Do Democrat Law Makers Bother To Read The Constitution?

[TheHammer]

Sit-in demonstrations, any good patriotic American would logically think would be instigated strictly protesting violations of our Constitution by government. Seems the Congressional House Democrats see them as demonstrations to protest an unwillingness by the Republicans to violate the Constitution.


Can anybody here argue favorable for the Democrats insistence to violate their oath of office “to govern in accordance with the Constitution?” Do Democrats not understand the 5th Amendment and the inalienable right of “due process of law?” Do Democrats even read the Constitution, the rule of law they swear their oath too?

 

[DamnYankee]

Sit-in demonstrations, any good patriotic American would logically think...

Like I've been saying, American politics is a friggin joke and so are the politicians. We have a bunch of dirt bags running the country and there isn't any sign in the near future that any of it is changing.

Might as well party!

 

[Dittohead not!]

Sit-in demonstrations, any good patriotic American would logically think would be instigated strictly protesting violations of our Constitution by government. Seems the Congressional House Democrats see them as demonstrations to protest an unwillingness by the Republicans to violate the Constitution.


Can anybody here argue favorable for the Democrats insistence to violate their oath of office “to govern in accordance with the Constitution?” Do Democrats not understand the 5th Amendment and the inalienable right of “due process of law?” Do Democrats even read the Constitution, the rule of law they swear their oath too?

You mean because Republicans are opposed to the Patriot Act, to warrantless wire tapping, to asset forfeiture laws, and to indefinite detention without trial?

Good to know. I didn't realize they were such adherents to the Bill of Rights.

 

[TheHammer]

You mean because Republicans are opposed to the Patriot Act, to warrantless wire tapping, to asset forfeiture laws, and to indefinite detention without trial?

Good to know. I didn't realize they were such adherents to the Bill of Rights.

Never said any of that, that's your interpretation. Even the Republicans get something right from time to time. This is one of them, do you disagree with that?

 

[blaxshep]

All of these politicians know exactly what the constitution says, they oppose it and do everything they can to "Re-Interpret" it.

IMO violation of the constitutional oath should be treason and punishable by Death.

 

[matchlight]

Like I've been saying, American politics is a friggin joke and so are the politicians. We have a bunch of dirt bags running the country and there isn't any sign in the near future that any of it is changing.

Might as well party!

The fault is in ourselves. The more we become an electorate of Homer Simpsons, the lower the quality of the legislators we elect will decline. The best remedy is never to put these slobs into office in the first place. The next best is to start realizing that impeachment should not be seen as a drastic measure we very rarely resort to. It is a remedy that was not included in the Constitution just as decoration, but to USE.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Never said any of that, that's your interpretation. Even the Republicans get something right from time to time. This is one of them, do you disagree with that?

Yes, I agree with that. The Republicans get something right from time to time, and so do the Democrats.

But neither of them get anything right consistently enough to justify partisan loyalty.

 

[blaxshep]

The fault is in ourselves. The more we become an electorate of Homer Simpsons, the lower the quality of the legislators we elect will decline. The best remedy is never to put these slobs into office in the first place. The next best is to start realizing that impeachment should not be seen as a drastic measure we very rarely resort to. It is a remedy that was not included in the Constitution just as decoration, but to USE.

It is a compound problem because the only people electable are those that can generate billions of dollars to be elected, the kinds of people this includes are nothing but corrupt morally bankrupt people that serve the cronies that fund them.

 

[Thrilla]

Sit-in demonstrations, any good patriotic American would logically think would be instigated strictly protesting violations of our Constitution by government. Seems the Congressional House Democrats see them as demonstrations to protest an unwillingness by the Republicans to violate the Constitution.


Can anybody here argue favorable for the Democrats insistence to violate their oath of office “to govern in accordance with the Constitution?” Do Democrats not understand the 5th Amendment and the inalienable right of “due process of law?” Do Democrats even read the Constitution, the rule of law they swear their oath too?

Unless the issue is Abortion, Democrats are completely uninterested in what the Constitution says or means....this latest gun tantrum of theirs is simply more proof of that.

 

[Thrilla]

The fault is in ourselves. The more we become an electorate of Homer Simpsons, the lower the quality of the legislators we elect will decline. The best remedy is never to put these slobs into office in the first place. The next best is to start realizing that impeachment should not be seen as a drastic measure we very rarely resort to. It is a remedy that was not included in the Constitution just as decoration, but to USE.

the problem with this opinion is that impeachment proceedings, as currently constructed, are an exercise in partisan politics... not justice.

 

[Hypothetical]

All of these politicians know exactly what the constitution says, they oppose it and do everything they can to "Re-Interpret" it.

IMO violation of the constitutional oath should be treason and punishable by Death.

or at least a VERY Long time in prison.

 

[matchlight]

the problem with this opinion is that impeachment proceedings, as currently constructed, are an exercise in partisan politics... not justice.

That's just what they were meant to be. Impeachment is much less a legal procedure than a political one. It gives our fixed-term system of government some of the character of a parliamentary system. It is something like a vote of no confidence--a remedy for any substantial breach of the public trust by a federal civil official. I think it would also be a valuable tool in bringing the vast federal administrative state to heel. It has become an unelected fourth branch of the federal government.and a serious threat to our individual liberties.

 

[matchlight]

All of these politicians know exactly what the constitution says, they oppose it and do everything they can to "Re-Interpret" it.

IMO violation of the constitutional oath should be treason and punishable by Death.

I would say impeachment is the proper remedy. If there is also evidence of criminal acts, the official impeached and removed can separately be prosecuted for them.

