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That's the problem, you haven't. You've claimed natural rights exist. You haven't shown that they really do. People are pointing to documents written by people who believed in natural rights. That doesn't prove that they are actually real. If he can't make them go away by saying they do not exist, you cannot wish them into existence by repeating that they do. You have to present some kind of evidence that they're real and differentiate them, in reality, from the only kind of rights we can actually demonstrate exist, legal rights. The burden of proof is entirely on the shoulders of the natural rights proponents. When do you guys think you'll do more than stamp your feet and ardently demand that these things exist?
so you are going to post a video of a 19yr old kid telling me natural rights don't exist, and that is supposed to prove your case?
hug a tree today!
get in touch with your feelings
Okay. I'll concede that you have no ability to think, reason, believe, create, aspire, hope, or conceive outside of what others allow you to do. So for you natural rights don't exist. But they exist for me. And there is no force or power in the universe given to anybody or anything that can prove they do not.
I'm still waiting for you to come up with any evidence. At least that 19 year old kid tried. That makes him braver than you.
LOL. But only if the government allows it. Otherwise such things are rights that don't exist unless government says they do.
"They"...evidently I belong to some group now. News to me.that is the only argument they have...."they don't exist"
when you ask them to prove it, you get more of the same.
then they tell you to prove they exist, when that question should be directed at them, how can they prove they don't exist, since natural rights are part of our laws, principles, and of history of the world and america
I cannot make go away something that was never here.Have a nice day Jerry. I made my argument for why natural rights exist. And you cannot make them go away by saying over and over that they do not.
"They"...evidently I belong to some group now. News to me.
This is absolutely provable. A natural right cannot be taken from you, nor can you give it up. So if the right to life couldn't be taken away, no one could be murderd, no one could die in a car accident, or indeed by any means other than their natural death. If the right to life couldn't be given up then no one could ever suicide; you would slide the blade across your wrist and perhaps bleed a bit, but not die.
If the right to liberty couldn't be taken away then it would be impossible to jail anyone. You would close the cell doir, they would assert their right to liberty and just walk right out of prison like Hancock.
So, it's perfectly provable.
If there is a government over you, you are not free.it never ceases to amaze me at people who believe they are SUBJECTS, and not free people.
it never ceases to amaze me at people who believe they are SUBJECTS, and not free people.
That's only part of the definition. You're describing Human Rights, not Natural Rights. Human Rights, that is rights inherent of the individual simply for being human, do certainly exist. But Natural Rights, by definition, are inalienable. All Human Rights are alienable so therefore no Human Right is a Natural Right.natural rights mean they are natural to the body, they are not anything just made up.
If there is a government over you, you are not free.
they as in people who argument and say natural rights don't exist...but do not produce any facts to prove their case...BUT their own personal words.
government is instituted to secure rights...that is it sole purpose....it is the uneducated among us, who believe government is here for other purposes.
That's only part of the definition. You're describing Human Rights, not Natural Rights. Human Rights, that is rights inherent of the individual simply for being human, do certainly exist. But Natural Rights, by definition, are inalienable. All Human Rights are alienable so therefore no Human Right is a Natural Right.
and apparently those who can read the Preamble to the Constitution.
the responsibility to prove something rests with those asserting the positive - in this case that natural rights do exist.
You cannot always prove something claimed or believed does not exist since it involves proving a negative. For example - nobody can prove that there are not three inch monkeys made of blue flame who play a version of professional basketball underneath the surface of uranus. But for one to assert the existence of such - they must offer proof of such a thing.
Right, but being free means not having an authority over you, for better or worse.government is instituted to secure rights...that is it sole purpose....it is the uneducated among us, who believe government is here for other purposes.
I do see them. I also see them in the dictionary. The Founders were wrong. Life and liberty are not Natural Rights and we can prove this time and again.do you see human rights in the constitution?
do you see INALIENABLE in the DOI?
those who READ the DOI...AND UNDERSTAND OUR DOCUMENTS
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
Right, but being free means not having an authority over you, for better or worse.
sorry the proof in on you to prove they dont exist.....because i have posted my proof ..you have not!
And if
1- the Declaration set up our government you may just have a leg to stand on.... since it does NOT , neither do you
2- and then consider the reality the men who wrote than and signed it did not believe the very crap they released to the world so neither does anyone but the naive and gullible or those engaged in denial of reality
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