Do We Need A Revolution! (1 Viewer)

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

After reading the Declaration of Independence

http://www.archives.gov/national-arc...claration.html

I am convinced that the REP-DEM Dictatorship is just as bad if not
worse that England was.

After all the Corruptions, Waist of Taxpayers money, and over all B.S.
that the REPS&DEMS have brought on to America. I can not understand
why Americans aren't up in arms about what "OUR" leaders are doing to
us!

Maybe not a war(Revolution) but voting out all Corrupt (All) REPS&DEMS.
As soon as Americans get use to voting out bad politicians, Politicians will
get use to doing a good job. It doesn’t work in the reverse order!

 

[Alastor]

I'm more a fan of reform or electing new officials and forcing new laws (anti-corruption and stronger checks and balances) than of revolution. The system isn't really broken, we just have a lot of folks out there abusing it. We need to take our government back; not tear it apart.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Good question, if "We the People" are the government than why is it us vs. them in many senses; and why does it seem they are so distant and isolated? People are basically lazy and they want the easy way out and voted so just for that--that includes both parties and it includes the "I don't care--I don't vote types" also. It's like the trash in the neighborhood, it's in your yard and it's not yours and you pick it up and give it back to the original owners-- they get upset you returned it, insults, tempers and shouts were exchanged. Next time you don't pick it up, you let blow into the next yard, eventually you want to get even or don't care and let your garbage get away and the problem gets out of hand and a resolution is made. All the citizens have to do is pay somebody to pick it up, pass a law that someone can come onto your property to pick it up and solution solved? Nope--it's just a slippery slope.

Come this election were going to have the numerous morally and ethically bankrupt claim the ole "I had to vote for the Lesser evil" excuse and yet did they help build a third party so they could possibly win? Nope. They had to post on DP, tv time, trivial hobbies, smoke, drink, party, concerts, professional sports, etc., So the question isn't why aren't the people up in arms or at least voting themselves to be responsible and working--it's going to be how does one get the butt off that couch.

 

[TurtleDude]

just get some judges who actually respect the constitution and are not bound by bad precedent (such as the crap issued by the FDR lapdog courts in the 30's)and start enforcing the tenth amendment and most of the garbage will dissipate after those addicted to the unconstitutional handouts dies off

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

Jefferson thought we needed a new revolution every generation-- every twenty years or so. Our last revolution was one hundred and forty years ago.

I'm still waiting for any kind of evidence that he was wrong.

 

[Whip]

A physical overthrow of the US government is probably the only alternative to their madness. Voting out one administration will only bring in another of the same regime. It is not the figure heads who make the policies, it is those who work behind them such as AIPAC, who make the decisions and the laws under which we suffer.

Jefferson said each generation. I don't think that would be neccessary if the threat was always there and the people were informed and willing and armed.

 

[Medussa]

voting out bad politicians

You know a good one?
Besides, people are voted in. They are there because obviously the majority likes them. So how will a revolution help? Unless it's the majority, who will now be going against the people they actually voted for in the first place.

 

[t125eagle]

Jefferson thought we needed a new revolution every generation-- every twenty years or so. Our last revolution was one hundred and forty years ago.

I'm still waiting for any kind of evidence that he was wrong.

if that were the case, would we be any better than the French?? they have had numerous revolutions and countless constitutions. and where has that gotten them?

 

[TurtleDude]

if that were the case, would we be any better than the French?? they have had numerous revolutions and countless constitutions. and where has that gotten them?

a huge amount of cultural arrogance, overpriced wine and hosiery and lousy automobiles

 

[GarzaUK]

Bi-partisanism is tearing America apart. The American electoral system is seriously outdated. America would benefit from a multi-party government rather than a two party government. Democracy is about choice.

 

[Goobieman]

Bi-partisanism is tearing America apart. The American electoral system is seriously outdated. America would benefit from a multi-party government rather than a two party government. Democracy is about choice.

There isnt anything in the US system that precludes a multi-party government. People here choose to vote for the 2 major parties; nothing in our system precludes them for voting for someone else.

Never mind that there is no inherent virtue in a multi-party system.

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

There isnt anything in the US system that precludes a multi-party government. People here choose to vote for the 2 major parties; nothing in our system precludes them for voting for someone else.

Never mind that there is no inherent virtue in a multi-party system.

Well There might not be laws to band a multi-party system but there are
institutional "Hooks" (For a lack of a better word) that makes it nearly
impossible to become Prez.

Remember:
In 1992
Ross Perot had 18% of the peoples Vote and 0% of the Electoral
College vote!

Clinton had 48% of the Peoples Vote but got 70% of the E.C.'s Vote

That means that 18% of America get 0 representation and 48% of America
is a "Majority" ! (You do the Math )

This is a glaring sign of a corrupt political system! No matter if your
a REP or DEM!

And the "Winner Take All" LAW! That's a statistical trick to give more
power/control to less people!

 

[Flea]

Other than a biased poll, I say there is no need for a violent revolution.

Where is it that Jefferson said,

we needed a new revolution every generation-- every twenty years or so

???

Jefferson did say, "–That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

 

[Real Korimyr #9]

13 November 1787, in his letter to William S. Smith:

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. ... And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Not only does he say that there should be frequent armed insurrections against the government, but that the proper course of action for that government is to pardon those who rebel against it after having quelled the rebellion.

Jefferson is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, I do not think this kind of perpetual revolution is possible under a democracy; the people become too complacent... lulled by the governments' supply of bread and circuses.

 

[BodiSatva]

Thomas Jefferson to William Smith
Paris Nov. 13. 1787.

...persevering lying. the British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, & what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. yet where does this anarchy exist? where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? and can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it's natural manure. our Convention has been too much impressed by. . .

