Do we need WWIII?

[Bum]

Anyone knows Putin is a gangster who robs his people and transformes the country in a prison, but do we really need a war with Russia.
Anyone shall know Biden as potus does WWIII unavoidable and almost 100% certain.
Do we really need it, additionally to Covid-1984?
Just think about aftermaths.

I'm gonna go with "No".

 

[Guyzilla]

Anyone knows Putin is a gangster who robs his people and transformes the country in a prison, but do we really need a war with Russia.
Anyone shall know Biden as potus does WWIII unavoidable and almost 100% certain.
Do we really need it, additionally to Covid-1984?
Just think about aftermaths.

That is ridiculous, I have it on good authority, that man is incapable of global climate change.

 

[MSgt]

There is no after in WWIII, only mutually assured destruction.

1) Not necessarily. Analysts believe that the next great war will be centered around the Middle East and that oil will be the primary issue. Oil was actually a huge underlying factor for both WWI and WWII, and throughout the Cold War. In the post-Cold War era oil became a publicized factor with the Gulf War; and then after 9/11 oil tried to pretend to be an underlying factor again with the invasion of Iraq. As China's population grows, China becomes exponentially thirsty for oil. China also knows what the rest of the global powers know - one may not build grand armies without it. This is why China's geopolitics in the Pacific and in the Middle East includes oil as a primary focus. Obama went to address this, but was stupid in his absolutism in regards to his "pivot to Asia" policy. Part of this pivot was based on foolish domestic politics, which demanded that we be rid of the Middle East. But as long as oil flows from the Middle East we can never be free of our policy there. Now, we have four things encouraging trouble ahead:

- Obama and Congress shrugged at the Arab Spring, which allowed Islamist-supporting states (Saudis, Qatar, Iran) to inject their influence over democracy and capitalism.
- Trump walked away from TPP. This was a billion-dollar deal that locked the Pacific into exclusive internal trade with the U.S., that also locked China out. This was effectively a defense pact.
- Trump's domestic-political, unwitting blunder with Iran has already pushed that oil supply towards China's orbit and opened a window to the Middle East.
- Trump's malicious betrayal of the Kurds handed Syria over to Russian and Iranian influence.

Both China and Russia have long been eager to push into the Middle East. Our enemies, since Obama abruptly and stupidly pulled the troops from Iraq in 2009~10, have steadily been gifted political influence across the region. We have allies who rely on that oil. These allies are stuck bending towards whoever controls the political influence within. We saw this in 2017~2018 when Trump tabled TTIP for a year and Western Europe had to bend towards Putin's pipeline diplomacy. Will this eventually develop into war as oil becomes less and less abundant? Yup. History is full of wars that center around resources. But now, even the global economy is attached to the oil.

2) In terms of nuclear weapons, the great powers will not be the problem. It is highly doubtful that the responsible powers will use them. And even if Iran does develop a nuke, it is highly doubtful that it will be eager to be annihilated, unless it becomes clear that going out with a bang is more favorable to being conquered and subjugated again. This would be a great time to go ahead and take out Israel too. But North Korea is an asshole. That rogue dictator will exploit the situation to parade himself around. He may excite a local situation with South Korea or Japan and do what the other nuclear powers will not. Obviously, this would be suicide. But the history here involves a North Korea that was on the receiving end of nuclear training exercises for decades before it tested its first nuke in 2006. It may escalate conditions where a stand-off with the U.S. occurs. And North Korea belongs to China. China would be in the Middle East. The U.S. (and allies) would be in the Middle East. Russia is also a fellow communist state and would be in the Middle East. This would be a good time to move to Argentina.

 

[Alfons]

1) Not necessarily.

