Do Democrats have a plan for the future?

[Navy Pride]

Since Dean took over as head of the DNC, they have been working on organising in every district of every state. We are currently at 49 states. Dean has also cut the fundraising advantage from 3-1 to 2-1.

Remember - the Dem's are nothing more than an opposition party now. You all know that they do not control House, Senate or Presidency, consequently, no legistlation offered EVER sees the light of day.

That aside. Look for something similar to Dem "Contract With America" sometime in the spring of 06. There is no point in putting out a position now while the Republican party is self destructing; Iraq, Delay, Abramoff, Frist, Libby, Plamegate, Rove, Cuinningham, Bey etc. etc.

Here are some of the points that I feel will be in it.

1. NASA like program for oil independence.
2. A call for fiscal responsiblity and a balanced budget.
3. A call for Gov. to get out of the bedroom - end of life issues, gay rights
4. Push for stronger public education - reform or eliminate flwed NCLB program.
5. Clearer plan for victory in Iraq and subsequesnt exit strategy.
6. National Health care.
7. Voter reform - with paper verifibale ballots.
8. Stronger government corruption legislation.
9. End to illegal/racially motivated redistricticting - (partly dependedent on Supreme Court ruling)
10. End to tax cuts for top 1% of Americans rolled back to 2000 levels.
11. Clearer plan for capturing/killing Bin Laden.

1. Let us drill for oil in our own country and get away from Mid east oil.
2. Hopefully we won't have anymore attacks or natural disasters .
3. Yeah like repeal Roe V Wade..The gov has no business there.
4. Yeah pour billions of more dollars into a failed program.
5. Yeah dems have no plan now.
6. Lets just go right to socialism or communism.
7. Yeah every electiond dems lose its fixed.
9. ROTFLMAO

 

[Navy Pride]

Since Dean took over as head of the DNC, they have been working on organising in every district of every state. We are currently at 49 states. Dean has also cut the fundraising advantage from 3-1 to 2-1.

Remember - the Dem's are nothing more than an opposition party now. You all know that they do not control House, Senate or Presidency, consequently, no legistlation offered EVER sees the light of day.

That aside. Look for something similar to Dem "Contract With America" sometime in the spring of 06. There is no point in putting out a position now while the Republican party is self destructing; Iraq, Delay, Abramoff, Frist, Libby, Plamegate, Rove, Cuinningham, Bey etc. etc.

Here are some of the points that I feel will be in it.

1. NASA like program for oil independence.
2. A call for fiscal responsiblity and a balanced budget.
3. A call for Gov. to get out of the bedroom - end of life issues, gay rights
4. Push for stronger public education - reform or eliminate flwed NCLB program.
5. Clearer plan for victory in Iraq and subsequesnt exit strategy.
6. National Health care.
7. Voter reform - with paper verifibale ballots.
8. Stronger government corruption legislation.
9. End to illegal/racially motivated redistricticting - (partly dependedent on Supreme Court ruling)
10. End to tax cuts for top 1% of Americans rolled back to 2000 levels.
11. Clearer plan for capturing/killing Bin Laden.

1. Let us drill for oil in our own country and get away from Mid east oil.
2. Hopefully we won't have anymore attacks or natural disasters .
3. Yeah like repeal Roe V Wade..The gov has no business there.
4. Yeah pour billions of more dollars into a failed program.
5. Yeah dems have no plan now.
6. Lets just go right to socialism or communism.
7. Yeah every electiond dems lose its fixed.
8. ROTFLMAO
9. The SCOTUS will rule in favor of redistricting...Book it.
10 Tax increase.
11 Bin Laden has not been heard from in a year.....he is a non factor or dead......

Very weak hips.......Can't you dems do something without trying to copy the republicans contrct with America?

 

[libertarian_knight]

The decline in voter turnout? We had the biggest turnout of voters in the history of this country in 2004..........