 

[Thrilla]

That's just what they were meant to be. Impeachment is much less a legal procedure than a political one. It gives our fixed-term system of government some of the character of a parliamentary system. It is something like a vote of no confidence--a remedy for any substantial breach of the public trust by a federal civil official. I think it would also be a valuable tool in bringing the vast federal administrative state to heel. It has become an unelected fourth branch of the federal government.and a serious threat to our individual liberties.

well, the thing about that is... it's been proven that party affiliation is the only determining factor in deciding on "breaches"....material facts pertaining to any "breaches" are wholly ignored in favor of partisan ties

impeachment, as i see it, is a friggin' joke.... I used to belive it was worthwhile as a remedy... but it's been proven that i was woefully wrong about that.

 

[matchlight]

well, the thing about that is... it's been proven that party affiliation is the only determining factor in deciding on "breaches"....material facts pertaining to any "breaches" are wholly ignored in favor of partisan ties

impeachment, as i see it, is a friggin' joke.... I used to belive it was worthwhile as a remedy... but it's been proven that i was woefully wrong about that.

Why does the fact the process is political make it a joke, in your view? After all, nothing could be more political than voting, and most of us don't take our right to vote as a joke. Impeachment is much like a vote on a particular official taken during his term of office.

Nothing new about impeachment being highly politicized. Read about the machinations behind the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. Congress made a law it knew no President could afford to obey, and when Johnson violated it, then made the violation its basis for impeaching him. It was all a power play by radical Republicans, taking advantage of weak public support for a Democrat President from a Southern state whom they despised.

 

[Ikari]

Sit-in demonstrations, any good patriotic American would logically think would be instigated strictly protesting violations of our Constitution by government. Seems the Congressional House Democrats see them as demonstrations to protest an unwillingness by the Republicans to violate the Constitution.


Can anybody here argue favorable for the Democrats insistence to violate their oath of office “to govern in accordance with the Constitution?” Do Democrats not understand the 5th Amendment and the inalienable right of “due process of law?” Do Democrats even read the Constitution, the rule of law they swear their oath too?

Do the Republicans?

I don't think the Constitution is of much concern to the Republocrats in general.

 

[Thrilla]

Why does the fact the process is political make it a joke, in your view? After all, nothing could be more political than voting, and most of us don't take our right to vote as a joke. Impeachment is much like a vote on a particular official taken during his term of office.

Nothing new about impeachment being highly politicized. Read about the machinations behind the impeachment of Andrew Johnson. Congress made a law it knew no President could afford to obey, and when Johnson violated it, then made the violation its basis for impeaching him. It was all a power play by radical Republicans, taking advantage of weak public support for a Democrat President from a Southern state whom they despised.

I find it to be a joke because facts and material evidence are irrelevant to the proceedings.

it's an utterly useless procedure.

 

[radcen]

You mean because Republicans are opposed to the Patriot Act, to warrantless wire tapping, to asset forfeiture laws, and to indefinite detention without trial?

Good to know. I didn't realize they were such adherents to the Bill of Rights.

This. Beat me to it. I was going to point out many of the same examples where conservatives ignore the Constitution, as well.

Sorry OP, the only thing partisan about violating the Constitution is which parts are being violated.

 

[matchlight]

I find it to be a joke because facts and material evidence are irrelevant to the proceedings.

it's an utterly useless procedure.

I can't share your view on that. I would like to see impeachment used far more often than it is, for federal officials of all kinds--even including Supreme Court justices, in extreme cases. I don't consider any procedure useless if it can get statists kicked out of office. Let conservatives in the House make up the charges against them, if they want. It's not a trial, and the charges can be more or less whatever they want them to be. Not much more justification for impeaching an official is needed than that we're sick and tired of him, and want him gone.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

I can't share your view on that. I would like to see impeachment used far more often than it is, for federal officials of all kinds--even including Supreme Court justices, in extreme cases. I don't consider any procedure useless if it can get statists kicked out of office. Let conservatives in the House make up the charges against them, if they want. It's not a trial, and the charges can be more or less whatever they want them to be. Not much more justification for impeaching an official is needed than that we're sick and tired of him, and want him gone.

Impeachment is not to be used trivially. If any one can get impeached just because people want that person removed, it becomes a tool of oppression.

 

[TheHammer]

All of these politicians know exactly what the constitution says, they oppose it and do everything they can to "Re-Interpret" it.

IMO violation of the constitutional oath should be treason and punishable by Death.

You would think that at least we could impeach and remove the corrupt b&&tards.

 

[TheHammer]

The fault is in ourselves. The more we become an electorate of Homer Simpsons, the lower the quality of the legislators we elect will decline. The best remedy is never to put these slobs into office in the first place. The next best is to start realizing that impeachment should not be seen as a drastic measure we very rarely resort to. It is a remedy that was not included in the Constitution just as decoration, but to USE.

Did you ever watch "Waters World?" Homer Simpson is a genius compared with some of the idiots Waters interviews.

 

[TheHammer]

Yes, I agree with that. The Republicans get something right from time to time, and so do the Democrats.

But neither of them get anything right consistently enough to justify partisan loyalty.

Partisan loyalty is just another form of insanity, i.e. mental clueless-ness.

 

[TheHammer]

Do the Republicans?

I don't think the Constitution is of much concern to the Republocrats in general.

Neither do I. This is one time they're right.

 

[radcen]

You would think that at least we could impeach and remove the corrupt b&&tards.

...or vote them out.

Nah. That's crazy-talk.