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Do people have reason to generally not like African-Americans?

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I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if an African-American is involved is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the African-American "voice" are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves.

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans.

5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening riots, predicting violence and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about African-Americans.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

With constant raging about the evil white people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil black people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told political correctness demands they remain silent and even accept their own evil-ness.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with/in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

Thoughts? Let's get it out in the open.
 
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Well, I wouldn't go THAT far... but the stuff you mentioned certainly is NOT helping us come together as one and sing Kum-by-ya, fer sure.
 
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Well, I wouldn't go THAT far... but the stuff you mentioned certainly is NOT helping us come together as one and Kum-by-ya, fer sure.

no need for any other reason l think after reading joko's post:lol:
 

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People don't have a reason to dislike African Americans as a race. It would be unfair to anyone who doesn't fit into any of these categories. There are many race hustlers and poverty pimps who claim to be the face of their race in general, but there would really be no place for these people if their race wasn't enslaved in the first place.

I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if an African-American is involved is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the African-American "voice" are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves.

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans.

5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening riots, predicting violence and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about African-Americans.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

With constant raging about the evil white people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil black people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told political correctness demands they remain silent and even accept their own evil-ness.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

Thoughts?
 

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I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way. 1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically. 2. It seems ever instance of what is perceived as injustice is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion. 3. The spokespersons (self assigned) are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves. 4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans. 5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it. 6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people. So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general? Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I've lived with in a variety of ethnic and racial communities - none of which is my ethnicity. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are my own ancestry. Thoughts?

I don't like African-American spokespersons who race bait. I despise their message; I think they are parasites who would never want normal race relations between AAs and whites because they would be out of jobs. I have a problem with African-Americans who dance at the end of those race-baiters' puppet strings. I try to have compassion for them because I think that we, as a society, have failed them miserably in terms of education and a true helping hand. Some days that's easier than others.

I've only met one African-American I've had to fear -- so I would say "I didn't like her" Ha! -- that was when I was in my early 20's. It was a young black girl who tried to pull me backwards down a long flight of marble stairs at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. I was with my husband; he fended her off.

In my social and professional lives, I have never met an African-American I didn't like and/or respect. As a Realtor, I had a number of AA clients to whom I sold homes. They were awesome people, and, as is so common with Realtors and their clients, for a short time, we became like family. (And not that crazy Thanksgiving uncle kind of family either.) It was in my association with one of these couples that I learned, much to my dismay, that AAs think whites are very prejudiced against them. But that's another story for another time.
 

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I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically.
So? There's traditionally only been one party over the last fifty years to actively work for them.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if an African-American is involved is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion.
Nonsense. The only people who do that are those who want to sell tension. Dislike those individuals if you wish, but not blacks in general.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the African-American "voice" are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves.
I think you defeated this point yourself...they are self assigned spokespersons. I still remember something my friend John told me years ago (part quote, part paraphrase), "Jesse Jackson doesn't speak for me. Al Sharpton doesn't speak for me. I speak for myself. I evaluate things and decide on my own what to think about them. Sharpton and Jackson don't speak for every black person in this country."

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans.
Those spokespersons only care about making money. An America absent the belief of racial inequality is an America from which they cannot profit.

5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.
So we should dislike all black people because of white liberals and the few self assigned spokespersons?

6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people.
Nah, I'm sure they don't care that much. They just want to exploit race for monetary gain.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening riots, predicting violence and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about African-Americans.
The self assigned spokespersons speak for themselves, not the whole.

So, in conclusion, the answer is no. There is no reasons to generally not like black people.
 

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So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

With constant raging about the evil white people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil black people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told political correctness demands they remain silent and even accept their own evil-ness.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with/in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

Thoughts? Let's get it out in the open.

Imo, this is a very complicated issue, and will take much time, much will, and much dedication to resolve, if it ever IS resolved. There isn't a reason not to like black people as a group. There is a reason to dislike specific individuals, no matter their color, background, and characteristics.

Much of the problem is our history in this country, and rather than just putting hatred aside, people hold onto it for dear life, on each side of the issue. Because black Americans were treated so poorly in our past, the issue remains a thorn in our sides, no matter what we do. We cannot go back and erase the past. All we can do is change laws to support equal treatment in the eyes of the law, but we can't change individual attitudes. This is something that happens with time and exposure. It seems to be a specifically American problem, as is evidenced by my experience with black immigrants, who do not seem to hold the same suspicion against white Americans, and who often integrate into society in general very well. They don't have the disadvantage of having grown up in a culture where they were made to feel bad about being who they were, both by their black community, and by some in the white and other communities here.