It was not only the biggest turnout, it was a pretty big battle for a war time incumbant president to face. Republicans won, but I don't think you appreiciate how close GWB came to actually losing.

It was almost as if it were a real election. However, I think the poster to which you responded was more speaking in the vein of a general trend, not a banner year.

 

[Navy Pride]

It was not only the biggest turnout, it was a pretty big battle for a war time incumbant president to face. Republicans won, but I don't think you appreiciate how close GWB came to actually losing.

It was almost as if it were a real election. However, I think the poster to which you responded was more speaking in the vein of a general trend, not a banner year.

Yeah, right.........You lost in 2000, 2002, 2004 and you will lose again in 2006, and 2008............get use to it.......The moderates and conservatives in our country is not drinking the liberal kool aid and never will.........

 

[libertarian_knight]

1. Let us drill for oil in our own country and get away from Mid east oil.
2. Hopefully we won't have anymore attacks or natural disasters .
3. Yeah like repeal Roe V Wade..The gov has no business there.
4. Yeah pour billions of more dollars into a failed program.
5. Yeah dems have no plan now.
6. Lets just go right to socialism or communism.
7. Yeah every electiond dems lose its fixed.
8. ROTFLMAO
9. The SCOTUS will rule in favor of redistricting...Book it.
10 Tax increase.
11 Bin Laden has not been heard from in a year.....he is a non factor or dead......

Very weak hips.......Can't you dems do something without trying to copy the republicans contrct with America?

1. Won't cut it, not enough oil there. It's like saying, let's buy herion from my neighbor, instead of going to the hood. We need to stop mainlining oil.
2. blah.
3. ABortions happen in the bedroom? (well, only if I am banging a pregnant chick, but generally they don't) :rofl
4. Public Ed is flawed, because it's run command and control too much. One size does not fit all (see #3)
5. Then why did the president do what the dems wanted, and talk about the war the past few days, admit mistakes, and outline goals? Oh and cave to torture.
6. Don't need national healthcare to go right into socialism, this prez is against national healthcare, and he's quite socialist himself (how many federal resource control boards did he dismantle?)
7. It's not about fixed elections, it's about election well above repraoch. How can the leader and exporter of democracy actually do those with a straight face, when there are CLEARLY election problems in this country. Accuracy and redundancy if you care about democracy.
8. why laugh? it was the reps that lowered ethics standards, and dems that forced them back on. Dems may not be uncorrupted, but at least they tried a little better.
9. Probably true, but then again, there are serious concerns with gerrymandering. Changing the rules, so the team you root for (which you are not a part of), can win, doesn't say much about the strength of your team. Why didn't they just try and fix the ways redistricting occurs? Reps were once upset about the very same tactic they now use (that's corruption FYI).
10. true, let's do what we should do, and cut the US federal budget by 50% next year. That way, we can really reduce taxes.
11. He was kinda quiet before 9-11 too.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

The decline in voter turnout? We had the biggest turnout of voters in the history of this country in 2004..........

yeah, and as a percentage of eligible voters it was what, 33%?

As the population of the country expands, of course the number of voters will expand. But the number of abstainers will also increase.

As far as I can tell, people aren't voting because the GOP is too liberal. I know I haven't wasted a vote on them in years for just that reason.

 

[Scarecrow Akhbar]

1. NASA like program for oil independence.

The Republicans have a temporary one. It's called getting a pipe to ANWAR and back by the end of the decade.

A permanent plan will involve a thousand new nuclear power plants, including one in your back yard.

2. A call for fiscal responsiblity and a balanced budget.

Funny how the deficit kings of the 80's are suddenly budget hawks. Can anyone identify the pork barrel programs they've cut from their own districts? This is a real joke. Neither party should be trusted on this.

3. A call for Gov. to get out of the bedroom - end of life issues, gay rights

Fair enough, when are they going to stop killing babies? That's a bedroom issue, too.

