do you agree?

[MSgt]

I"m sorry, what was that you said about cartoons? Courage the Cowardly Dog was not "simple". Nor was Samurai Jack. Outside of being one of the funniest cartoons ever, Spongebob Squarepants often has nuances if one cares to look for them.

Road Runner and Wile E Coyote, THAT was mindlessly crude and simple. Popeye...no nuances in Bluto, though no one knows where Swee'Pea came from...

Enough of cartoons. Take some time and watch them. It's far healthier than modern network shitcoms.

SpongeBob is clean. I was referring to cartoons that we mostly see on Nickelodean such as Ed, Edd, and Eddy or other such crude shows. Today's cartoons involve adult humor. The shows of old didn't place such adult type subjects to the front. I'm sure you can find exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions.

You weigh up everything, and the key is the parents. American parents are letting their kids down, and finding excuses elsewhere.

Yep. Broken homes are another problem. Because of more routinely seen single households, the kids are raising themselves.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

SpongeBob is clean. I was referring to cartoons that we mostly see on Nickelodean such as Ed, Edd, and Eddy or other such crude shows. Today's cartoons involve adult humor. The shows of old didn't place such adult type subjects to the front. I'm sure you can find exceptions, but that's why they are called exceptions.



Yep. Broken homes are another problem. Because of more routinely seen single households, the kids are raising themselves.

Spongebob is on Nickelodeon. Ed, Edd, and Eddy is on Cartoon Network. EE&E is fine. What I won't let my kids watch is Rugrats.

 

[MSgt]

Spongebob is on Nickelodeon. Ed, Edd, and Eddy is on Cartoon Network. EE&E is fine. What I won't let my kids watch is Rugrats.

Cartoon Network is the one. There is a lot of crude, obnoxious, and adult humor in those cartoons.

 

[Kelzie]

I'm not talking about privatizing education; that's not what vouchers do. They simply give students public money to attend any public or private school that they want. In Japan, Singapore, or any of the other nations with good education, they do not assign students to a school. The United States is the only modern nation in the world that does that, to the best of my knowledge. If I'm mistaken about that, our education system is nevertheless certainly not the norm.

This must change by state. In Colorado, you can attend any school you want, provided it's not full. Which the good schools usually are.

 

[MSgt]

This must change by state. In Colorado, you can attend any school you want, provided it's not full. Which the good schools usually are.

I have a friend in Colorado. He is a Forest Ranger named Todd Hess. Do you know him? Surely (Yes, I called you Shirley), you know everyone there.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Cartoon Network is the one. There is a lot of crude, obnoxious, and adult humor in those cartoons.

Funny, since Nickelodeon is owned by MTV...

Cartoon Network has plenty of quality stuff. Most of the "adult" stuff is crap they put on their Adult Swim hours, most of which is tedious and boring....

And...CN just aired Miyazaki's "Spirited Away", a genuine work of art if I ever saw one.

Let's see CN's evening lineup now includes:

Code Named Kid's Next Door. Well written, good art, depicts the battle between kids, teenagers, adults, and suckups known as The Delightful Children From Down the Lane, in a James Bond kind of world.

Ed, Edd, and Eddy...seems mostly focused on preteen avarice, jawbreakers, and goofing around and getting into trouble. The boys are averse to girls...who're either mean or ugly, or both.

Totally Spies was about high school James Bond type secret agent girls.

Teen Titans was about teen aged super heros doing teen aged super-hero cartoon stuff, with ninja moves.

I can't remember what else is on CN in the evenings now, I'll watch tonight and make further comments.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

That's an assertion, not a fact. The best school systems in the world in fact, are all governmentally controlled and not privatized at all. There is no voucher system in Japan, Singapore, India or any of the other nations Americans are all worried about being better in education than we are.

What they have in common is rapid industrialization, so that when they are industrialized they still have the recent memory of hard farm labor, and this allows this ethic to remain in the society better. Hence the "Asian work ethic."

The point is that they don't have to be prepared as much as kids in "3rd world" or other countries.

Ridiculous. They have to be prepared more.

On further study, of course.

Statistics and calculus should be a pre-requisite for a high school diploma.

Effective writing skills and reading comprehension are no brainers. A high-school diploma used to have value. If they can't read and write, that diploma is fancy scratchy butt wipe paper.

