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Do you believe Hitler escaped Germany after WWII?

Do you believe Hitler escaped Germany after WWII?

  • No - The offical story is correct

    Votes: 13 68.4%
  • Yes - I believe that he did escape

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Maybe?

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Other - I'll explain

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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I placed this thread in CT because the theory that Hitler escaped Germany after WWII goes against conventional history.


In recent years a fair amount of research has been done trying to prove or disprove the official story of Hitlers alleged suicide and discovery by Soviet troops. The Obama administration declassified several documents that pertained to the US's intelligence reports after the war that strongly suggests that the US government were in fact looking for Hitler after the war. The US has many reports during the late 40s and early 50s that place Hitler in Argentina and neighboring countries.

A few books and TV documentaries have put a lot of research into this declassified intel and paint a very feasible possibility that Hitler could and probably did in fact escape just prior to Germany's surrender in 1945. In the past decade nearly all "evidence" of Hitlers demise in 1945 has been dis-proven and while this does not prove that he did in fact escape it makes the official history very questionable. Stalin himself told Churchill and Eisenhower that he believed Hitler had escaped which was contrary to public statements. As one such document on the subject describes it "We seem to have more evidence that he lived and escaped Germany then we have that he died in Germany".


So what are your thought?
 

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It is an interesting theory, but without hard evidence I'm not just going to believe it.

I will go with the documented history which is that Hitler died in the bunker in 1945. Anything else is speculation, with weaker support then the fact that Hitler died in the bunker.

It is a moot point anyway. even if he had escaped, he's dead as of today.

He would've succumbed to old age by the 1980s.

And if there were credible evidence he survived I think Mossad would've yankee him like Eichman
 

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It is an interesting theory, but without hard evidence I'm not just going to believe it.

I will go with the documented history which is that Hitler died in the bunker in 1945. Anything else is speculation, with weaker support then the fact that Hitler died in the bunker.

It is a moot point anyway. even if he had escaped, he's dead as of today.

He would've succumbed to old age by the 1980s.

And if there were credible evidence he survived I think Mossad would've yankee him like Eichman



As I mentioned in the OP pretty much all the support of the official history has been proven false or very circumstantial at best. Things such as the "official" skeletal remains in Soviet possession were DNA proven to be that of a woman. All "eye witnesses" to his suicide and death later testified in court to never actually having seen him or his body directly. And then you cannot discount Stalin's comment that he believed Hitler had escaped when it was the Soviets themselves that were to have had Hitlers body by official report.

Moot point? I do not feel that it is. If it is proven that he did in fact escape then History needs to be changed. It also puts into light a possible multi national government coverup.


Plus I find it interesting that probably the most hated man of the time could escape the worlds superpowers.
 

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As I mentioned in the OP pretty much all the support of the official history has been proven false or very circumstantial at best. Things such as the "official" skeletal remains in Soviet possession were DNA proven to be that of a woman.

Strausbaugh said the historical value of the bone and other pieces of physical evidence collected by the Soviets was undermined by sloppy procedures.

"The problem with many of these samples is they haven't been archived, they haven't been stored properly," she said.

If additional DNA samples from family members of those who died in the bunker could be obtained, the relics might tell their story.

But for now, the identity of the skull in the Moscow archives is set to remain an enigma, Strausbaugh said.

'Hitler' skull belonged to woman: scientists | Alternet
 
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Instead of a peer reviewed paper we have a History Channel documentary.
 

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BELLANTONI: “As Dr. Strausbaugh has stated, we are in agreement that Hitler died in the bunker. The cranial vault fragment in question was recovered a full year (May 1946) after the initial discoveries of the bodies (May 1945). As we say in archaeology, “context” is everything. The context had been destroyed in waiting over a year to return to Berlin. The mandible that was sent to Moscow in 1945 is, I believe, that of Hitler. The cranial vault is someone else.”

This is reassuring, but this is not expressed in the content or title of Hitler’s Escape. The documentary ends with:

BELLANTONI: “We’re going to change everybody’s perception, of not only his remains but what maybe happened to Eva, Hitler and others in that bunker. If this is not Hitler, who is it and as a result of that we’ve got a lot more homework to do.”

The fact remains that History Channel made a documentary with a “worthless” piece of skull, resulting in an unnecessary documentary with an embroiled effect. The e-mail I received from Bellantoni very much opposes the documentary. Let me show the hard evidence proving Hitler’s suicide once and for all.

Suicide Hitler proven (The Seduction) | NL-Aid
 

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It's a difficult subject to study by web search it leads to hours long documentaries along with titles including Secret Underground Antarctic Nazi UFO Bases in Neuschwabenland.

Anyway wasn't this all settled by the Warren Commission ?
 

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I placed this thread in CT because the theory that Hitler escaped Germany after WWII goes against conventional history.


In recent years a fair amount of research has been done trying to prove or disprove the official story of Hitlers alleged suicide and discovery by Soviet troops. The Obama administration declassified several documents that pertained to the US's intelligence reports after the war that strongly suggests that the US government were in fact looking for Hitler after the war. The US has many reports during the late 40s and early 50s that place Hitler in Argentina and neighboring countries.

A few books and TV documentaries have put a lot of research into this declassified intel and paint a very feasible possibility that Hitler could and probably did in fact escape just prior to Germany's surrender in 1945. In the past decade nearly all "evidence" of Hitlers demise in 1945 has been dis-proven and while this does not prove that he did in fact escape it makes the official history very questionable. Stalin himself told Churchill and Eisenhower that he believed Hitler had escaped which was contrary to public statements. As one such document on the subject describes it "We seem to have more evidence that he lived and escaped Germany then we have that he died in Germany".