4. Push for stronger public education - reform or eliminate flwed NCLB program.

End Ted Kennedy's education scams? How about just ending public education? That would fit inside the Constitution. The teacher's unions controlling the DNC wouldn't like it though.

5. Clearer plan for victory in Iraq and subsequesnt exit strategy.

What, you don't understand the plan? The plan is to assist Iraq to become a stable democracy, then have our troops on hand to present a permanent threat to Iran, Syria, etc. It works for me.

6. National Health care.

That's easy to do. The government's responsibility for national health is clearly defined in the Constititution. Read the Tenth Amendment. Running hospitals isn't mentioned, ergo, it's not a federal issue.

7. Voter reform - with paper verifibale ballots.

Ah. Voter reform. Voters need reforming, that's a fact. They should be able to read. In English. They should be paying taxes. They shouldn't be government employees or anyone else dragging money from the state.

Yes, I'm all for reforming voters.

8. Stronger government corruption legislation.

Isn't government corruption strong enough? Clinton got away, so I think it is.

Besides, if DEMOCRATS put that in their platform we'd know they're not serious.

9. End to illegal/racially motivated redistricticting - (partly dependedent on Supreme Court ruling).

What? When almost all black congressional seats are held by Democrats and that's principally because of illegal race-based gerrymandering the Democrats are going to find religion and complain about gerrymandering. Make me laugh some more.

10. End to tax cuts for top 1% of Americans rolled back to 2000 levels.

Why? How about cutting spending so further tax cuts can be enacted? How about taxing the poor, who get the most benefits, so they can pay their fair share? That rich people have money isn't justification for stealing it.

11. Clearer plan for capturing/killing Bin Laden.

Okay. The plan starts with: Invade Pakistan.

You like that idea? If you don't, you can't have a clearer plan.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

So, could it be, that Democrats have many plans, and believe all of them better plans than the Admins? (I of course, think they are wrong, and the Admin plan, well short of not really being a plan, is not really good either.)

TITUS< so that's the problem, democrats don't have A single plan, they have many, and the admin, at best, just came up with one and have to stick to it, because they have no backup or alternative plans?

BESIDES, government plans are socialist, just like this President and the Pledge of Alliegence.

Here's what planning will get you. The Road to Serfdom

The only plan a government will come up with, is how better to make ruled subjects out of you. They'll plan how to steal your money. They plan on who they give it to. They'll plan on how you make your money. And they'll plan whether you live or die.

I read your cute little cartoon so I take it you're an anarchist? I'm not talking about a state planned economy here, and even if I were the New Deal didn't lead to fascism it did lead to stagnation and inflation, however, that paved the way for a neo-liberalist economic policy under Reagan. Granted Bush is quite liberal but a socialist? Gimme a freaking break.

 

[libertarian_knight]

yeah, and as a percentage of eligible voters it was what, 33%?

As the population of the country expands, of course the number of voters will expand. But the number of abstainers will also increase.

As far as I can tell, people aren't voting because the GOP is too liberal. I know I haven't wasted a vote on them in years for just that reason.

Typically ~50% of VAP (Voting Age Population) actually votes. It was slightly higher in 2004, around 52% IIRC. I have a website, bookmarked at home, I can check later.

Bear in mind, elections are "close" and 1/2 the voters vote for one of two candidate. So, 1/2 of 50% is 25%. Elections are decided by a 25% minority, typically. It's part of the reason corruption and lobbying is so effective in the US. The slightly more mobile minority get's the power, and therefor the corruptors and lobbyists can unduly influence the guy 75% of the population didn't choose.