Is there a reason to not like them as a group? No. Is there a reason why some people do feel that way? Yes. Will it be resolved at any time in the near future? I seriously doubt it. It's just something that we have to live with for now.
 

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I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if an African-American is involved is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the African-American "voice" are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves.

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans.

5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening riots, predicting violence and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about African-Americans.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

With constant raging about the evil white people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil black people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told political correctness demands they remain silent and even accept their own evil-ness.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with/in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

Thoughts? Let's get it out in the open
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From what you say it appears that you have a problem.

What you do about it, if anything, is up to you.
 

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Well said! I think things are getting better in Metro Detroit. Detroit proper is hemorrhaging population and the suburbs are gaining many of these citizens and integrating them into better, safer schools and communities that are more family oriented with more opportunities, which is often the difference between going to prison or having a successful career and family life.

Imo, this is a very complicated issue, and will take much time, much will, and much dedication to resolve, if it ever IS resolved. There isn't a reason not to like black people as a group. There is a reason to dislike specific individuals, no matter their color, background, and characteristics.

Much of the problem is our history in this country, and rather than just putting hatred aside, people hold onto it for dear life, on each side of the issue. Because black Americans were treated so poorly in our past, the issue remains a thorn in our sides, no matter what we do. We cannot go back and erase the past. All we can do is change laws to support equal treatment in the eyes of the law, but we can't change individual attitudes. This is something that happens with time and exposure. It seems to be a specifically American problem, as is evidenced by my experience with black immigrants, who do not seem to hold the same suspicion against white Americans, and who often integrate into society in general very well. They don't have the disadvantage of having grown up in a culture where they were made to feel bad about being who they were, both by their black community, and by some in the white and other communities here.

Is there a reason to not like them as a group? No. Is there a reason why some people do feel that way? Yes. Will it be resolved at any time in the near future? I seriously doubt it. It's just something that we have to live with for now.
 

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I don't like Spike Lee because he tweeted an elderly couple's home address during the Zimmerman protests causing them to have to leave their home because of death threats.
He's a cowardly little man.
 

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I don't like African-American spokespersons who race bait. I despise their message; I think they are parasites who would never want normal race relations between AAs and whites because they would be out of jobs. I have a problem with African-Americans who dance at the end of those race-baiters' puppet strings. I try to have compassion for them because I think that we, as a society, have failed them miserably in terms of education and a true helping hand. Some days that's easier than others.

I've only met one African-American I've had to fear -- so I would say "I didn't like her" Ha! -- that was when I was in my early 20's. It was a young black girl who tried to pull me backwards down a long flight of marble stairs at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. I was with my husband; he fended her off.

In my social and professional lives, I have never met an African-American I didn't like and/or respect. As a Realtor, I had a number of AA clients to whom I sold homes. They were awesome people, and, as is so common with Realtors and their clients, for a short time, we became like family. (And not that crazy Thanksgiving uncle kind of family either.) It was in my association with one of these couples that I learned, much to my dismay, that AAs think whites are very prejudiced against them. But that's another story for another time.

Your message points to how the media portrays African-Americans generally. As low education, impoverished, hopeless - and as a collective people united together by their race. Yet if uniting together because of your race is ok for African-Americans, why not any and all other races, including white people? In fact, there are many poor white people who see the difference between how it is noble for African-Americans to be united by and proud of their race, but it is evil racism and intolerable if white folk do.

Unfortunately, for whatever reasons many African-Americans accept the degrading and disenfranchised labels the media puts on them.
 

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There are only two racial/ethnic groups that have done poorly in the United States. That happens to be the 2 groups that never wanted to be a part of the "American experience." Native Americans and African Americans.

Being of the former, I have always felt the reservation system is absurd - in the sense of absurd any Native Americans would accept that if not having to. A few generations ago, most Native Americans still alive were marched across country to some vastly inferior land, and for some still again to hellish lands compared to their original homeland. And then, at such worthless places, decided they could still be what they were - when they can't. Why any would accept that when it actually did become possible to leave is perplexing to me. To live generation after generation in hell because generations ago the enemy that took your land sent you there at gun and bayonet point? Same for any African-American leaving in a racial slum or ghetto - bitterly complaining at the injustice of being there, how rotten their life is there, and how there is no opportunity or fairness there.