So what are your thought?



Hitler was born April 20,1889. If he had survived WWII and was still alive he'd be 127 years old right now.

Think about that a little bit.

:lol:
 

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As I mentioned in the OP pretty much all the support of the official history has been proven false or very circumstantial at best. Things such as the "official" skeletal remains in Soviet possession were DNA proven to be that of a woman. All "eye witnesses" to his suicide and death later testified in court to never actually having seen him or his body directly. And then you cannot discount Stalin's comment that he believed Hitler had escaped when it was the Soviets themselves that were to have had Hitlers body by official report.

Moot point? I do not feel that it is. If it is proven that he did in fact escape then History needs to be changed. It also puts into light a possible multi national government coverup.


Plus I find it interesting that probably the most hated man of the time could escape the worlds superpowers.

"pretty much all the support of the official history has been proven false or very circumstantial at best. ".

Care to provide your sources to back up your statement.

I can agree that "IF" the official story is wrong, the record should be changed.

Until someone comes up with verified proof, the thread is a "what if" speculation. Might as well say "what if" Hitler was taken away be space aliens.:mrgreen:

So far in this thread nobody has proved the proof to have the "official" record changed.
 
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Hitler was born April 20,1889. If he had survived WWII and was still alive he'd be 127 years old right now.

Think about that a little bit.

:lol:

He rests in the dark hills and will return to save The Volk, when it is in dire straits and on the verge of doom.
 

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Hitler was born April 20,1889. If he had survived WWII and was still alive he'd be 127 years old right now.

Think about that a little bit.

:lol:

'The Boys From Brazil'.

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Stalin himself told Churchill and Eisenhower that he believed Hitler had escaped

Hitler died in that bunker in 1945. Stalin was a paranoid liar, just because he told Churchill he thought Hitler escaped means absolutely NOTHING.

Hitler was sick, he was suffering from Parkinson's Disease, and he would have been the most wanted, and recognizable person in history with a bounty on his head worth millions. There would be nowhere for him to hide.

He died in 1945.. Case Closed.
 
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"pretty much all the support of the official history has been proven false or very circumstantial at best. ".

Care to provide your sources to back up your statement.

I can agree that "IF" the official story is wrong, the record should be changed.

Until someone comes up with verified proof, the thread is a "what if" speculation. Might as well say "what if" Hitler was taken away be space aliens.:mrgreen:

So far in this thread nobody has proved the proof to have the "official" record changed.


I have no proof I was merely stating the theme that recent books and documentary style programs have been claiming and was looking for discussion and opinions. Some of these are Hunting Hitler series by the history channel, Grey Wolf by Gerrard Williams and others that I do not have time at this moment to look up but can later if needed. And yes its all speculatory and no one is claiming proof that he escaped only that it is a possibility.
 

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I have no proof I was merely stating the theme that recent books and documentary style programs have been claiming and was looking for discussion and opinions. Some of these are Hunting Hitler series by the history channel, Grey Wolf by Gerrard Williams and others that I do not have time at this moment to look up but can later if needed. And yes its all speculatory and no one is claiming proof that he escaped only that it is a possibility.

Most conspiracy theories play off of the "what if". Much like the ancient aliens themes, etc.
 

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https://justice4germans.com/2013/06...e-trumps-rumours-theories-and-romantic-tales/

"Hitler’s well known dental issues and his custom bridge work were positively identified by his dentist and the dental assistant. The jaw bones found in the Kremlin archives combined with the X-Rays from the Post-Mortem report, which matched these with other images known to be that of Hitler, plus the eye-witness testimony of those who were there prove that Adolf Hitler died in 1945. The evidence is conclusive and there is no “escaping” it."

Seems conclusive to me that he died in the bunker. Or are the records faked? :mrgreen:
 

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Not only did he escape, he shaved his mustache, changed his name to George W. Bush and did 9/11.
 

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It is an interesting theory, but without hard evidence I'm not just going to believe it.

I will go with the documented history which is that Hitler died in the bunker in 1945. Anything else is speculation, with weaker support then the fact that Hitler died in the bunker.

It is a moot point anyway. even if he had escaped, he's dead as of today.

He would've succumbed to old age by the 1980s.

And if there were credible evidence he survived I think Mossad would've yankee him like Eichman

He probably wouldn't have lasted to the 80's.

He was pretty ill and a heavily medicated shell of a man by 1945, even if we accept the conspiracy theories that he "escaped to Argentina" Mossad was looking for Nazi's in Argentina and someone in his condition would have had to have been hospitalized or die not long after 1945 for some complication brought on by his medication and general lack of health.
 

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I think it is very foolish to believe he lived past 1945, and it is unlikely he escaped Germany.
 

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He probably wouldn't have lasted to the 80's.

He was pretty ill and a heavily medicated shell of a man by 1945, even if we accept the conspiracy theories that he "escaped to Argentina" Mossad was looking for Nazi's in Argentina and someone in his condition would have had to have been hospitalized or die not long after 1945 for some complication brought on by his medication and general lack of health.

Given his physical condition, he probably wouldn't have lasted to the 1950s.
 

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Given his physical condition, he probably wouldn't have lasted to the 1950s.

Yep, the Parkinson's alone would have killed him in a few years. Hell also Hitler's personal doctor, Dr. Morrel Voodoo 'treatments' might have been quickening Hitler's death instead 'curing' the Parkinson's.
 
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