Do retards get to go to heaven?

[Captain America]

The Bible is pretty clear about who gets to spend eternity with Jesus in Heaven, and who gets to roast eternally with Satan in Hell. I'm afraid I can only speculate that since God tells us in the book of Jeremiah 1:5 that He knows us before He even forms us in the womb, that your sister, Becky, must have really done something to tick off the Lord before she was born. As I always say, it is not for us to question how the Lord gets his kicks, but basically, unless your retarded, deaf, dumb and blind sister finds some way of understanding that Jesus died for her sins, and she miraculously finds the cognitive ability to accept Him as her personal savior, she is going to roast in Hell along with all the Catholics, child molesters, fornicators and mass murderers, not to mention the aborted and miscarried fetuses, who were also never able to comprehend Jesus and must therefore be tortured for eternity.
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Christian Kids Want to Know: Do Retarded People Go to Heaven?

 

[Billo_Really]

Would you pray to Charles Manson?

You pray to St. Paul (if your a Catholic).

Do you know who St. Paul was before he was St. Paul?

 

[Captain America]

His name was Saul. An evil man. But he we blinded by the light. Wrapped up like a douche below the rubber in the night

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by Captain America
His name was Saul. An evil man. But he we blinded by the light. Wrapped up like a douche below the rubber in the night

I bet he had a

sixty-nine Chevy with a 396
Fuelie heads and a Hurst on the floor
She's waiting tonight down in the parking lot
Outside the Seven-Eleven store
Me and my partner Sonny built her straight out of scratch
And he rides with me from town to town
We only run for the money got no strings attached
We shut `em up and then we shut `em down

Tonight, tonight the strip's just right
I wanna blow `em off in my first heat
Summer's here and the time is right
For goin' racin' in the street

We take all the action we can meet
And we cover all the northeast state
When the strip shuts down we run `em in the street
From the fire roads to the interstate
Some guys they just give up living
And start dying little by little, piece by piece
Some guys come home from work and wash up
And go racin' in the street

Tonight, tonight the strip's just right
I wanna blow `em all out of their seats
Calling out around the world, we're going racin' in the street

I met her on the strip three years ago
In a Camaro with this dude from L.A.
I blew that Camaro off my back and drove that little girl away
But now there's wrinkles around my baby's eyes
And she cries herself to sleep at night
When I come home the house is dark
She sighs "Baby did you make it all right"
She sits on the porch of her daddy's house
But all her pretty dreams are torn
She stares off alone into the night
With the eyes of one who hates for just being born
For all the shut down strangers and hot rod angels
Rumbling through this promised land
Tonight my baby and me we're gonna ride to the sea
And wash these sins off our hands

Tonight tonight the highway's bright

Yeah, retards can make Heaven!

 

[nes]

I found a good article on this that also applies to retards- Do Babies Automatically Go To Heaven?

 

[Monk-Eye]

Satisfaction

"Satisfaction"

Heaven, hell, and everywhere in between are temporal conditions; a retard is somewhere in the range.

By breeding they have a chance for genetic eternal life.

 

[Cephus]

I found a good article on this that also applies to retards- Do Babies Automatically Go To Heaven?

I always made the argument to people who believed babies automatically went to heaven, why in the world are they opposing abortion? As soon as a baby is born, it's guilty of original sin and headed to hell. Abort as many as you can before they're hellbound! Think of the babies!

 

[mikhail]

do you mean retards as in people who are actually mentally retarded.Or just when you call someone retard because they are a bit slow.

 

[Thelost1]

do you mean retards as in people who are actually mentally retarded.Or just when you call someone retard because they are a bit slow.

Extrapolating ideas from the original post, the context of the question, and the link, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

 

[nes]

I always made the argument to people who believed babies automatically went to heaven, why in the world are they opposing abortion?

Because its a sin no matter what the circumstances are and many believe that its ethically wrong in nearly all circumstances.

As soon as a baby is born, it's guilty of original sin and headed to hell.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Even if the baby went to hell which the baby wouldn't, the baby would be judged according to the babies works.

Abort as many as you can before they're hellbound! Think of the babies!

You would be making the assumption that the baby (human) would go hell bound one day. Even if killing the baby in the womb would prevent it from going hell bound, it would still be sin in doing so.

 

[VTA]

Yes, they get the short yellow cloud and take bowling trips on Saturdays.