Huh? Then get the hell out of there! There are no fences and guard posts keeping the people in there. At any time, any person can walk, take a bus, a train, taxi, bum a ride - and leave the ghetto or slum behind forever. It has become a self imprisonment, while bitterly complaining of being imprisoned by those evil white people - who aren't doing any such thing and haven't during hardly any of their lifetimes.

That's what I did. At 15, fleeing "the reservation" and at 29, fleeing an African-American slum in Chicago. I don't understand why someone stands in a cold rain cursing the sky. Get out of the rain. Life is never going to be good in a ghetto or slum, racial or otherwise. "You're picking on me and my people!" in a generational pity-party thinking you'll get more than crumbs in return for your whining and fury at the unfairness of life-from-birth is self degradation and certain misery.
 
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So? There's traditionally only been one party over the last fifty years to actively work for them.

Nonsense. The only people who do that are those who want to sell tension. Dislike those individuals if you wish, but not blacks in general.

I think you defeated this point yourself...they are self assigned spokespersons. I still remember something my friend John told me years ago (part quote, part paraphrase), "Jesse Jackson doesn't speak for me. Al Sharpton doesn't speak for me. I speak for myself. I evaluate things and decide on my own what to think about them. Sharpton and Jackson don't speak for every black person in this country."

Those spokespersons only care about making money. An America absent the belief of racial inequality is an America from which they cannot profit.

So we should dislike all black people because of white liberals and the few self assigned spokespersons?

Nah, I'm sure they don't care that much. They just want to exploit race for monetary gain.

The self assigned spokespersons speak for themselves, not the whole.

So, in conclusion, the answer is no. There is no reasons to generally not like black people.

For the most part I agree. All the talking heads, the race-baiters, on the networks? Essentially they are all millionaires and became so by race-baiting. Race-baiting itself is a vile form of racism.
 

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One point I'm making, or speculating anyway, is to respond to things you don't like or rejection with "you're doing that because your a racist" has been very engrained into my African-Americans including young African-Americans. I don't think that get a positive result except to race-baiters and whites who have some guilt complex for their own race. I can't think of myself ever having positive feels towards someone as a result of the person making accusations against me. I would think most people are that way.
 

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I don't mean as individuals, but in general? I can see a case being made of it, and here is why I can see people feeling that way.

1. The African-American community is a monolithic voting block that has never diversely integrated politically.

2. It seems every instance of what is perceived as injustice if an African-American is involved is instantly declared due to racism and again African-Americans are a monolithic block of opinion.

3. The spokespersons (self assigned) for the African-American "voice" are incessant race-baiters and rather blantantly racist themselves.

4. Those spokespersons only care of injustice towards African-Americans, but demand everyone care about injustice to African-Americans.

5. White liberals and African-American spokespersons (self assigned) incessantly hold pity-parties - and expect to get things in return for it.

6. Those same African-American spokespersons make it clear they despise white people.

7. Their spokespersons constantly threatening riots, predicting violence and protests if they don't get their way - but again only about African-Americans.

So it is unreasonable for people to have negative feelings towards African-Americans in general?

With constant raging about the evil white people, it seems predictable there would be raging about the evil black people in return. Most people don't like being called names and insulted all the time - despite being told political correctness demands they remain silent and even accept their own evil-ness.

Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with/in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

Thoughts? Let's get it out in the open.

These are certainly reasons to worry about continued division among white and black Americans. However, not a reason to dislike blacks as a race.

What bothers me [some] is all the organized groups claiming prejudice/discrimination at most every opportunity. Let's see we have... the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, Urban League, and others all advancing the ideas their community is treated unfairly.

We all know the white majority is well divided on most political issues and black minority is pretty much united. At least [as pointed out above] as a voting block.

I'm wondering, as the ethnicity in America begins to balance out in the future, will that change and improve the opportunities available to gain higher socioeconomic status? I also wonder if it will ever be PC to organize a Congressional White Caucus and other groups to protect white people's rights/interests.