The quote works better if major sections are not left out.

The quote is referring to Shays' Rebellion comprised of property-owning, anti-tax rebels who wanted to keep their farms and not lose them to the war debt. Jefferson is NOT advocating rebellion every generation...Jefferson is saying that minor rebellions like this happen more often in other nations and that a bee sting like this once in a while here will keep or Representative Government sharp.

 

[Joby]

There isnt anything in the US system that precludes a multi-party government. People here choose to vote for the 2 major parties; nothing in our system precludes them for voting for someone else.

Never mind that there is no inherent virtue in a multi-party system.

On that line of thinking there is no point of a two party system and we would be much more efficient onder one.

Anyway, yes, the people should take back the country.

If I was prez, i would pass a law saying that if you vote you get something like $50 back on tax refund. a lot more votes would go out.

It's time our tax money stops going to further corporate aims all over the world (i cite latin america and the middle east as the most blatant examples) and use it on...americans.

 

[GarzaUK]

Never mind that there is no inherent virtue in a multi-party system.

Really? Only every other democracy on Earth has that system.

If I had to choose between Republican or Democrat, I would stay at home as neither of those parties represent my views.

The USA is the most diverse country in the world. All religions, all races, so many different views on life.
YET you only have TWO parties that can represent this diverse nation.

WTF.

 

[Joby]

Really? Only every other democracy on Earth has that system.

If I had to choose between Republican or Democrat, I would stay at home as neither of those parties represent my views.

The USA is the most diverse country in the world. All religions, all races, so many different views on life.
YET you only have TWO parties that can represent this diverse nation.

WTF.

They're the only two parties that can hold any kind of mass together.

Anyway, it is almost pointless. In europe voting dem-rep would be like picking between two factions of the same right-wing party.

 

[BodiSatva]

Guess nobody cares, hence... no revolution

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

Really? Only every other democracy on Earth has that system.

Ya and nothing ever gets done, if we had a a multi-party system maybe we could be second rate too. The Founding Fathers warned against any parties because they lead to divisiveness and gridlock, boy were they way off.

 

[BodiSatva]

True...

It is a shame that Jefferson and Hamilton were such strong and influential figures and that they viewed so many things esactly oppositely and that they lived at the msame frickin time...

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

Guess nobody cares, hence... no revolution

I don't think it's that nobody cares, I think it's more a sense of
hopelessness. The Rep-Dem Monopoly has had control over American
politics for so long that most people think it's impossible to kick them
out so they don't try.

i.e.
In 1992 Ross Perot had 18% of the peoples Vote and 0% of the Electoral
College vote!

Clinton had 48% of the Peoples Vote but got 70% of the E.C.'s Vote


(FYI this is a glaring sign of a corrupt political system! No matter if your
a REP or DEM!)

But now that things are getting so bad I think more Americans are ready
do some thing about the REP&DEM abuse.

 

[BodiSatva]

I think it's more a sense of hopelessness.

I think that you are right. This is a big part of the issue. Hoplessness...

The Rep-Dem Monopoly has had control over American
politics for so long that most people think it's impossible to kick them
out so they don't try.

Yep. How scary is it that they seem to be buddying up more and more lately. When the Dems/Reps agree, they win and the people lose.

As great as the USA is, it is so freaking corrupt that it staggers the mind.

No Electoral College.
No lobbyists (or at least modify that monster)
More political parties would be nice too...

Just a couple of thoughts

 

[Flea]

More political parties? C'mon! What would that accomplish? If you can't trust you representatives in the two existing parties, then spreading them around won't help either. :doh

 

[doughgirl]

NoMoreDem-Reps said, “I am convinced that the REP-DEM Dictatorship is just as bad if not worse that England was."

You might be right. We certainly are headed that way aren’t we? Thats why I am a registered Independent.

“I can not understand why Americans aren't up in arms about what "OUR" leaders are doing to us!”

Because this is the “me” generation and for the most part unless something affects people directly they don’t care. People are to busy with themselves to care. Look at how many even go to the polls to vote.
We should take responsibility too.

“Maybe not a war(Revolution) but voting out all Corrupt (All) REPS&DEMS.
As soon as Americans get use to voting out bad politicians, Politicians will
get use to doing a good job. It doesn’t work in the reverse order!”

How would we do this? A large majority of them are corrupt and they appear to be something that they really are not. They lie and then somewhere down the road….something perverted or illegal comes out that they have done.
And who would we vote in? In politics obviously morals don’t matter, accountability doesn’t matter and illegal activity is really forgiven easy and quickly forgotten.

Alastor said, “I'm more a fan of reform or electing new officials and forcing new laws (anti-corruption and stronger checks and balances) than of revolution. The system isn't really broken, we just have a lot of folks out there abusing it. We need to take our government back; not tear it apart.”

The system is corrupt and our laws are not fair and balanced. The abuse comes from the top. How do you suggest taking it back?


Navy Seal Patriot…….you made some good comments. For the most part people have no clue to what is going on in government and they don’t care. And like turtledove said, we need judges who do not make law they interpret it, unlike the radical left wing judges who sit on our courts across the nation. (and that especially goes for the Supreme Court)


We have elections coming in November. How many people will actually go vote? How many issues and candidates…….will people really know about enough to make an informed decision?

We have in Arizona over 19 propositions that will be on the ballot. NINETEEN !!!


I’m gonna have to take a cheat sheet in with me to remember how I want to vote on each one.


The commercials are getting heated every day….candidates bashing each other.


I’m with GarzaUK who said,

“ Bi-partisanism is tearing America apart. The American electoral system is seriously outdated. America would benefit from a multi-party government rather than a two party government. Democracy is about choice.”

I will say however our system still is the best……and I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.