 

[ltb]

The Bible is pretty clear about who gets to spend eternity with Jesus in Heaven, and who gets to roast eternally with Satan in Hell. I'm afraid I can only speculate that since God tells us in the book of Jeremiah 1:5 that He knows us before He even forms us in the womb, that your sister, Becky, must have really done something to tick off the Lord before she was born. As I always say, it is not for us to question how the Lord gets his kicks, but basically, unless your retarded, deaf, dumb and blind sister finds some way of understanding that Jesus died for her sins, and she miraculously finds the cognitive ability to accept Him as her personal savior, she is going to roast in Hell along with all the Catholics, child molesters, fornicators and mass murderers, not to mention the aborted and miscarried fetuses, who were also never able to comprehend Jesus and must therefore be tortured for eternity.
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Christian Kids Want to Know: Do Retarded People Go to Heaven?

How did you leap from God stating that he knows us before we were formed in the womb to making the assumption that “retarded, deaf, dumb and blind” people go to Hell? You have taken the worst doctrine of Calvinism (i.e., predestination) and combined it with the worst doctrine of Catholicism (i.e., original sin) in an effort to slander the Salvation offered through Jesus Christ.

The Bible is fairly clear that children who do not reach an age of accountability do go to Heaven. For instance, after David’s and Bathsheba’s illegitimate child died, David stopped mourning because he knew he would see his son again in Heaven (2 Samuel 12:23). Also, Jesus himself said that Heaven exists for children (Matthew 19:14).

Does God know if you are going to Hell? Absolutely! He knew every decision you would make before you were born and he knows your life from the end to the beginning. If you choose to continue in your unbelief and to go to Hell, you’ll have no one to blame but yourself. I don’t think that Jesus expects anyone to comprehend him, he just asks that people accept his gift of Salvation.

Why would you try to vilify something so selfless and beautiful as Jesus taking upon himself the punishment deserved by Mankind in the suffering he endured on the cross?

 

[EAGLE1]

Does God know if you are going to Hell? Absolutely! He knew every decision you would make before you were born and he knows your life from the end to the beginning

He knows everything youre going to do before you do it? Then surely you are already judged, there is no free will and therefore man is not accountable at the nd of his/ her life?

What is the point of God's works if its already decided whats going to happen?

Im very curious on these points and would appreciate all your viewpoints however my own reasoning is that 'retards' are higher souls undergoing a test of their own choosing for God and the universe.

I suspect babies will go to heaven only for a short time before they go back to earth for further education and therefore if they die early then their time on earth was only for the edification of the parents and perhaps others around them during their short lifetimes.

 

[ltb]

He knows everything youre going to do before you do it? Then surely you are already judged, there is no free will and therefore man is not accountable at the nd of his/ her life?

What is the point of God's works if its already decided whats going to happen?

Im very curious on these points and would appreciate all your viewpoints however my own reasoning is that 'retards' are higher souls undergoing a test of their own choosing for God and the universe.

I suspect babies will go to heaven only for a short time before they go back to earth for further education and therefore if they die early then their time on earth was only for the edification of the parents and perhaps others around them during their short lifetimes.

I suppose those who will die apart from knowing Christ already have been judged, but that doesn’t mean people are predestined to Hell. Just because God knows where you are going to spend eternity, the choices you make between now and your first second in eternity are yours and yours alone. The fact that God knows our choices in advance, doesn’t negate free will, it just means he knows our choices in advance, period.

The real beauty and part of the mystery of life is that you don’t know what choices you are going to make. You may very well die and go to Hell as someone who refused to accept the sacrifice of Jesus, but you don’t know that and since you don’t know that, you don’t have to die and go to Hell as someone who refused to accept the sacrifice of Jesus.

When Jesus talks about it being necessary to become like little children in order to enter Heaven (Matthew 18:3), I think part of what he’s saying is don’t overanalyze the gift that God is giving you. Mankind screwed up, we let sin into the world, God made a way to make things work out, just accept it. God desires that everyone be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-4), but he is not going to force people to come to him against their will.

 

[EAGLE1]

Just because God knows where you are going to spend eternity, the choices you make between now and your first second in eternity are yours and yours alone. The fact that God knows our choices in advance, doesn’t negate free will, it just means he knows our choices in advance, period.

Ok the free will negation by prior knowledge is debateable. So why is God doing this then? It seems very much like running a script from the beginning of the universe to the end. For whose benefit is this play staged?

What gift is it God doesnt want us to overanalyse?

 

[ltb]

Ok the free will negation by prior knowledge is debateable. So why is God doing this then? It seems very much like running a script from the beginning of the universe to the end. For whose benefit is this play staged?

God's. Trying to figure out why God has staged this play and getting to know the Producer is the meaning of life.

What gift is it God doesnt want us to overanalyse?

The gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ.

 

[EAGLE1]

Gods doing it for his own benefit?? Then why are we participating is this play? Whats our share?