 

[Navy Pride]

1. Won't cut it, not enough oil there. It's like saying, let's buy herion from my neighbor, instead of going to the hood. We need to stop mainlining oil.
2. blah.
3. ABortions happen in the bedroom? (well, only if I am banging a pregnant chick, but generally they don't) :rofl
4. Public Ed is flawed, because it's run command and control too much. One size does not fit all (see #3)
5. Then why did the president do what the dems wanted, and talk about the war the past few days, admit mistakes, and outline goals? Oh and cave to torture.
6. Don't need national healthcare to go right into socialism, this prez is against national healthcare, and he's quite socialist himself (how many federal resource control boards did he dismantle?)
7. It's not about fixed elections, it's about election well above repraoch. How can the leader and exporter of democracy actually do those with a straight face, when there are CLEARLY election problems in this country. Accuracy and redundancy if you care about democracy.
8. why laugh? it was the reps that lowered ethics standards, and dems that forced them back on. Dems may not be uncorrupted, but at least they tried a little better.
9. Probably true, but then again, there are serious concerns with gerrymandering. Changing the rules, so the team you root for (which you are not a part of), can win, doesn't say much about the strength of your team. Why didn't they just try and fix the ways redistricting occurs? Reps were once upset about the very same tactic they now use (that's corruption FYI).
10. true, let's do what we should do, and cut the US federal budget by 50% next year. That way, we can really reduce taxes.
11. He was kinda quiet before 9-11 too.

No offense but I will just wait for hips to respond......I was responding to him and although very misguided he does bring something to the table......:roll:

 

[libertarian_knight]

No offense but I will just wait for hips to respond......I was responding to him and although very misguided he does bring something to the table......:roll:

Yeah, you want something brought to the table. Small easy things you can Handle. I bring the Table, the chairs and the house brother. I Understand how someone could be overwhelmed, with all that I have put before them.

BTW, just because your wrong, or need correction or adjustment from time to time, doesn't mean democrats are right. I'll bring this to the table for you, something small and catchy. The Hegalian Dialectic is an illusion.

 

[hipsterdufus]

1. Let us drill for oil in our own country and get away from Mid east oil.
2. Hopefully we won't have anymore attacks or natural disasters .
3. Yeah like repeal Roe V Wade..The gov has no business there.
4. Yeah pour billions of more dollars into a failed program.
5. Yeah dems have no plan now.
6. Lets just go right to socialism or communism.
7. Yeah every electiond dems lose its fixed.
9. ROTFLMAO

1. Any way you slice it, the US doesn't have the reserves to be oil independent.

2. The war and Katrina are only a small part of our 8 trillion dollar defecit. Also the debt is expected to increase to 11 trillion by 2120 at the current rate. The cost of the war approx : 251 billion , Katrina- 63 Billion

3. With at least 6 years of Republican controlled House,Sentate and Presidency and 7 out of 9 Supreme court Justices appointed by Republicans my sense is that's a done deal IF Republicans really want to overturn Roe v. Wade. There is NO ONE to stop the Republicans from overturning Roe v. Wade today!

Do it! Do it now! Or are you afraid to?

I'm taking bets 10 to 1 that Republicans don't. Why? It's the constant holding of the carrot at the end of a stick to single issue voters.

4. I fail to see the reason that investing in our future - children - is seen as a bad investment. Vouchers certainly are not the answer. Study after study has proven that. The real reason NCLB was passed was to break the back of the teacher's union. Ted Kennedy was suckered into that one.

5. Most Dems favor outlining public benchmarks to determine a U.S. transfer of power to Iraq, then removing troops from the front lines in Iraq as quickly as possible. It is, though, Bush's war.

6. This problem has been solved in almost every civilised nation in the world. Many with lower per capita incomes than the US. There are currently 45 million Americans uninsured (that's four times more than the population of Greece) The National Center for Health Statistics has studied the following: Insurance premiums are groing 5 times faster than wages, while benefits are shrinking. The US has a lower life expectancy than 22 other Nations.

It would be very simple to expand Medicaid to cover those people that are not currently insured. It would also SAVE Billions of dollars in paperwork on the system.

7. Just look at the latest GAO report. Also the head of Diebold - who guaranteed victory for Bush in Ohio in 2004 just resigned. I'm not saying it's fixed, but if Howard Dean can hack into a Diebold machine in 10 minutes - I would be worried if I were a Republican. :mrgreen:

9. - The supreme court will here the case of illegal redistricting in Texas.

