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if you actually pay attention you will see that the system is going to fail sooner or later.
Today is April 15. I thought you were implying that you paid your 2013 taxes today with a check for $200,000. I was going to pull the BS flag. Nevermind. Carry on.
How many decades will I be forced to hear that prediction before it actually comes true? The income tax was implemented in 1913. It was graduated when it started. Even fewer people paid income taxes when it first started and the highest rate was 8%.
I believe so. Depending on your state of residence, you could be paying almost half your total income to the taxman.
a democracy falls apart when the masses learn they can vote themselves the content of the public treasury.
Why aren't welfare programs like AFDC, WIC, food stamps, EIC, CTC more lucrative? Why haven't the poorest 51% of the population made a law that requires the bottom 51% to get an annual check for $100,000 per year?
I would guess that we are at least 1,000 years away from that. Otherwise, how do you explain the very low payouts of government welfare programs? Why is the pay to these influential voters so small? It doesn't add up. Why are these payouts to the poor so meager?
we have less people as net payers now percentage wise. same with SS it seems you won't listen until it happens
then you will be hoping people like me are around/ People who are well armed and well trained
opinion noted not shared.
Seriously?We all spend our money on things that we like. It seems like you like to pay for the luxury of sleeping at night and living with yourself. Not every business owner thinks these things are important.
Not according to the progressive tax supporters.It's your money. You can spend it on whatever you like.
If you want to pay uneccessary employees, then pay uneccessary employees but don't expect me to feel sorry for you. Some companies fire uneccessary labor. You are paying them by your own choice. Nobody is forcing you to pay them.
In a small company, no employee is unnecessary.
My money is in the bank, mostly in the accounts of my employees. What is left in my account, has to be conserved to maintain job security for my employees. When hard times hit and the income slows down, the payroll still has to made, expenses still have to paid, and the benefits packages for my employees still has to be maintained.
Then what's the problem? You were complaining about paying them earlier.
Just in case you claim that you never said that.
I think the fundamental misunderstanding here is over who is and is not rich. $450,000 a year is not rich on the same level as the few hundred elite billionaires who most often incur popular ire. The former generally pay their fair share. The latter are getting away with looting entire nations.
that may have merit. if you are making between 400K and several million, you are the group that pays the highest effective tax rate and you are way overtaxed.
some billionaires perhaps not though they pay far more actually dollars than millions of Americans combined
The Very Rich Are Different--They Pay A Lower Tax Rate - Forbes
This is a crock of **** distraction tactic that you're using. Most of the taxes that we pay are used for INCOME REDISTRIBUTION and not for providing PUBLIC goods, like roads, schools, border control, national defense, policing, courts, etc.
"All the Property that is necessary to a man, for the conservation of the individual and the propagation of the species, is his natural right, which none can justly deprive him of: But all property superfluous to such purposes is the property of the publick, who, by their laws, have created it, and who may therefore by other laws dispose of it, whenever the welfare of the publick shall demand such disposition. He that does not like civil society on these terms, let him retire and live among savages."
Your in the wrong country if you don't believe in progressive taxes. The founders saw it as a way to stop the wealthy from gaining undue influence over govt. Something they feared because of the European model at the time. The made no mention of "income redistribution" They just thought it greedy to want so much more than you needed to prosper and as Ben Franklin so aptly said......
I believe so. Depending on your state of residence, you could be paying almost half your total income to the taxman.
If the FOUNDER(S) believed that then they should have incorporated those principles into the founding documents.
Here's some other things that the Founder(s) believed:
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Thomas Jefferson--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.
"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
--Samuel Adams, as Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
--Alexander Hamilton, Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Patrick Henry--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.
Apparently the notion of Theocracy might well have been a gleam in those folks eyes. I hold reservations for....like say Jefferson. I guess they weren't in the same train of thinking with James Madison who said that he was keenly aware of what religion did to Europe the previous 500 years, which he called a blood bath.
Yea for James Madison and other members of the founds who exercised a little logic and reason.
If the FOUNDER(S) believed that then they should have incorporated those principles into the founding documents.
Here's some other things that the Founder(s) believed:
"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever; That a revolution of the wheel of fortune, a change of situation, is among possible events; that it may become probable by Supernatural influence! The Almighty has no attribute which can take side with us in that event."
--Thomas Jefferson--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.
"And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace."
--Samuel Adams, as Governor of Massachusetts, Proclamation of a Day of Fast, March 20, 1797.
"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."
--Alexander Hamilton, Famous American Statesmen, p. 126.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."
Patrick Henry--The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.
There is nothing more outdated than 250 year old opinions on religion. Most westerners today are not very religious. You might as well quote the founders opinion of blood-letting as treatment for disease. Did you know that George Washington died from too much of that "treatment"?
There should be a nationwide system of road tolls to be set up. This way those that use infrastructure are the ones who pay for it.But who will build the roads?
Are you serious?
Making your OWN money makes the state a dependent by default? Hell, why not just rob everyone's paycheck and just trust the "state" to do the right thing?
I can't believe so many people think liberty is a sin.
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