two above scenarios, as ridiculous as they may seem, are part of the reason for that decision. I'm sorry if it seems callous, but that is the way it is.

No, the potential for life begins in the ovaries and testicles.

You want to go with that argument, life began about 2-3 billion years ago, or about 9,000 years ago, with the first single-celled organisms, or with the Garden of Eden. It has been an unbroken chain since then.

 

[talloulou]

:beatdeadhorse

talk about banging your head into a wall

 

[Befuddled_Stoner]

Of course life doesn't begin at conception, gametes are alive well before they merge.

Oh your God...you mean that abortions end life?!?! Meh, so what? Each and every day, I am personally responsible for killing hundreds, thousands, maybe even millions of lives. So is everybody else that washes their hands, brushes their teeth, or takes a shower, what's the big deal? Sure, zygotes develop into humans, but only after mooching shitloads of resources from a woman's body.

If the woman is fine with having her abdomen distended, her hormones thrown outta wack, and the next 18 years of her life focused on rearing the little beast...sure, go right ahead. If a woman doesn't want to suffer through all that ****, why the hell do complete strangers want to force her? It's easy enough to **** up your own life, nobody needs complete strangers doing it for them.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Life begins when the fetus/baby (whatever terminology you choose to use) is capable of living on its own outside of the woman's body. At that time abortion would be murder, before then it is not an issue.

Exactly what I would say, Indy, practically word for word.

 

[RightOfCenter]

So if a woman rides a dirt bike over a jump a week after conception, not knowing she's pregnant, and miscarries, is she guilty of manslaughter?

Should you free the poor enslaved fetus, trapped in its mother's womb for nine months, deprived of sunlight and fresh air, stripped of its inherent right to liberty?

According to our government and our justice system, citizenship begins at birth, and the rights of citizenship begin then, as well. The courts have agreed to give a certain window of opportunity for unborn fetuses after six months, that they have a sort of limited status and limited protection under the law. But they are not citizens until birth. The two above scenarios, as ridiculous as they may seem, are part of the reason for that decision. I'm sorry if it seems callous, but that is the way it is.

So if they aren't citizens we can kill them? What does citizenship have to do with this at all? Can I go out and start killing illegal aliens?

You want to go with that argument, life began about 2-3 billion years ago, or about 9,000 years ago, with the first single-celled organisms, or with the Garden of Eden. It has been an unbroken chain since then.

What does that have to do with the topic at all?

 

[RightOfCenter]

Of course life doesn't begin at conception, gametes are alive well before they merge.

Oh your God...you mean that abortions end life?!?! Meh, so what? Each and every day, I am personally responsible for killing hundreds, thousands, maybe even millions of lives. So is everybody else that washes their hands, brushes their teeth, or takes a shower, what's the big deal?

If you were killing millions of humans every time you took a shower or brushed you're teeth it probably would be a big deal wouldn't it?

Sure, zygotes develop into humans, but only after mooching shitloads of resources from a woman's body.

If they don't want to have kids they'll use protection, and if they really don't want to have kids they won't have sex. They know the risks when they spread their legs.

If the woman is fine with having her abdomen distended, her hormones thrown outta wack, and the next 18 years of her life focused on rearing the little beast...sure, go right ahead. If a woman doesn't want to suffer through all that ****, why the hell do complete strangers want to force her? It's easy enough to **** up your own life, nobody needs complete strangers doing it for them.

By that argument why the hell do complete strangers care if a murderer doesn't get punished for his crimes? It wasn't me who got murdered so I guess I'll just let this one go...

 

[CoffeeSaint]

So if they aren't citizens we can kill them? What does citizenship have to do with this at all? Can I go out and start killing illegal aliens?

If you prefer the term "person," we can use that as well -- though if that's the caser, I'd like to refer you to FutureIncoming, and see if you and he can agree on a definition of "person."
And I'll tell you what: the very next time an illegal alien crawls into your abdomen, connects itself to your bloodstream and begins stealing oxygen from your lungs and nutrients from your digestive system, and causes your body to instinctually sacrifice yourself in order to protect him, for nine months before he comes tearing out from between your legs, I promise I'll let you kill him.
Unless, of course, you spread your legs for him. Then it's all your fault.