Dec. 15, 2005 — With the case of Bush vs. Gore in 2000, the Supreme Court made it abundantly clear it was willing, when appropriate, to delve into the political thicket. Now the court again has jumped into the fray, this time involving the controversial 2003 Texas redistricting plan that culminated in Republicans garnering more congressional seats.

But the gains at the ballot box have not come without a price. Rep. Tom Delay, R-Texas, was chastised by the House Ethics Committee for using a federal government agency to track down a private aircraft carrying Democratic legislators, and he has been indicted by a Texas grand jury on state money laundering charges.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1409326

 

[M14 Shooter]

It was not only the biggest turnout, it was a pretty big battle for a war time incumbant president to face. Republicans won, but I don't think you appreiciate how close GWB came to actually losing.

100,000 voters in Ohio.

Of course, had 51,000 of them swung the other way, you'd never hear the Democrats say another thing about the electoral college.

 

[Navy Pride]

1. Any way you slice it, the US doesn't have the reserves to be oil independent.

2. The war and Katrina are only a small part of our 8 trillion dollar defecit. Also the debt is expected to increase to 11 trillion by 2120 at the current rate. The cost of the war approx : 251 billion , Katrina- 63 Billion

3. With at least 6 years of Republican controlled House,Sentate and Presidency and 7 out of 9 Supreme court Justices appointed by Republicans my sense is that's a done deal IF Republicans really want to overturn Roe v. Wade. There is NO ONE to stop the Republicans from overturning Roe v. Wade today!

Do it! Do it now! Or are you afraid to?

I'm taking bets 10 to 1 that Republicans don't. Why? It's the constant holding of the carrot at the end of a stick to single issue voters.

4. I fail to see the reason that investing in our future - children - is seen as a bad investment. Vouchers certainly are not the answer. Study after study has proven that. The real reason NCLB was passed was to break the back of the teacher's union. Ted Kennedy was suckered into that one.

5. Most Dems favor outlining public benchmarks to determine a U.S. transfer of power to Iraq, then removing troops from the front lines in Iraq as quickly as possible. It is, though, Bush's war.

6. This problem has been solved in almost every civilised nation in the world. Many with lower per capita incomes than the US. There are currently 45 million Americans uninsured (that's four times more than the population of Greece) The National Center for Health Statistics has studied the following: Insurance premiums are groing 5 times faster than wages, while benefits are shrinking. The US has a lower life expectancy than 22 other Nations.

It would be very simple to expand Medicaid to cover those people that are not currently insured. It would also SAVE Billions of dollars in paperwork on the system.

7. Just look at the latest GAO report. Also the head of Diebold - who guaranteed victory for Bush in Ohio in 2004 just resigned. I'm not saying it's fixed, but if Howard Dean can hack into a Diebold machine in 10 minutes - I would be worried if I were a Republican. :mrgreen:

9. - The supreme court will here the case of illegal redistricting in Texas.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1409326

1. Not oil independent maybe but no one knows for sure how much oil there is.....Why not find out.......The president alloted billions for hydrogen research.....

2. We have always ran deficits in a time of war and we have had 2 wars.....

3. The republicans got snooked on a couple of those jusges..Soutar comes to mind.....that won't happen again.....I just hope I live long enough to see unnecessary murder in the womb abolished.

4. Investing in our children is one thing but pouring money down a black hole is another and that is what we have been doing since LBJs great society.Our publc school system is failing......Kids graduate from high school and can not read or write......Its half as expensive to send schools to private schools.....Why not try Vouchers? They are working in DC. We both know why though......the dems are in the back pocket of the crooked NEA.

5. The prisident has stated the plan over and over again but most dems just won't listen...all they do is criticize........The american people are tired of that......The president has said that as the Iraqis stand up in the security are are troops will stand down........That is the plan......Oh and if the duly elected gov of Iraq asks us to leave we will do so........