You're completely wrong. Even Trump wasn't crazy enough to start WWIII.
The true bosses of Biden already showed they care a sh... about us, who launched the Covid-1984 scamdemic and want to vaccinate us.
You can be almost 100% sure the 'president elect' and his 'team' will almost immediately try to get back Crimea and Donbas.
The aftermaths you can see below

 

[grip]

1) Not necessarily. Analysts believe that the next great war will be centered around the Middle East and that oil will be the primary issue. Oil was actually a huge underlying factor for both WWI and WWII, and throughout the Cold War. In the post-Cold War era oil became a publicized factor with the Gulf War; and then after 9/11 oil tried to pretend to be an underlying factor again with the invasion of Iraq. As China's population grows, China becomes exponentially thirsty for oil. China also knows what the rest of the global powers know - one may not build grand armies without it. This is why China's geopolitics in the Pacific and in the Middle East includes oil as a primary focus. Obama went to address this, but was stupid in his absolutism in regards to his "pivot to Asia" policy. Part of this pivot was based on foolish domestic politics, which demanded that we be rid of the Middle East. But as long as oil flows from the Middle East we can never be free of our policy there. Now, we have four things encouraging trouble ahead:

- Obama and Congress shrugged at the Arab Spring, which allowed Islamist-supporting states (Saudis, Qatar, Iran) to inject their influence over democracy and capitalism.
- Trump walked away from TPP. This was a billion-dollar deal that locked the Pacific into exclusive internal trade with the U.S., that also locked China out. This was effectively a defense pact.
- Trump's domestic-political, unwitting blunder with Iran has already pushed that oil supply towards China's orbit and opened a window to the Middle East.
- Trump's malicious betrayal of the Kurds handed Syria over to Russian and Iranian influence.

Both China and Russia have long been eager to push into the Middle East. Our enemies, since Obama abruptly and stupidly pulled the troops from Iraq in 2009~10, have steadily been gifted political influence across the region. We have allies who rely on that oil. These allies are stuck bending towards whoever controls the political influence within. We saw this in 2017~2018 when Trump tabled TTIP for a year and Western Europe had to bend towards Putin's pipeline diplomacy. Will this eventually develop into war as oil becomes less and less abundant? Yup. History is full of wars that center around resources. But now, even the global economy is attached to the oil.

2) In terms of nuclear weapons, the great powers will not be the problem. It is highly doubtful that the responsible powers will use them. And even if Iran does develop a nuke, it is highly doubtful that it will be eager to be annihilated, unless it becomes clear that going out with a bang is more favorable to being conquered and subjugated again. This would be a great time to go ahead and take out Israel too. But North Korea is an asshole. That rogue dictator will exploit the situation to parade himself around. He may excite a local situation with South Korea or Japan and do what the other nuclear powers will not. Obviously, this would be suicide. But the history here involves a North Korea that was on the receiving end of nuclear training exercises for decades before it tested its first nuke in 2006. It may escalate conditions where a stand-off with the U.S. occurs. And North Korea belongs to China. China would be in the Middle East. The U.S. (and allies) would be in the Middle East. Russia is also a fellow communist state and would be in the Middle East. This would be a good time to move to Argentina.

Oil is still an important resource but the ME reserves are not the only game in town since fracking, shale, tar sands, and other methods have been incorporated.

You do realize that nuclear bombs release electromagnetic pulses that knock out power grids? Whatever part of the population and infrastructure that hasn't been vaporized or irradiated will have to try and supply themselves with fresh water, food, and other needed supplies, while dealing with roaming mobs of desperate and deadly survivors. The disease from rotting carcasses alone would be devastating, much less today's people's inability to supply themselves with the bare necessities.

Who wants to really even face that scenario? We're barely handling a mild pandemic.

I believe the major powers do NOT want conflict at any cost but once a strategic mistake is made, then retaliated on, the responses begin to rapidly escalate. The more probable scenario is 2 smaller nuke nations, like India and Pakistan, start lobbing tactical nukes in a limited exchange that draws in regional nations. From there the race to all-out war is on.

 

[Questerr]

I think that if WW3 happens, it will be primarily in the Middle East

Any WW3 in the Middle East would be impossible. The forces there just don't exist. It would transform from high intensity conflict to a low intensity conflict within 2 weesk, a month at the most.

