Do we really need to debate this?

[Hamish Howl]

Then I have no idea what your complaint is. You’d have to point to specifics rather than vague protestations about how crucified Christians are in the United States of America.

Please, go on.

Baby Jesus won't do his voodoo if we don't put the 10 Commandments on every vertical surface.

 

[Hamish Howl]

ANTIFA is as "anti" fascist as the DPRK is "democratic"


ANTIFA is the most Fascist group of terrorists since the Nazi Brown shirts that they are identical to.

You're adorable.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

ANTIFA is as "anti" fascist as the DPRK is "democratic"


ANTIFA is the most Fascist group of terrorists since the Nazi Brown shirts that they are identical to.

Then what do you call these guys:

“White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.“

DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat - POLITICO

How come they aren’t Biden supporters?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

Baby Jesus won't do his voodoo if we don't put the 10 Commandments on every vertical surface.

I wonder how many of our christian fellas will pass “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” when they meed Senior Jesus at the pearly gates of PF chang’s?

 

[Dayton3]

Baby Jesus won't do his voodoo if we don't put the 10 Commandments on every vertical surface.

Can people like you do anything but build strawman?

 

[Ontologuy]

Are we really trying to figure out who to vote for individually and nationally?

Well, about 4% are. I'm pretty sure the rest know how they will vote, and for most of them on the left and a good chunk on the right, likely for the wrong reasons.

I can give you a pass for 2016 begrudgingly because I know right wing media has been after the Clintons since 92

There is no right wing media.

I recall 2016, there was the usual lame-stream media (MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC and the leftist like) all really caught up in their Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS).

The problem is that they, yes, the lame-stream media, were not all that super thrilled with Hillary, because, as we all know, if we're honest, she is just plain mean-spirited.

and if you watch that crap you have been indoctrinated.

Probably the only media worth watching is Fox, as they're moderate.

I know, I know, nearly everyone on the left says Fox is conservative.

But that doesn't jibe with the fact that Fox and Trump have had many battles over the years -- Fox is clearly not a rubber stamp for Trump.

Plus Trump isn't really all that conservative, as he's clearly a bit left of typical conservative, attested by his success internationally (peace treaties and all), as well as by his get-it-done attitude that differs from both liberals and conservatives, as both typical-politician liberals and conservatives prefer to keep things undone and unsolved so they can use them as campaign issues each election.

No, the reason all the leftists think Fox is conservative is because of the leftists' typical myopia -- when they look to the right, everything is distant from where they are, and so everything to the right of them just blurs together and thus moderate just looks conservative to them.

It's an error in the leftists’ perception.

But now after over three years of daily madness,

There hasn't been any "daily madness" coming from the White House.

There's daily madness coming from BLM's "cancel culture" mobs at universities for more than a few years now.

And, of course, there's daily madness from the leftist lame-stream media press corps.

But, really, that's all.

after countless examples of Trumps unfitness for the office

Well, Trump isn't exactly your usual run of the mill politico. But that doesn't make him unfit for office .. and it actually might make him even more fit.

When you look at international peace treaties, hard-nose negotiating with China and Iran, solving relations with North Korea, straight talk with Russia that's kept them an ally .. plus doing away with that job-killing NAFTA and bringing a ton of jobs back to America, using smart tariffs, reducing offshoring and outsourcing, and even in-sourcing, I mean, the list goes on. He even kept Americans from panicking in the pandemic which likely otherwise would have killed millions.

Trump is clearly more fit than anyone from 2016 .. and definitely more fit than Harris .. I mean, Biden-Harris.

you still want to vote for him,

Well .. yes!

All good things considered, why wouldn’t we?

that I cannot excuse. I have notified my facebook friends that if they are Trump supporters, I want nothing to do with them.

Yes, I know.

I have friends left and right of me on FB. The main difference between them is that my friends on the right aren't wanting to end their friendships with those who vote for Harris .. sorry, did it again .. Biden-Harris. But my friends on the left they are quick to end relationships with anyone who votes for Trump.

Why is that, I wonder? Why does the left so want to "cancel culture" all their friends?