6. The Canadians have national health insurance and its a disaster....I personally have known people with very serious medical problems and they have to wait up to a year for surgeries.........They end up coming to the states to get it done.........Your girl Hillary tried a national health thing in the early nineties and was laughed out of the congress.....It would have cost one fourth of our budget to implement,,,,,,,,,,,,Do you want to pay for that?

7. Get off that diebold crap.......are we going to hear that everytime dems lose and election for the rest of history? There is no right wing conspiracy...I would have thought you would have learned from the Hillary travesty..........

8. What happened to 8.......Did you give up on that one?:lol:

9. That is right they will hear it and I am willing to bet that the redistricting done in Texas will hold up.........

10. What happened to 10? did you give up on that one?:lol:

 

[Navy Pride]

100,000 voters in Ohio.

Of course, had 51,000 of them swung the other way, you'd never hear the Democrats say another thing about the electoral college.

The only reason the dems are against the electoral college is becasue Gore supposedly won the popular vote in 2000.........If Bush would have called for a recall in some of the states that were closr and Gore won he probably would have won the popular vote.....Unlike Gore Bush had to much class to do that........

 

[M14 Shooter]

The Republicans have a temporary one. It's called getting a pipe to ANWAR and back by the end of the decade.
A permanent plan will involve a thousand new nuclear power plants, including one in your back yard.

I already have one -- but I'll take another, thank you.

Funny how the deficit kings of the 80's are suddenly budget hawks. Can anyone identify the pork barrel programs they've cut from their own districts? This is a real joke. Neither party should be trusted on this.

Right.
Until the dems thought a Surplus would make Gore look good, the Dems didnt give a hoot about decifts. If the GOP had not taken over Congress in 1994, the deficts today would be even bigger.

Fair enough, when are they going to stop killing babies? That's a bedroom issue, too.

Abotion is the Uberright. Liberal democrats will kill their first born (say nothing of their first un-born) before giving that one up.

End Ted Kennedy's education scams? How about just ending public education? That would fit inside the Constitution. The teacher's unions controlling the DNC wouldn't like it though.

Correctamindo. The word "education" does not appear in the Constitution, The states have plenary power here; the USDoEd should be disbanded.

What, you don't understand the plan? The plan is to assist Iraq to become a stable democracy, then have our troops on hand to present a permanent threat to Iran, Syria, etc. It works for me.

One can only wonder what the Dem plan for Iraq would be, if not 'do what Bush is doing right now'. you can say "we'll have a better plan' but until you can show how its different than the current one, you;re just saying "me too! me too!".

That's easy to do. The government's responsibility for national health is clearly defined in the Constititution. Read the Tenth Amendment. Running hospitals isn't mentioned, ergo, it's not a federal issue.

Hey!! We cant let something so silly as the Constitution get in the way of our efforts to briong Socialism to the country!!

Ah. Voter reform. Voters need reforming, that's a fact. They should be able to read. In English. They should be paying taxes. They shouldn't be government employees or anyone else dragging money from the state.

Liberal Democrats are crying about the idea of voters having to have ID before they vote.
Does anyone wonder why?

What? When almost all black congressional seats are held by Democrats and that's principally because of illegal race-based gerrymandering the Democrats are going to find religion and complain about gerrymandering. Make me laugh some more.

You moron -- dont you remember slavery? Whitey must pay!
Tranlation:
Its only racism if white people are taking an action that gives them benifit over minorities - if its the other way around, its OK.

 

[hipsterdufus]

The Republicans have a temporary one. It's called getting a pipe to ANWAR and back by the end of the decade.
A permanent plan will involve a thousand new nuclear power plants, including one in your back yard.

I'm not opposed to the ANWAR drilling, but at best it's a short term solution.
How do you know that nuclear is the answer to all of our problems?