They're 18 when they graduate. They have the privilege to vote. They should understand the basics of economics and investing, they should have to understand how the American government works. How else to break the logjam of Democrat//Republican corruption?

Shooting skills should be offered as an elective in all high schools. This will help them understand the Second Amendment much better. And if any of them become VP, maybe they'll learn the first basic rule of shooting: don't shoot until you see your target.

Given the nature of today's society, a high-school graduate should pass real biology, chemistry, and physics courses.

And if this is too rigorous for a high-school diploma, maybe we need to re-think high-school level education completely. Perhaps, in the spirit of liberal america, where rewards are handed out most generously to the least deserving, we give those incapable of passing the basic coursework I outlined a Certificate of Seat Filling, on a 24x24 inch parchment, and we give the real students a Diploma.

Then there would be many that could not graduate high school. Perhaps another way could be found. Maybe students could opt out of the last two years and go to a nearby college. Currently you can do something like this, if you try hard enough using concurrent enrollment/distance learning, but not really. It would help would if the government and public schools could make it possible for students who are want to move along to the next level.

What I won't let my kids watch is Rugrats.

???

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Then there would be many that could not graduate high school. Perhaps another way could be found. Maybe students could opt out of the last two years and go to a nearby college. Currently you can do something like this, if you try hard enough using concurrent enrollment/distance learning, but not really. It would help would if the government and public schools could make it possible for students who are want to move along to the next level.

Then they don't graduate. They don't get the piece of paper that says they've successfully completed all the course work the state deems is necessary for earning a high-school diploma and they get jobs at Wal-Mart. If they don't want to spend their lives behind someone else's cash register, perhaps their parents can kick them in the *** and motivate them. Meanwhile, those that did have the motivation can use their now valuable diploma and move on to better jobs and college, as needs be.

And since not even the Marines want people so dumb they don't have high-school diplomas today, it would seem like there's a lot of incentive to increase the standards.

Those standards have to go up sometime, or this country will wind up being nothing but video-game jockeys thinking some magic intelligence thought them up, so they're special.

 

[Kelzie]

I have a friend in Colorado. He is a Forest Ranger named Todd Hess. Do you know him? Surely (Yes, I called you Shirley), you know everyone there.

Oh my god! Old Todd. Great guy. No, not really. Is he hot? I'll find him and tell him you said hi...

 

[Alastor]

Hint: History and Political Science are slack majors, unless you also look up to english majors. And perhaps if you'd been sober in class you'd have realized this.

Heh. I disagree, for a great many reasons I doubt you'd understand if you think they're slack majors. I guess I could take offense and get distracted into an argument over your childish and ignorant quip, but let's get back on topic.

Not to mention that the United States doesn't need more soft majors, it needs engineers, scientists, and competent technicians, though I have to confess that my own job security is enhanced greatly by the laziness of the American student and the negative image engineers have in the popular culture, both of which serve to depress the number of students willing to do what it takes to become useful.

China has lots of engineers. So does Japan. They have for decades, yet they have not caught up with the United States in terms of social, industrial or technological advancement. Why do you think that is?

I dunno Akhbar... All I heard in your post is, "My major is better and more important than yours is, and I'm going to be a baby about it."

 

[Kelzie]

Heh. I disagree, for a great many reasons I doubt you'd understand if you think they're slack majors. I guess I could take offense and get distracted into an argument over your childish and ignorant quip, but let's get back on topic.



China has lots of engineers. So does Japan. They have for decades, yet they have not caught up with the United States in terms of social, industrial or technological advancement. Why do you think that is?

I dunno Akhbar... All I heard in your post is, "My major is better and more important than yours is, and I'm going to be a baby about it."

:lol: Coming from a fellow poly sci major....I have to go half and half. Poly Sci can either be a complete slacker degree...or one of the hardest ones. It all depends what you put into it and want out of it.

 

[fooligan]

China has lots of engineers. So does Japan. They have for decades, yet they have not caught up with the United States in terms of social, industrial or technological advancement. Why do you think that is?

I'll bite... might be embarassing, as I have no education beyond 12th grade...

China:
1.) Lack of freedom to think outside the box
2.) Lack of freedom to access outside info
3.) Lack of employee enthusiasm

/caveat: slave labor rarely bitches

Japan:
1.) Tub Girl
2.) Ramen noodles
3.) Short people got no...