Thanks. Dont overananalyse salvation. If we cant over analyse can we at leat just analyse it?

 

[ltb]

Gods doing it for his own benefit?? Then why are we participating is this play? Whats our share?

Thanks. Dont overananalyse salvation. If we cant over analyse can we at leat just analyse it?

No one actually knows why, except God. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

As far as salvation through Jesus Christ is concerned, if you recognize that you are not perfect (i.e., are a sinner) and are willing to accept that God is perfect and that he judges sin (i.e., violation of the Ten Commandments), you’re halfway there. Salvation does not involve following a bunch of rules to get God to love you, it only requires that you believe that God loves you enough to have taken the punishment your sin deserves upon himself.

Jesus, as God in the flesh, came to earth and lived a perfectly sinless life. At the end of his life, when he was about 33, Jesus was unjustly accused of blasphemy (i.e., claiming to be God) by religious leaders and he was then wrongly sentenced to death (John 10:33). This was God’s plan to take the punishment that sin deserves upon himself, because he loved the world (John 3:16).

All a person has to do to be saved (i.e., to be pardoned for all sins - past, present and future) is to accept that Jesus is who he said he is (i.e., God), that he took the punishment you deserve for being a sinner upon himself when he was crucified, and that he rose from the dead (Romans 10:9). You do this by praying to God, a prayer that is commonly called, “The Sinner’s Prayer” (see below) and by “repenting” (i.e., turning to God, who helps you overcome sin). You don’t have to understand everything, you just have to accept it in your heart and trust God, which is called “faith.” Once you do this, you are no longer an enemy of God’s, but are his friend (Colossians 1:21-22) and something pretty awesome happens that will change your life. The fact that you will never have to worry about going to Hell is only a small part of salvation, because the amazing thing is that you will truly understand for the first time that God is real and that his Son is Jesus.


The Sinner’s Prayer:

“Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”

 

[rathi]

As far as salvation through Jesus Christ is concerned, if you recognize that you are not perfect (i.e., are a sinner) and are willing to accept that God is perfect and that he judges sin (i.e., violation of the Ten Commandments), you’re halfway there. Salvation does not involve following a bunch of rules to get God to love you, it only requires that you believe that God loves you enough to have taken the punishment your sin deserves upon himself.

What about people who never had a chance to know about god? For example, the Australians never had a chance to read the bible until thousands of years after Christ's death. How were they judged?

 

[ltb]

What about people who never had a chance to know about god? For example, the Australians never had a chance to read the bible until thousands of years after Christ's death. How were they judged?

There’s a movie called, “End of the Spear,” which sheds a lot of light on your questions. It’s based on a true story about five missionaries who were killed by a tribe in the Ecuadorian Jungle. The story is kind of involved, but the wives of the missionaries went to live with the tribe after their husbands were murdered and one of the missionaries’ sons was raised by the man, Mincayani, who murdered his father.

Mincayani spoke, through an interpreter, at a local church last year and he said that he was visited by angels in the jungle and was aware that there is a God, before he had ever heard the Gospel (i.e., the “almost too good to be true news”). When the wives of the missionaries told Mincayani about God’s Son, he was able to comprehend, even though no human had ever told him that there is a God.

The Bible says that everyone is made aware of God (Romans 1:18-20), so I believe that God makes himself known to people like the Australians you mentioned. I also believe that anyone who truly seeks out God will arrive at Jesus’ feet.

God is not mean and he is not cruel. It’s difficult to understand that if you are not on God’s side, but once you are no longer an enemy of God’s, he truly takes care of you. The closer you get to God, the more you are able to see through the wickedness in the world and the more you come to understand just how awesome God is.

 

[Edify_Always_In_All_Ways]

No one actually knows why, except God. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

As far as salvation through Jesus Christ is concerned, if you recognize that you are not perfect (i.e., are a sinner) and are willing to accept that God is perfect and that he judges sin (i.e., violation of the Ten Commandments), you’re halfway there. Salvation does not involve following a bunch of rules to get God to love you, it only requires that you believe that God loves you enough to have taken the punishment your sin deserves upon himself.

Jesus, as God in the flesh, came to earth and lived a perfectly sinless life. At the end of his life, when he was about 33, Jesus was unjustly accused of blasphemy (i.e., claiming to be God) by religious leaders and he was then wrongly sentenced to death (John 10:33). This was God’s plan to take the punishment that sin deserves upon himself, because he loved the world (John 3:16).