Funny how the deficit kings of the 80's are suddenly budget hawks. Can anyone identify the pork barrel programs they've cut from their own districts? This is a real joke. Neither party should be trusted on this.

It is funny isn't it? Clinton and Dean though both balanced the budgets. It's now an issue we can run on. Hard to believe I must say....

Fair enough, when are they going to stop killing babies? That's a bedroom issue, too.

Please, overturn Roe v. Wade today, this instant!!!!! Who can stop you? Not the Dems - we have no power. As I posted previously, the Republicans WILL NOT OVERTURN ROE V WADE in the (at least 6 years) that they have COMPLETE power. Why? They know the political ramifications. So , instead, they hold it out as the carrot at the end of the stick.

There are many Pro-life Dems, but it's not going to happen on our next watch. Trust me on that one. If you want to get it done, you have 12 months.

End Ted Kennedy's education scams? How about just ending public education? That would fit inside the Constitution. The teacher's unions controlling the DNC wouldn't like it though.

Like I said earlier - Ted Kennedy blew it on this one. NCLB's goal is to break up the teachers union. BTW- I'm not a member. The downside is that it will put an end to public eduction too.

How many in your family's history relied on public education? I will admit that it's a little better where I teach - but it's also 16K to walk in the door. No voucher is going to get you close to that.

What, you don't understand the plan? The plan is to assist Iraq to become a stable democracy, then have our troops on hand to present a permanent threat to Iran, Syria, etc. It works for me.

So you're for permanet occupation? Hmm. I missed that in the big speeches.

That's easy to do. The government's responsibility for national health is clearly defined in the Constititution. Read the Tenth Amendment. Running hospitals isn't mentioned, ergo, it's not a federal issue.

I don't disagree on the State's rights issue. I would however vote for HJ Res 30.

'SECTION 1. All citizens of the United States shall enjoy the right to health care of equal high quality.
'SECTION 2. The Congress shall have power to implement this article by appropriate legislation.

Attorney General John Ashcroft sent a letter to the National Rifle Association asserting that every American has a constitutional RIGHT TO A GUN. In it he wrote: "Let me state unequivocally my view that the text and the original intent of the Second Amendment clearly protect the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms." However, there's NO RIGHT to HEALTH CARE in the Constitution?

http://www.house.gov/jackson/HealthAmendment.htm

Ah. Voter reform. Voters need reforming, that's a fact. They should be able to read. In English. They should be paying taxes. They shouldn't be government employees or anyone else dragging money from the state.

So our ancestors, the LEGAL immigrants that laid the background for subsequent generations to prosper shouldn't have been able to vote? Give me a ****ing break.

Isn't government corruption strong enough? Clinton got away, so I think it is.

Besides, if DEMOCRATS put that in their platform we'd know they're not serious.

I think this is a bipartisan issue that Dems can get a lot of mileage in today's culture of corruption with the Republican party. Clearly absolute power corrupts absolutely.

What? When almost all black congressional seats are held by Democrats and that's principally because of illegal race-based gerrymandering the Democrats are going to find religion and complain about gerrymandering. Make me laugh some more.

Let's see what the Supreme Court has to say. I'll wait.

Why? How about cutting spending so further tax cuts can be enacted? How about taxing the poor, who get the most benefits, so they can pay their fair share? That rich people have money isn't justification for stealing it.

If you're in the top 1% I can see why you would want to keep the status quo. How much do you think you would get from taxing the poor. The bottom 50% had 2.8% of the wealth in this country in 2001.

http://www.faireconomy.org/research/wealth_charts.html

Okay. The plan starts with: Invade Pakistan.

You like that idea? If you don't, you can't have a clearer plan.[/

QUOTE]

I think we have some "capital" with Musharraf after sending 100 million in Aid.