/caveat: slave labor rarely bitches

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

Heh. I disagree, for a great many reasons I doubt you'd understand if you think they're slack majors. I guess I could take offense and get distracted into an argument over your childish and ignorant quip, but let's get back on topic.



China has lots of engineers. So does Japan. They have for decades, yet they have not caught up with the United States in terms of social, industrial or technological advancement. Why do you think that is?

I dunno Akhbar... All I heard in your post is, "My major is better and more important than yours is, and I'm going to be a baby about it."

China and elsehwere have engineers. The United States used to have a culture of freedom that respected the innovator and the risk taker. Those days are past.

Glad to see you were snipped by what I said about soft majors. That was the intent.

 

[MSgt]

Funny, since Nickelodeon is owned by MTV...

Cartoon Network has plenty of quality stuff. Most of the "adult" stuff is crap they put on their Adult Swim hours, most of which is tedious and boring....

And...CN just aired Miyazaki's "Spirited Away", a genuine work of art if I ever saw one.

Let's see CN's evening lineup now includes:

Code Named Kid's Next Door. Well written, good art, depicts the battle between kids, teenagers, adults, and suckups known as The Delightful Children From Down the Lane, in a James Bond kind of world.

Ed, Edd, and Eddy...seems mostly focused on preteen avarice, jawbreakers, and goofing around and getting into trouble. The boys are averse to girls...who're either mean or ugly, or both.

Totally Spies was about high school James Bond type secret agent girls.

Teen Titans was about teen aged super heros doing teen aged super-hero cartoon stuff, with ninja moves.

I can't remember what else is on CN in the evenings now, I'll watch tonight and make further comments.

What...are you trying to argue over cartoons? Just don't start burning and killing over it.

 

[justone]

Not to mention that the United States doesn't need more soft majors, it needs engineers, scientists, and competent technicians,

I am not sure it is true. Why US need scientists, if we can hire Indians in India? If US needed engineers we would have them, and Bill Gates would be spending his millions in charities not in India, but in NY city. It is like we have to have Mexicans, because Americans think, that jobs perfomed by Mexicans are humiliating for an American. A proud American would rather preffer welfare, years of unemplyemnt and selling drugs in neighborhood. Because there is need for drugs. In the same way, there is not a real need for programmers - Chineses will do. There is a need for rappers, politicians, porn/pop-culture/movie makes, TV talking heads, journalists, football- basketbal players, etc, - and we have the best ones. You need competent technicians? - there is an army of Mexicans, they are ready to send their children to learn - for a lot less, than an American would be asking.

 

[talloulou]

I am not sure it is true. Why US need scientists, if we can hire Indians in India? If US needed engineers we would have them, and Bill Gates would be spending his millions in charities not in India, but in NY city. It is like we have to have Mexicans, because Americans think, that jobs perfomed by Mexicans are humiliating for an American. A proud American would rather preffer welfare, years of unemplyemnt and selling drugs in neighborhood. Because there is need for drugs. In the same way, there is not a real need for programmers - Chineses will do. There is a need for rappers, politicians, porn/pop-culture/movie makes, TV talking heads, journalists, football- basketbal players, etc, - and we have the best ones. You need competent technicians? - there is an army of Mexicans, they are ready to send their children to learn - for a lot less, than an American would be asking.

Well lets see if the US outsources all of it's jobs just what the heck are we supposed to do for money? We were told not to worry about the loss of most manufacturing jobs because our citizens of the future were going to have a great economy built on programming, science, and tech jobs. But now those are being outsourced too. Even our own governement outsources computer programming jobs.....that really makes me angry. Our tax dollars are going to a government that turns around and hires non-citizens to do work because it saves money.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

If US needed engineers we would have them, and Bill Gates would be spending his millions in charities not in India, but in NY city.

I'm sure he's making a lot of money by giving it away to India...

Well lets see if the US outsources all of it's jobs just what the heck are we supposed to do for money? We were told not to worry about the loss of most manufacturing jobs because our citizens of the future were going to have a great economy built on programming, science, and tech jobs. But now those are being outsourced too. Even our own governement outsources computer programming jobs.....that really makes me angry. Our tax dollars are going to a government that turns around and hires non-citizens to do work because it saves money.