Indeed, one of my friends on the left told me in a phone call when I had told him I wasn't in the mood to talk politics, that he had no friends on the right, that if he finds anyone he knows is going to vote for Trump, he will just say good-bye to 'em.

What could make people want to end relationships over how they vote?

And why is that essentially a leftist syndrome?

The gulf between us is too wide, it is like rooting for the guys who beat protesters in Selma.

Well .. okay. But I'm sure your friendships weren't just about politics. There must be something of value with these people that got you both together.

And besides, most of the people on the right are opposed to people beating on others -- heck, I'm pretty sure they're opposed to BLM rioters beating on innocent people. You must have something there in common.

 

[Ontologuy]

There is no moral case for wanting Trump to continue his assault on everything all of us have cherished for generations.

Huh? What?

Most of us have cherished our Constitution, our nation, our flag and the pledge, our freedom and security, liberty and justice, our soldiers and police who protect us from criminals, opportunities galore for everyone, freedom of religion, all of the Amendments, and on and on ... .

Trump is in favor of and supports all of that.

I can't imagine what it is you're referring to here.

You can spout some silly argument until your fingers ache but decent people have had enough. The world has had enough.

Huh? Again, what the heck are you talking about?

I mean, yeah, I'm no fan of some of Trump's quirky personality-isms, and I don't think a President should ever tweet, as that's egregious pandering to the max and way beneath the dignity of the office while the President is in office and even afterwards.

But that's not really that big a deal.

Lying?

Well hell, all politicians lie, or conceal the truth for national security reasons. My guess is that Hillary and Biden have told way, way more lies than Trump, seeing as how they've been true politicians way, way longer than Trump.

But, what can be done about politicians lying. They all do it, and many of them do it way more than Trump does!

What is the source of your rage?

Again .. what???

The only one apparently raging here .. is you!

You're like raging at Trump! So your statement here is clear projection.

I've noticed that with leftists, though -- it's really a ton of emotionalism with them about Trump. You guys are all raging at him as if he's some bad guy from your personal past you never really dealt with emotionally.

Indeed, transferred and displaced suppressed feelings and actions about unresolved people and issues from their childhood has been shown to be the source of leftists' Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS), and that it really has essentially nothing to do with Trump himself -- he's just the constructed "lightning rod" for the transference and displacement.

Why are you so angry and bitter? You must dig into yourself and ask those questions before you can regain any sense of worth to me and countless millions.

Seriously, leftists all need to say these exact words you've just written here, over and over again .. into a mirror.

Then find a good therapist and deal with their unresolved past instead of transferring and displacing it into the public political arena.

No, I will not forgive you for voting for him,

"The ‘cancel culture’ is deep with this one, it is, yes.", said Yoda.

I will do anything I can to prevent us from suffering another four years of this insanity.

Again, what? What "insanity"?

The only insanity out there these days is the Marxist organization Black Lives Matter (BLM), which is acting more Nazi than Marxist, what with all their conspiracy theory mass hysteria insanity about racism when there simply was no racism issues in America these days prior to the existence of BLM! Now, thanks to BLM's mass hysteria, racism is all people can talk about and way, way, way too many people are being falsely accused of being racist and condemned, not too differently from how the Jews in Germany in the late 1930s and early 1940s were falsely branded .. and condemned.

But other than BLM, there's no "insanity" anywhere out there, especially in the White House.


It's merely highly contagious leftist TDS that's manufacturing the fantasy of alleged insanity.

Are you a good person or not? That is the essential question each of us must ask before voting.

No, that's simply not true.

We're all good people, left and right and center. Some of us, on the left, have been seduced and duped into cultist hysteria about absolute fantasies .. and some of us on the right might be blind to Trump's personality quirks and undignified tweeting .. .. but those of us at the center don't really care about "identity politics" personality this or that's -- we're all good people and those of us good people who are voting for Trump .. and for many, it's more that we're voting against Biden-Harris (hey -- I got it right this time!) than voting “for” Trump .. we're more focused on socioeconomics and jobs and keeping America capitalist strong as opposed to the left's socialist weak.