 

[MSgt]

Oil is still an important resource but the ME reserves are not the only game in town since fracking, shale, tar sands, and other methods have been incorporated.

Yes. But crude oil is crude oil; and the Middle East will always be the strategic center of attention. Throughout history, well before oil, influence and control of this geographic cross roads has always been a matter of foreign policy. Even during the Crusades the obnoxious religious cry for war masked lucrative trades. As I stated before, one of China's documented foreign policy and active programs is reestablishing the Silk Road. This has a lot more to do than just oil. But oil is a chief factor.

You do realize that nuclear bombs release electromagnetic pulses that knock out power grids? Whatever part of the population and infrastructure that hasn't been vaporized or irradiated will have to try and supply themselves with fresh water, food, and other needed supplies, while dealing with roaming mobs of desperate and deadly survivors. The disease from rotting carcasses alone would be devastating, much less today's people's inability to supply themselves with the bare necessities.

Who wants to really even face that scenario? <SNIP>

Exactly. Nobody, which is I why I stated that nuclear weapons would not be an issue for the great powers. Iran, if developed, would use them in the last second of survival. Desperation easily turns the rational, irrational. Then there is North Korea, who likes to push matters to the brink off and on, for often no real reason at all.

I believe the major powers do NOT want conflict at any cost but once a strategic mistake is made, then retaliated on, the responses begin to rapidly escalate. The more probable scenario is 2 smaller nuke nations, like India and Pakistan, start lobbing tactical nukes in a limited exchange that draws in regional nations. From there the race to all-out war is on.

That could be a scenario. But India and Pakistan are restrained. They are not irrational players.

- India has always been a non-aligned player (Cold War reference). But, despite India's political games to prove their independence from Cold War demands, they have always leaned towards America's camp over China's. Obama damaged some of that because he somewhat ignored India. But Trump managed to pull India back to its lean. This is one of the very few things that Trump did that was in accordance to his published 2017 National Security Strategy.

- Pakistan has long been wounded. This began with Bush, inherited and followed through under Obama, and inherited and followed through with Trump. Pakistan deserved some of the slight and accusation that it earned, but Pakistan's Generals and politicians are constantly caught between dealing with its radicals and modernists. Sharing a border with Afghanistan and allying with the Taliban had long been in Pakistan's interests before 9/11 for various reasons. And throughout the 1990s, leading up to 9/11, it was Iran and Russia that was working against al-Qaeda in Afghanistan while we supported Pakistan, who supported the Taliban. After attacked, we insisted that Pakistan shift gears. They did and worked with Mattis to get our troops across their airspace. But ties were not so easily severed and this is why Osama Bin Laden was found comfortably next to a Pakistan military base in a widely Taliban sympathetic region along the border. Biden has to be smarter than what Bush, Obama, and Trump were. But, Biden was also the key piece of authority that screwed up Iraq. He was also VP to a President who refused to listen to Clinton and Holbrook in regards to the Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan/India package that would have freed us from obligation a decade ago. So we will see.

BUT, India and Pakistan are rational nuclear players.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Do you believe the mankind matters for politicians?
Look who are siting in any parliament worldwide:
The trash of their peoples, corrupted liars, thieves, criminals and insane.
They will destroy anything, blow up our planet, we are idiots who vote for them.

It appears you have gone a little to far down this road to have some sort of a productive discussion on this but yes I do think politicians have some interest in mankind, it just may be who is included in the list they care about that tells us their intentions.

 

[VySky]

America will never be the same, now is as a good time as any to take a nuke on the chin

 

[rickc]

Wow
More insanity from the right

 

[Moderate Right]

Anyone knows Putin is a gangster who robs his people and transformes the country in a prison, but do we really need a war with Russia.
Anyone shall know Biden as potus does WWIII unavoidable and almost 100% certain.
Do we really need it, additionally to Covid-1984?
Just think about aftermaths.

Democrats are ******s. They will let Putin do what he wants and Iran too, and China. They will let Iran develop nuclear weapons and sell them to our enemies, just as the so called nuclear deal allowed them to do.