All a person has to do to be saved (i.e., to be pardoned for all sins - past, present and future) is to accept that Jesus is who he said he is (i.e., God), that he took the punishment you deserve for being a sinner upon himself when he was crucified, and that he rose from the dead (Romans 10:9). You do this by praying to God, a prayer that is commonly called, “The Sinner’s Prayer” (see below) and by “repenting” (i.e., turning to God, who helps you overcome sin). You don’t have to understand everything, you just have to accept it in your heart and trust God, which is called “faith.” Once you do this, you are no longer an enemy of God’s, but are his friend (Colossians 1:21-22) and something pretty awesome happens that will change your life. The fact that you will never have to worry about going to Hell is only a small part of salvation, because the amazing thing is that you will truly understand for the first time that God is real and that his Son is Jesus.


The Sinner’s Prayer:

“Father, I know that I have broken your laws and my sins have separated me from you. I am truly sorry, and now I want to turn away from my past sinful life toward you. Please forgive me, and help me avoid sinning again. I believe that your son, Jesus Christ died for my sins, was resurrected from the dead, is alive, and hears my prayer. I invite Jesus to become the Lord of my life, to rule and reign in my heart from this day forward. Please send your Holy Spirit to help me obey You, and to do Your will for the rest of my life. In Jesus' name I pray, Amen.”

If we are all sinners, why not just apolgize to those sinned against? Jesus preached some nice values, but the son of god (who is, of course, also god) needs us to tell HIM we're sorry? Many people have been crucified- some, surely, for the same 'crimes' as Jesus. Why should he get to be theson of god for having the most popular following? I believethe world would truly be a much better place if everyone focused on helping others- God, if they exist, can help themselves. If there is a true and just god and they do "love the world", they would have come down and proven their might, showing everyone how to live more convincingly than an old book of questionable morals and an ancient preacher. Secular humanism alll the way. Amen.

 

[Sergeant Stinger1]

I found a good article on this that also applies to retards- Do Babies Automatically Go To Heaven?

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Catholics and some other Christians believe that when a baby dies they become Angels.

 

[ltb]

If we are all sinners, why not just apolgize to those sinned against? Jesus preached some nice values, but the son of god (who is, of course, also god) needs us to tell HIM we're sorry? Many people have been crucified- some, surely, for the same 'crimes' as Jesus. Why should he get to be theson of god for having the most popular following? I believethe world would truly be a much better place if everyone focused on helping others- God, if they exist, can help themselves. If there is a true and just god and they do "love the world", they would have come down and proven their might, showing everyone how to live more convincingly than an old book of questionable morals and an ancient preacher. Secular humanism alll the way. Amen.

Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and he fulfilled over 300 prophecies about the first coming of the Messiah that were written hundreds of years earlier in the Old Testament. Statisticians have calculated the probability of Jesus fulfilling only eight of those prophecies to be 1 in 10^17 (100,000,000,000,000,000) and the odds of 48 prophecies being fulfilled at 1 in 10^157
(100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). The odds of you being hit by lighting twice are 1 in 9,000,000.

Before you go around knocking “an old book of questionable morals and an ancient preacher,” you should read that old book first and pay attention to the eye-witness accounts that were written by those who hung around with that “ancient preacher.” Seriously, read it and then decide for yourself. I would highly recommend the New International Version “Bible” in conjunction with “The Message”.

 

[EAGLE1]

Quote:
Originally Posted by EAGLE1
Gods doing it for his own benefit?? Then why are we participating is this play? Whats our share?

Thanks. Dont overananalyse salvation. If we cant over analyse can we at leat just analyse it?

No one actually knows why, except God. Sorry, but that’s the truth.

Eh. Wouldnt it be a bit more humble to say simply...I dont know? The question is, can we know? Can it be reasoned out? Agree or no?

Yes thanks for this 'life of Jesus' stuff. Considering many other innocents have died unjustly, why does Jesus get the 'God on earth' tag? Isnt that irrelevant considering the company he's in?
Next, can we be sure that Jesus was completely free of Sin?

 

[ltb]

Eh. Wouldnt it be a bit more humble to say simply...I dont know? The question is, can we know? Can it be reasoned out? Agree or no?

Yes thanks for this 'life of Jesus' stuff. Considering many other innocents have died unjustly, why does Jesus get the 'God on earth' tag? Isnt that irrelevant considering the company he's in?
Next, can we be sure that Jesus was completely free of Sin?

I apologize if I was being arrogant. Yes, you can know, without any doubt whatsoever, and that’s what I’ve been trying to make clear. I forgot how difficult it is to take that first step of faith, but do sincerely hope you discover the truth before you reach a point of no return. Anyway, we’re both pretty much wasting each other’s time and I’m sick of this website. Later.