We're all good people.

We just have a different perspective on politics.

So don’t give up your friends on the right. They have value to offer you, just as you have value to offer them.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Can people like you do anything but build strawman?

:lol:

You said what you said.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I wonder how many of our christian fellas will pass “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” when they meed Senior Jesus at the pearly gates of PF chang’s?

They're already ****ed just on account of wearing mixed fabrics. May as well go for broke.

 

[Dayton3]

:lol:

You said what you said.

I said nothing whatsoever about "putting the Ten Commandments on every vertical surface"

 

[Dayton3]

They're already ****ed just on account of wearing mixed fabrics. May as well go for broke.

That is in the Old Testament. It does not apply to Christians.

 

[Dayton3]

I wonder how many of our christian fellas will pass “thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife” when they meed Senior Jesus at the pearly gates of PF chang’s?

I could pass that quite easily.

 

[Jay59]

Then what do you call these guys: “White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.“DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat - POLITICO How come they aren’t Biden supporters?

I thought it was obvious--white supremecists don't get along with BLM and similar groups.

Uncensored2008 has a point about Antifa acting like fascists. It's worth noting that the report backed off the gravest threat part of the header. Antifa may have moved up.

Can people like you do anything but build strawman?

Hamish howls. It's what he does. Don't expect facts from him any more than from Auntie

 

[Aunt Antifa]

I thought it was obvious--white supremecists don't get along with BLM and similar groups.

Uncensored2008 has a point about Antifa acting like fascists. It's worth noting that the report backed off the gravest threat part of the header. Antifa may have moved up.


Hamish howls. It's what he does. Don't expect facts from him any more than from Auntie

I didn’t ask you why they didn;t get along with BLM. I asked you why they’re not supportive of Biden and his agenda.

 

[Jay59]

I didn’t ask you why they didn;t get along with BLM. I asked you why they’re not supportive of Biden and his agenda.

You have the answer, even stating it. Ouch.

If you don't get it when it taps you on the shoulder, how will you recognize the answer if you have to go looking for it?

 

[Aunt Antifa]

You have the answer, even stating it. Ouch.

If you don't get it when it taps you on the shoulder, how will you recognize the answer if you have to go looking for it?

I’m guessing you just like saying these words and that’s about it. When you are ready to prove me wrong, I’ll consider your argument.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Then what do you call these guys:

“White supremacists present the gravest terror threat to the United States, according to a draft report from the Department of Homeland Security.“

DHS draft document: White supremacists are greatest terror threat - POLITICO

How come they aren’t Biden supporters?

{A new video from Saturday’s rally in Portland shows Antifa criminals macing an elderly man in the face while attacking another man with a crowbar

The vicious assault was even more brutal than that sustained by Andy Ngo, who was doused with quick drying cement hidden in milkshakes.

“Portland Antifa beats an elderly man bloody with a crowbar. As another man attempts to help, he is hit in head with crowbar then sprayed in face with mace,” tweeted the woman who posted the video.}

New Video Shows Antifa Crowbar Attack, Macing of Elderly Man – Summit News


{Two women in their seventies who were attacked by Antifa terrorists Thursday night as they tried to defend the East Precinct of the Portland Bureau of Police spoke to local TV station KGW about the attacks. One woman had her face concealed from the TV camera during her interview, apparently afraid of further attack by Antifa.}

PORTLAND UPDATE: Elderly Women Speak Out After Being Attacked by Antifa for Defending Police Precinct

{Antifa and Black Lives Matter protesters in Portland bully an elderly motorist, verbally attack a senior citizen in a wheelchair and disrupt traffic during a weekend demonstration caught in a series of stunning videos -- that also show no police presence as the chaos unfolds.

The group of more than 100 people initially began marching through the streets of the Oregon city Saturday to protest the death of Patrick Kimmons, who was fatally shot by police Sept. 30 after a gunfight that left two men wounded at a parking lot near Southwest Third Avenue.}

Portland Antifa protesters caught on video bullying elderly motorist, woman in wheelchair | Fox News


The democrat terrorist and their Brown Shirt thugs, ANTIFA, are no different than ISIS.

