Well lets just acknowledge that there is a precedent for graduated income tax.
Also, the government isn't forcing you to work
Also, really? the government forcing people to have sex? I can understand if you are passionate on the issue we are discussing, but you might want to take a step backwards to appreciate how stupid of a statement that is. revel in it.
Also, the government isn't forcing you to work
My income is earned through my labor. When government takes a portion of my income and gives it to other people, the government has forced me to work on behalf of other people. I'm not really seeing a difference between labor and sex. They're both activities. People have sex for their own benefit. People go to jobs to earn money for their own benefit. I don't know anyone who voluntarily goes to work and then takes their paycheck and gives it to random strangers. Government has to step in and compel people to work for the benefit of strangers. If government can do that, then I'm not seeing any roadblock to government declaring a Male Virgin Emergency and setting out to solve that problem by compelling people to have sex for the benefit of others.
For the same reason some religions have tithes. The community as a whole dictates that a percentage is more fair than a set number. It is unfair that the poor pay the same amount as the rich when it is more detrimental to them to pay the fee.
He who does not work, neither shall he eat. Lenin said that. Judging from your posts, he's a guy you can get on board with.
Why stray from his principles?
How is it unfair? Because you say so? The poor take up more governmental money by percentage than the wealthy. Why should they get away scott free?
Because I am not a Libertarian does not mean I am a Leninist-Marxist. There is a large spectrum of political thought, not simply one-or-the-other classifications.
He who does not work, neither shall he eat. Lenin said that. Judging from your posts, he's a guy you can get on board with.
Why stray from his principles?
The government takes your money, yes. It's called being a part of a community. You know how they teach you to share in kindergarten? Same basic principal.
I have trouble understanding where people get off thinking that this is some new atrocity. Taxes have existed since the beginning of stratified civilization.
And just stop with the sex metaphor. it's poorly constructed, slightly offensive, and in no way pertinent to the argument. Think of it this way, income tax has existed in this country since the passage of the 16th amendment (thus is completely constitutional) now please point out how forcing sex on people is constitutional?
You are a hardcore statist and absolutist. Marxism-Leninism is fitting right into your wheelhouse. If you want to deny it because you're afraid of being stigmatized, go ahead.
I just see what I see.
That's probably a safe bet
There are still some nations that aren't big on organized theft.
by the way, I am in NO WAY advocating people don't work. All I was saying was that there is no law forcing you to have a job, just like there's no law forcing sex. Although RiverDad really seems to want that law.
You know what's offensive? Your continual habit of rhetorical sleight of hand. People understand the need to pay taxes for roads, policing, courts, national defense, border control, and such and they object to paying taxes so that the incomes of strangers can be supplemented. So when you come off all innocent-like and point to taxes being in existence for a long time to pay for PUBLIC GOODS, then you're insulting everyone here.
There is no reason to tax me to pay for your hemorrhoid operation. You getting your hemorrhoids fixed benefits ONLY YOU, not the community. For the government to be so intrusive as to compel people to pay for you hemorrhoid operation is the equivalent of government compelling people to have sex.
There's a difference, if you want to know my leanings, think Germany and England.
But who will build the roads?
Germany you say? OK, I'm fine with the top 10% of Americans paying the same proportion of taxes as Germany's top 10% of taxpayers. Thanks for offering.
No but the upper middle class sure as hell do...
But no, paying for someone's operation is not as intrusive as compelling people to have sex. My main problem isn't with your stance, as much as it is with your poor comparisons.
You basically just said, "Don't like to pay taxes? Don't work".
....Why is it my burden to equalize some other person's income? Why can government force me to WORK and then take the proceeds of my LABOR and give that to another person.....
Most of the taxes that we pay are used for INCOME REDISTRIBUTION and not for providing PUBLIC goods, like roads, schools, border control, national defense, policing, courts, etc.
It is unfair that some young men are virgins and other young men are scoring with lots of women.
It is unfair that some couples are infertile while other couples have lots of children.
Lot's of things in life are unfair. That doesn't mean that you should discriminate against people in order to remedy that unfairness.
Why is it my burden to equalize some other person's income?
RiverDad said:Why can government force me to WORK
RiverDad said:If the government can FORCE me to WORK then why can't the government FORCE people to have SEX?
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