That is too much power and something needs to be done about it.
Yes. And who can we depend on to put the " Rich " in their place ?
The Government ? Because these simplistic, lazy and childish agenda's based on envy and a manufactured divisive narratives have done wonders when applied in other Countries.
Wait, you're telling me to keep a balance, we need to help the poor and make sure people have food, healthcare? Socialist. (Seriously though, this makes sense, I've never thought of it like this) But unfortunately, money is linked to power, corporations control the most watched media by the voters, money controls advertisements run.. I wouldn't call it balanced.
Yes, you get back to me when that works.
That is true, but they also have control over the level of protection that those safety nets offer because they control the politicians that put such mechanisms into place in the first place. But I think what disturbs me most of all is the amount of influence that they have on the way people think. That is very disturbing.
Welfare is just mindless statism. People that worship the state are idiots.
Hey, tell that to those who were living under feudalism, It may not seem realistic to you, but that doesn't mean I can't support an idea that is highly plausible in the future.
A system that leads to totalitarianism is never going to be desirable.
Not if everyone collectively works together, in a hypothetical communist society. where such a surplus exists that enough resources exist for everybody.
How else do you propose these people get help? Welfare includes disability as well.. What, will the unregulated free market provide for them?
I threw out socialist as a joke, as that is what most people who don't have a sense of what a socialist is would call you, we've been taught to believe free healthcare and social programs are socialist, well, somewhat..
What communist society has EVER had a surplus of anything other than suffering and police?
they do control the means to steer public opinion, but they steer it in both directions. the general public has the ability to say wait a minute, what? the general public's power is more latent, but my guess is that it is greater. unfortunately, "go team" screws up the signal to noise ratio when it comes to rational discussion. none of us are immune to that, which is also unfortunate.
You would think socialists would look towards the community to help the poor, not the state, but hey, socialists are usually confused about their own ideology.
A communist society would have no state, no money, and no social classes, show me one that has existed. You may be referring to socialist states run by dictators and psychopaths. The basic lack of understanding is astounding.
Not if everyone collectively works together, in a hypothetical communist society. where such a surplus exists that enough resources exist for everybody.
I could agree, if we could somehow get the entire country to help everyone through their communities, it just doesn't happen, which is why socialists look to the state.
You appear to be confused over your goals and actual results.
Mutual aid societies were actually pretty successful and are far closer to socialist ideology than welfare. :shrug:
Not at all, you seem to not understand the difference between a socialist state run by psychopaths and actual communism.
Socialism like modern liberalism usually needs psychopaths to do their dirty work.
Just like the conservatives need psychopaths, this kind of discussion adds nothing to anything.
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