 

[Jay59]

I’m guessing you just like saying these words and that’s about it. When you are ready to prove me wrong, I’ll consider your argument.

:lamo

You still don't get that you lost. You even stated the refutation of your argument, but you still don't get it. That's funny.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

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{A new video from Saturday’s rally in Portland shows Antifa criminals macing an elderly man in the face while attacking another man with a crowbar

The vicious assault was even more brutal than that sustained by Andy Ngo, who was doused with quick drying cement hidden in milkshakes.

“Portland Antifa beats an elderly man bloody with a crowbar. As another man attempts to help, he is hit in head with crowbar then sprayed in face with mace,” tweeted the woman who posted the video.}

New Video Shows Antifa Crowbar Attack, Macing of Elderly Man – Summit News


{Two women in their seventies who were attacked by Antifa terrorists Thursday night as they tried to defend the East Precinct of the Portland Bureau of Police spoke to local TV station KGW about the attacks. One woman had her face concealed from the TV camera during her interview, apparently afraid of further attack by Antifa.}

PORTLAND UPDATE: Elderly Women Speak Out After Being Attacked by Antifa for Defending Police Precinct

{Antifa and Black Lives Matter protesters in Portland bully an elderly motorist, verbally attack a senior citizen in a wheelchair and disrupt traffic during a weekend demonstration caught in a series of stunning videos -- that also show no police presence as the chaos unfolds.

The group of more than 100 people initially began marching through the streets of the Oregon city Saturday to protest the death of Patrick Kimmons, who was fatally shot by police Sept. 30 after a gunfight that left two men wounded at a parking lot near Southwest Third Avenue.}

Portland Antifa protesters caught on video bullying elderly motorist, woman in wheelchair | Fox News


The democrat terrorist and their Brown Shirt thugs, ANTIFA, are no different than ISIS.

Not according to Trump’s DHS.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Not according to Trump’s DHS.

{June 2016:

– Protesters jumped on cars, stole hats, fought with and threw eggs at Trump supporters outside a Trump rally in downtown San Jose, Calif. Trump supporters sued San Jose over the violence.

July 2016:

-A Hillary Clinton supporter lights a flag on fire and attacks a Trump supporter in Pittsburgh.

August 2016:

-Anti-Trump protesters attacked pushed, spit on and verbally harassed attendees forced to walk a “gauntlet” as they left a Trump fundraiser in Minneapolis, Minn., and beat an elderly man. Protesters also attacked Trump’s motorcade.

–A Tennessee man was assaulted at a garage sale for being a Trump supporter.

-A Trump supporter in New Jersey was attacked with a crowbar on the street.

September 2016:

-Protesters in El Cajon, Calif., chased and beat up a Trump supporter.

October 2016:

-A GOP office in North Carolina was firebombed and spray painted with “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

November 2016:

-A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.

-The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.

-Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.

-A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

-A group of black men in Chicago attacked a white man while raging against Trump.

-Maryland high school students punched a student who was demonstrating in support of Trump, and then kicked him repeatedly while he was on the ground.

-“You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,” a California high school student yelled at a Trump supporter, before viciously beating the girl.

-An anti-bullying ambassador was arrested for shoving a 74-year-old man to the ground in a fight outside Trump tower where people upset over his win had gathered. The woman tied to Black Lives Matter caused the man to hit his head on the sidewalk.

-A Texas elementary school student was beaten by his classmates for voting for Trump in a mock election.

-Two men punched and kicked a Connecticut man who was standing with an American flag and a Trump sign.

December 2016:

-A Trump supporter was beaten and dragged by a car.

January 2017:

-A Trump supporter was knocked unconscious after airport protesters repeatedly beat him on the head.

-A Trump supporter was attacked after putting out a fire started by anti-Trump protesters.

-When Trump protesters encountered a driver with a pro-Trump flag on his car, they surrounded the vehicle, ripped off and began burning the flag, and pounded the car. They also punctured the tires.

February 2017:

-California GOP Rep. Tom McClintock had to be escorted to his car after a town hall because of angry protesters. The tires of at least four vehicles were slashed.