Conservatives believe in Capitalism, but also hate outsourcing (usually). I'm I seeing a contradiction?

If they'll do it cheaper, then capitalism would have us hire them.

 

[talloulou]

Conservatives believe in Capitalism, but also hate outsourcing (usually). I'm I seeing a contradiction?

If they'll do it cheaper, then capitalism would have us hire them.

Yeah, well guess what.... I'm going to have to be completely honest here and let you know I don't exactly understand whether or not we have true capitalism today in the US nor do I understand enough economics to understand all that it implies especially when relating to a globalized economy. It's all a bit over my head. So saying I believe in Capitalism is a bit of a stretch since I doubt I could even write a high school level paper on it at this point. I do understand that big corporations have too much say in our government and I also understand that the government interferes in private businesses when it suits them to do so....how all that ties in to capitalism is where I'm in over my head.

I do hate that corporations are outsourcing more and more jobs but I wouldn't have the government force them to stop doing that however I do have a real problem with my tax dollars leaving our economy to go elsewhere vs hiring our citizens to do the work.

While I don't understand capitalism I do have a strong sense of nationalism:2razz:

 

[Alastor]

Yeah, well guess what.... I'm going to have to be completely honest here and let you know I don't exactly understand whether or not we have true capitalism today in the US nor do I understand enough economics to understand all that it implies especially when relating to a globalized economy. It's all a bit over my head. So saying I believe in Capitalism is a bit of a stretch since I doubt I could even write a high school level paper on it at this point. I do understand that big corporations have too much say in our government and I also understand that the government interferes in private businesses when it suits them to do so....how all that ties in to capitalism is where I'm in over my head.

I do hate that corporations are outsourcing more and more jobs but I wouldn't have the government force them to stop doing that however I do have a real problem with my tax dollars leaving our economy to go elsewhere vs hiring our citizens to do the work.

While I don't understand capitalism I do have a strong sense of nationalism:2razz:

"Capitalism," just as "democarcy" and "happy" comes in many different shades, and isn't a specific definition as much as a general principal.

 

[Kelzie]

Yeah, well guess what.... I'm going to have to be completely honest here and let you know I don't exactly understand whether or not we have true capitalism today in the US nor do I understand enough economics to understand all that it implies especially when relating to a globalized economy. It's all a bit over my head. So saying I believe in Capitalism is a bit of a stretch since I doubt I could even write a high school level paper on it at this point. I do understand that big corporations have too much say in our government and I also understand that the government interferes in private businesses when it suits them to do so....how all that ties in to capitalism is where I'm in over my head.

I do hate that corporations are outsourcing more and more jobs but I wouldn't have the government force them to stop doing that however I do have a real problem with my tax dollars leaving our economy to go elsewhere vs hiring our citizens to do the work.

While I don't understand capitalism I do have a strong sense of nationalism:2razz:

True capitalism doesn't exist. The US (and every other country) is a capitalist/socialist hybrid. That's why businesses have a say in government and government has a say in business.

 

[-Demosthenes-]

Yeah, well guess what.... I'm going to have to be completely honest here and let you know I don't exactly understand whether or not we have true capitalism today in the US...

We do not. See post #45:

True capitalism doesn't exist. The US (and every other country) is a capitalist/socialist hybrid. That's why businesses have a say in government and government has a say in business.

I do understand that big corporations have too much say in our government and I also understand that the government interferes in private businesses when it suits them to do so....how all that ties in to capitalism is where I'm in over my head.

I do hate that corporations are outsourcing more and more jobs but I wouldn't have the government force them to stop doing that however I do have a real problem with my tax dollars leaving our economy to go elsewhere vs hiring our citizens to do the work.

While not capitalist (true capitalist), that is reasonable.

 

[128shot]

Hint: History and Political Science are slack majors, unless you also look up to english majors. And perhaps if you'd been sober in class you'd have realized this.

Not to mention that the United States doesn't need more soft majors, it needs engineers, scientists, and competent technicians, though I have to confess that my own job security is enhanced greatly by the laziness of the American student and the negative image engineers have in the popular culture, both of which serve to depress the number of students willing to do what it takes to become useful.

what is this negative imagine on engineers?