What does that have to do with the topic at all?

You said that the potential for life begins in the ovaries and testes; but where was the life before that? It was in the organs that made the gametes. And before that, it was in the gametes that made the person that made the new generation of gametes. And before that, it was . . .
Southern liberal started the line of thinking, but you seemed to be continuing it. I just wanted to take it quickly to its natural conclusion: life only began once. It is passed on, but never created from a lack of life. We can only talk about an individual's life, and that begins at conception. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[RightOfCenter]

If you prefer the term "person," we can use that as well -- though if that's the caser, I'd like to refer you to FutureIncoming, and see if you and he can agree on a definition of "person."
And I'll tell you what: the very next time an illegal alien crawls into your abdomen, connects itself to your bloodstream and begins stealing oxygen from your lungs and nutrients from your digestive system, and causes your body to instinctually sacrifice yourself in order to protect him, for nine months before he comes tearing out from between your legs, I promise I'll let you kill him.
Unless, of course, you spread your legs for him. Then it's all your fault.

You were the one who brought up citizenship as if it had something to do with abortion and yes I will refer to the child as a person, without your demeaning quotes. You paint a gruesome picture that everyone who has sex without protection should think about the next time they're in too much of a hurry to have their partner put on a $.50 piece of rubber.

You said that the potential for life begins in the ovaries and testes; but where was the life before that? It was in the organs that made the gametes. And before that, it was in the gametes that made the person that made the new generation of gametes. And before that, it was . . .
Southern liberal started the line of thinking, but you seemed to be continuing it. I just wanted to take it quickly to its natural conclusion: life only began once. It is passed on, but never created from a lack of life. We can only talk about an individual's life, and that begins at conception. Sorry for the confusion.

Alright, I can agree with that, let's never end any life we can avoid ending. I can live with being a vegetarian that doesn't shower, brush my teeth, or shower if you can do the same and live without considering children to be parasites.

 

[CoffeeSaint]

You were the one who brought up citizenship as if it had something to do with abortion and yes I will refer to the child as a person, without your demeaning quotes. You paint a gruesome picture that everyone who has sex without protection should think about the next time they're in too much of a hurry to have their partner put on a $.50 piece of rubber.

Rubber breaks. Then what's your plan? Are you for the morning after pill?

Alright, I can agree with that, let's never end any life we can avoid ending. I can live with being a vegetarian that doesn't shower, brush my teeth, or shower if you can do the same and live without considering children to be parasites.

Well, no, that doesn't interest me -- but remember, I'm on the murderer's side here. I'm all for the killing of parasites. In fact, I didn't say anything about the preservation of life; I was only pointing out that the phrase "the beginning of life" is not one that has a simple meaning. BTW, vegetables ar alive. If you don't want to end any creature's life, you will end your own with remarkable rapidity.
Why would you want to spare the lives of parasites?

 

[RightOfCenter]

Rubber breaks. Then what's your plan? Are you for the morning after pill?

Don't gamble if you don't want to lose money bud. And yes I am.

Well, no, that doesn't interest me -- but remember, I'm on the murderer's side here. I'm all for the killing of parasites. In fact, I didn't say anything about the preservation of life; I was only pointing out that the phrase "the beginning of life" is not one that has a simple meaning. BTW, vegetables ar alive. If you don't want to end any creature's life, you will end your own with remarkable rapidity.
Why would you want to spare the lives of parasites?

Then why were you trying to drum up sympathy for them? It boils down to the fact that humans aren't bacteria, cows, dogs, vegetables, they're humans regardless of how young they are.

 

[robin]

At conception an organism starts to form that ultimately will be capable of reproducing. That is life. Up until that point the sperm and ovum are merely the essential ingredients of life, not life itself.
So this really isn't a poll because this not a matter of opinion, because by definition, life begins at conception and that's a fact.