-Protestors knocked a 71-year-old female staffer for California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher unconscious during a protest outside the representative’s office.

-Milo Yiannopoulos speech at the University of California-Berkeley was cancelled after rioters set the campus on fire and threw rocks through windows. Milo tweeted that one of his supporters wearing a Trump hat was thrown to the ground and kicked.
}

This List Of Attacks Against Conservatives Is Mind Blowing | The Daily Caller

The democrat Brown Shirts of ANTIFA are no different than ISIS or Al Qaeda, and should be dealt with the same way.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

{June 2016:

– Protesters jumped on cars, stole hats, fought with and threw eggs at Trump supporters outside a Trump rally in downtown San Jose, Calif. Trump supporters sued San Jose over the violence.

July 2016:

-A Hillary Clinton supporter lights a flag on fire and attacks a Trump supporter in Pittsburgh.

August 2016:

-Anti-Trump protesters attacked pushed, spit on and verbally harassed attendees forced to walk a “gauntlet” as they left a Trump fundraiser in Minneapolis, Minn., and beat an elderly man. Protesters also attacked Trump’s motorcade.

–A Tennessee man was assaulted at a garage sale for being a Trump supporter.

-A Trump supporter in New Jersey was attacked with a crowbar on the street.

September 2016:

-Protesters in El Cajon, Calif., chased and beat up a Trump supporter.

October 2016:

-A GOP office in North Carolina was firebombed and spray painted with “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

November 2016:

-A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.

-The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.

-Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.

-A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

-A group of black men in Chicago attacked a white man while raging against Trump.

-Maryland high school students punched a student who was demonstrating in support of Trump, and then kicked him repeatedly while he was on the ground.

-“You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,” a California high school student yelled at a Trump supporter, before viciously beating the girl.

-An anti-bullying ambassador was arrested for shoving a 74-year-old man to the ground in a fight outside Trump tower where people upset over his win had gathered. The woman tied to Black Lives Matter caused the man to hit his head on the sidewalk.

-A Texas elementary school student was beaten by his classmates for voting for Trump in a mock election.

-Two men punched and kicked a Connecticut man who was standing with an American flag and a Trump sign.

December 2016:

-A Trump supporter was beaten and dragged by a car.

January 2017:

-A Trump supporter was knocked unconscious after airport protesters repeatedly beat him on the head.

-A Trump supporter was attacked after putting out a fire started by anti-Trump protesters.

-When Trump protesters encountered a driver with a pro-Trump flag on his car, they surrounded the vehicle, ripped off and began burning the flag, and pounded the car. They also punctured the tires.

February 2017:

-California GOP Rep. Tom McClintock had to be escorted to his car after a town hall because of angry protesters. The tires of at least four vehicles were slashed.

-Protestors knocked a 71-year-old female staffer for California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher unconscious during a protest outside the representative’s office.

-Milo Yiannopoulos speech at the University of California-Berkeley was cancelled after rioters set the campus on fire and threw rocks through windows. Milo tweeted that one of his supporters wearing a Trump hat was thrown to the ground and kicked.
}

This List Of Attacks Against Conservatives Is Mind Blowing | The Daily Caller

The democrat Brown Shirts of ANTIFA are no different than ISIS or Al Qaeda, and should be dealt with the same way.

...and yet DHS labeled white right wing guys as the most dangerous domestic terrorist threat. What does the DHS know that the Daily Caller does not?

 

[Helix]

True;

Trump wins and America continues.

If Harris/Xi win, America is over, the grand experiment in self-government ends and we return to the historical norm of a tiny elite ruling a vast underclass.

This is plebiscite on America and the Constitution.

Propaganda.

 

[Hamish Howl]

That is in the Old Testament. It does not apply to Christians.

Matthew 5:17, my dude.

 

[Hamish Howl]

The vicious assault was even more brutal than that sustained by Andy Ngo, who was doused with quick drying cement hidden in milkshakes.

Next time he gets the soup can.

 

[Dayton3]

Matthew 5:17, my dude.

That isn't what you think it means.