:good_job: :2funny:Kandahar said:I see what you're doing now. Obviously the answer is no, but this poll is a straw man which I refuse to vote in. No one actually believes this.
Do you believe that liberals are all America-hating black-supremacist closet homosexuals?
LaMidRighter said:Why use the bible when a police baton is quicker? :mrgreen: All kidding aside, I don't think sexism is a party affiliation problem as much as an individual one. The polarizing point of this stems from the same problem as just about every generalization such as; Abortion = sexism, wealth = suppression of lower classes, environmentalists = tree hugging hippee potheads, etc. Most of the problem with using general strawman arguments to further an agenda is that they get diffused among supporters and turn into a mantra, this becomes a general belief, and next thing you know the opposition becomes a stereotype.
I suppress my women and use the bible to do so all of the time...Lantzolot said:Please Explain your answer.
SKILMATIC said:Wel IMO if men loved their wives like He loved the church then the wives would have no problem submitting to their husbands. However, c'mon republicans suppressing wives? Geees now I have heard it all. :doh
A democrat can do this just as much as a republican can.
Kelzie said:You are mistaken. I don't care how much a man loves me, I would never submit to him. I doubt many women would.
SKILMATIC said:Well thats nice but the reality is that alot of women still do. Actually more than half the worlds women do. That would make you as minority in this. :rofl
Kelzie said:Umm. Right. Prove it.
SKILMATIC said:O I love it when you say that cause it just makes me right even more. Ok this si very simple.
How much of the earths population is muslim, hindu, catholic, protestant, and Mormon?
Well lets just take one of the religions like islam. There are over 2billion muslims in the world. Also islam is the second largest religion with the fastest growth rate. Also catholicism all over the world predicates women in their society to be subservient to men. Also in all of the Asain countries their women are treated like slaves. And the Asain population is approximately a thrid of the earths population.
Can you say debacled?
Kelzie said:I know plenty, PLENTY of muslim, hindu, catholic, protestant, and Mormon wives that do not submit to their husbands. So really, what you'd have to do is ask each individual one, cause sure as hell it's going to change based on their location, upbringing, social status, education level, not to mention all the variables with the husband. And quite honestly, I think that any muslim, hindu, catholic, protestant, and Mormon women on this forum would be rather insulted that you assume they are submissive based off of the fact that they are religious.
I can say debacled just fine. I can also say that if you make broad, sweeping, negative statements like that, especially about women, it is going to be impossible to prove.
SKILMATIC said:Yaeh americanized women. But life across the world is far different than here hun. You do know that womens rights doesnt see every country right?
There are only 300million people in the US. So again your wrong. Most of these religions women across the globe are very subservient. I know from first hand experience by meeting different women across the world on west packs. Why do you think alot of men like bringing back foreign women? They are very obedient. Especially the asians.
Simon W. Moon said:Do we have a working definition of 'submit' for the purposes of this conversation? Or are we all talking about different concepts?
Further I thought we were talking about 'suppress'.
In a less silly vein than my previous comments ...Kelzie said:We were. But then someone brought up a bible quote about submitting women.
Simon W. Moon said:In a less silly vein than my previous comments ...
There're some areas of our daily life where I'm more competent than my wife. Not that she's incompetent or that she hasn't lived on her own and done quite well (cause she has).
There're just some areas where she defers to my judgment. Is that submission of just smart team-play?
It would seem that way. However, I'm clear on what the practical implications of "submissive" are. I don't see where it would necessarily mean that a woman should lower here eyes at all times and never speak unless spoken to.Kelzie said:I would say that a commandment/rule/whatever it was telling women to submit to their husbands would mean women should be submissive. Would you agree to that or not?
Simon W. Moon said:It would seem that way. However, I'm clear on what the practical implications of "submissive" are. I don't see where it would necessarily mean that a woman should lower here eyes at all times and never speak unless spoken to.
So you see the passage as directing women to not think for themselves and not make their own decisions and to rely on someone else to constantly make them for her?Kelzie said:That's not the problem at all. A husband could say "Woman, I want you to raise your eyes and speak all the time". If she was supposed to submit to her husband, she would do it. It's the act of not thinking for yourself and not making your own decisions when you are capable, but instead relying on someone else to constantly make them for you, that is the problem.