The magnitude and timeliness of the US response to the disaster has not been lost on the average Pakistani "We didn't know what to think of the Americans before, but they have [come and helped]....God bless the Americans, they have been so kind,"

http://www.usaid.gov/pk/

Perhaps we could use that good will to go after Bin Ladens' slimy ass without declaring war on the country. Huh huh :roll:

 

[DeeJayH]

3. With at least 6 years of Republican controlled House,Sentate and Presidency and 7 out of 9 Supreme court Justices appointed by Republicans my sense is that's a done deal IF Republicans really want to overturn Roe v. Wade. There is NO ONE to stop the Republicans from overturning Roe v. Wade today!

Do it! Do it now! Or are you afraid to?

I'm taking bets 10 to 1 that Republicans don't. Why? It's the constant holding of the carrot at the end of a stick to single issue voters.

RvW will be overturned or slimmed down drastically by SCOTUS
that is Bush's plan for ridding this country of such an abomination
and thus suffer little political fallout

 

[jamesrage]

You hear all the time Democrats attacking the plan of the administration and the conservatives in general, and while I'll agree that a large portion of the party of ideas has lost their way (what's that old adage about absolute power?) I have still yet to hear of a tangible plan from those on the left. To win elections it takes more than devisive anti-Republican rhetoric they actually need an agenda to lay out to the American people not just empty campaign promises either.

So the question is do the Democrats have a plan for the future?

You should have added a "yes..Oh wait no..can I change my mind" or a "yes the do but they do not know yet" option to that poll.

 

[Caine]

RvW will be overturned or slimmed down drastically by SCOTUS
that is Bush's plan for ridding this country of such an abomination
and thus suffer little political fallout

Wow.... another emotional appeal for the abolishment of abortion.

 

[Caine]

You should have added a "yes..Oh wait no..can I change my mind" or a "yes the do but they do not know yet" option to that poll.

I guess the same should go to the Republican Party.

WMDs..........
Ties to Al Quada......
Harriet Miers......

Just to name a FEW.

 

[DeeJayH]

Wow.... another emotional appeal for the abolishment of abortion.

wrong
overturning RvW will only end Abortion On Demand
rape, incest, and mothers health have always been legal reasons to terminate a pregnancy, and always will be
and if Abortion on Demand is eliminated, than the outrage over abortion in general will diminish greatly

 

[Caine]

wrong
overturning RvW will only end Abortion On Demand
rape, incest, and mothers health have always been legal reasons to terminate a pregnancy, and always will be
and if Abortion on Demand is eliminated, than the outrage over abortion in general will diminish greatly

You missed the point..

The point was that it was just another EMOTIONAL argument against the overturning of the aforementioned case (there happy... people always have to get "technical").

Im basically stating that the arguments against abortion always fail because they who the emotional weakness of the person making them when they try to use terms like Murder, which no law has defined it as... or other terms to make the procedure sound like something in a Friday the 13th movie...

 

[DeeJayH]

WMDs...........

can you Faulty intelligence as opposed to what was stated by jamesrage

Ties to Al Quada.......

i remember ties to terrorism, but not ties to alQaida

Harriet Miers.......

getting closer to target
but still poor analogy
wasnt a flip flop, was a misread of the backlash the decision had

 

[DeeJayH]

You missed the point..

The point was that it was just another EMOTIONAL argument against the overturning of the aforementioned case (there happy... people always have to get "technical").

Im basically stating that the arguments against abortion always fail because they who the emotional weakness of the person making them when they try to use terms like Murder, which no law has defined it as... or other terms to make the procedure sound like something in a Friday the 13th movie...

you will have your law when Bush finishes realigning SCOTUS

i seem to recall slavery used to be legal
same can be said for segregation
etc, etc, etc.....
the fact that i am not quoting precedent or case law or whatever else you need to hear, to see Abortion on Demand for the abomination that it is, does not mean Pro lifers are not right
so a fetus has not yet been deemed a life, (YET)
but neither was that negro picking the cotton way back when
used to be, and in many countries you still can, kill your wife with no legal problems

Does that make it right?