Anyway, I guess the great "melting pot", that's been discussed for decades, will make these issues moot at some point... or not. It won't as long as we continue to answer questions regarding our race on School and Govt applications for admissions, contracts, and anything else that takes race into consideration for gain.
 

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From what you say it appears that you have a problem.

What you do about it, if anything, is up to you.

^ An absolutely worthless message.
 

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Here is another example of what I have been told is not an uncommon accusation of racism out of bitterness or hoping to use it to benefit. I have been told this is not uncommon, and it has happened to by my wife and a few times to me in the past. Her example.

An African-American teenager asked here out on a date when she was in high school. She said no, seeing no reason to give a reason. In fact, she did not date anyone until after high school. His response? "You won't go out with me because I'm black."

Although not that common, sometimes when I rejected a proposition from an African-American woman (it's a two-way street) she would declare it was because she was black. At that point, any potential interest I might have in her in the future vanished immediately and permanently. In fact, the majority of woman I was with in the past were African-American because that was the predominate race where I lived and worked.

It seems that many African-Americans have been convinced it works to their advantage some how to accuse people of being racist any time the don't like what a person of another race does. In my opinion, the more common outcome is a negative reaction. This also appears fairly restricted to African-Americans. It seems rare for people of other ethnicity to cry "RACISM!" at everyone and everything they don't like if it involves someone of another race.
 

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These are certainly reasons to worry about continued division among white and black Americans. However, not a reason to dislike blacks as a race.

What bothers me [some] is all the organized groups claiming prejudice/discrimination at most every opportunity. Let's see we have... the Congressional Black Caucus, NAACP, Urban League, and others all advancing the ideas their community is treated unfairly.

We all know the white majority is well divided on most political issues and black minority is pretty much united. At least [as pointed out above] as a voting block.

I'm wondering, as the ethnicity in America begins to balance out in the future, will that change and improve the opportunities available to gain higher socioeconomic status? I also wonder if it will ever be PC to organize a Congressional White Caucus and other groups to protect white people's rights/interests.

Anyway, I guess the great "melting pot", that's been discussed for decades, will make these issues moot at some point... or not. It won't as long as we continue to answer questions regarding our race on School and Govt applications for admissions, contracts, and anything else that takes race into consideration for gain.

Asking people their race and/or ethnicity should be outlawed from all school, government and employment papers and applications - and for many reasons. Plus, it's face, it asserts people stick to their own race in terms of having children - which is false. Obama just as accurately could be called "the next White President" as the "first Black President." And many people don't actually know their full racial identity - even if they think they do. Looking in the mirror or asking your parents won't always give an accurate response.
 

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So? There's traditionally only been one party over the last fifty years to actively work for them.

Nonsense. The only people who do that are those who want to sell tension. Dislike those individuals if you wish, but not blacks in general.

I think you defeated this point yourself...they are self assigned spokespersons. I still remember something my friend John told me years ago (part quote, part paraphrase), "Jesse Jackson doesn't speak for me. Al Sharpton doesn't speak for me. I speak for myself. I evaluate things and decide on my own what to think about them. Sharpton and Jackson don't speak for every black person in this country."

Those spokespersons only care about making money. An America absent the belief of racial inequality is an America from which they cannot profit.

So we should dislike all black people because of white liberals and the few self assigned spokespersons?

Nah, I'm sure they don't care that much. They just want to exploit race for monetary gain.

The self assigned spokespersons speak for themselves, not the whole.

So, in conclusion, the answer is no. There is no reasons to generally not like black people.

Are these comments SARCASM ?????
 

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Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not black, white or brown, other than maybe a tad of African-American back there - don't know. I've lived with/in a variety of ethnic and racial communities. However, of my negative feelings towards racial groups as a whole (not individually), actually it is towards the 2 that are (1 of which is a distant possibility) my own ancestry. Meaning I don't have to feel guilt nor am defending myself in raising this topic.

So what you're saying is thhat you are prejudiced against African Americans (even though you're maybe like 1/64th "black") because of some contrived narritive you've manufactured based largely on how the media (which you have to know bases it's decisions to publish on shock value) covers race issues.

Next time I start taking you seriously in any capacity please remind me to stop.

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The OP is nothing more than the standard tripe used by racists to rationalize their prejudice. Nobody in the history of the planet ever watched Sharpton say something stupid on television and then decide "well I guess I hate black people now". No, you already were a bigot and the people on TV just make convenient scapegoats.
 
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