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Do Degreed women have a harder time finding a Husband?

Do Degreed women have a harder time finding a Husband?

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No need to say anything else sexist.

No need to say anything else since you are repeatedly wrong. Here is you one more clue--People who go to law school take LSAT's, not GRE's.
 

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People don't really change very much as a whole. Silly ideas come and go, that people of the same gender can really be married for instance, but sooner or later, Reality and Human Nature reassert themselves, without mercy.

How do you define "human nature" ?

How does "human nature" impact on educated women's opportunities for finding a husband?

How will "human nature" reassert itself in relation to same sex marriage?

Do you think that "human nature" will reassert itself and take us back to times when legislation precluded married women from owning property, and domestic violence will again become acceptable as the best way to deal with a wife who fails to please you?
how do you define it?
 
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No need to say anything else since you are repeatedly wrong. Here is you one more clue--People who go to law school take LSAT's, not GRE's.

People in law school call it law school not grad school.
 

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Hmmmmmmm.....
 

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People in law school call it law school not grad school.

Here is another hint--some people do joint degrees like JD/MBA's so "law school" is only half the equation. Hope you are taking notes :2wave:
 
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Here is another hint--some people do joint degrees like JD/MBA's so "law school" is only half the equation. Hope you are taking notes :2wave:

well golly seems you have nothing left for the topic.
 

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Reality is women are and want to be professionals and 80% are not in grad school looking for a sugar daddy.

common sense, really. Most women I know in grad school are either already hooked up or are too busy to factor in romance.

but back to the topic of the thread - it is always interesting to look at REAL research, rather than the speculation of internet troglodytes:

In 1980, the effect of education on both “Current” and “Ever” is negative and highly
significant. The coefficients correspond to marginal effects of -.0031 and -.0028, respectively,
indicating that each additional year of education is associated with about a 3.1 percentage point lower
likelihood of being currently married at, and a 2.8 percentage point lower likelihood of having been
married by, age 40-44 in 1980
. The two measures of education produce virtually identical results.

In 1990, the coefficient of education on “Current” is not significantly different from zero,
while the comparable coefficient on “Ever” is still negative and significant.
In both cases, the
coefficients are significantly smaller (t=9.31 for “Current”, t=6.77 for “Ever”) than in 1980.

The significantly positive coefficient of education on “Current” in 2000 corresponds to a
marginal effect of .0063, indicating that each additional year of education is associated with a 0.63 a
percentage point increase in the likelihood of being married
(t=11.54); this also effect is significantly
different than the effect in 1990 (t=9.62). The effect of education on “Ever” is not significant, but is
significantly greater than the 1990 coefficient (t=6.25).

Overall, these results suggest that a significant success penalty existed in 1980, but fell
significantly in each of the subsequent two decades. The 2000 results suggest the existence of a
success premium for the outcome currently married, and no significant relationship between education
and having ever been married
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http://www.csss.washington.edu/Papers/wp33.pdf
 

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well golly seems you have nothing left for the topic.

You seem to have had nothing to start with. Here is a final clue for you: "Lots of women husband shop in grad school!!!"
 

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Who feckin knows? Intelligent and educated women have always turned me on. Are you asking if educated women have a problem being married to dumbasses? Yes, probably. Can you blame them?
 
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I do notice a lot of single degreed women, even pretty ones, in their twenties and thirties. It's sad because I don't think with the careerist mindset they have that they will ever find a man that earns more than them.



That's what I notice. A ton of degreed, 24-35 women making 35-50k a year thinking they're going to find a 30-35 year old guy making 60-150k+. It just isn't going to happen and they don't see it. It really is out there. There's tons of it. These women have been lied to. There are more degreed women now among under 40's than there are men and those women don't realize that the ratios aren't 1:1. The reality is a lot of these women will never marry because they wait until 28-35 and then realize Mr. 95k a year isn't there and it's too late. Men their own age won't marry them because they don't earn what they earn or they earn the same so they want a woman who earns less and is less careerist, and the irony is these women, even after these facts, still often cannot accept being with men that don't earn significantly more than they do.


The truth is many of these degreed women are in fact never going to marry.
 

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I knew several girls in college that said their main purpose for being there was to find a husband. The M.R.S. Degree, we called it.
 

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The truth is many of these degreed women are in fact never going to marry.

*throws herself on the couch and sobs*
 
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You seem to have had nothing to start with. Here is a final clue for you: "Lots of women husband shop in grad school!!!"

You mean single people look for a mate? Well duh. That was not the point of 80% of females attending. It is still sexist.
 

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You mean single people look for a mate? Well duh. That was not the point of 80% of females attending. It is still sexist.

Tell that to Josie. She has boobies and verified that some women go to college to husband shop. Why would grad school be any different? Here is a clue: It is not. Geez, do I need to buy you the Spark Notes on the human condition?
 

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How do you define "human nature" ?

Why, by looking to the way people now, and always have behaved. To do otherwise might make one a good Marxist, but requires a divorce from Reality.

How does "human nature" impact on educated women's opportunities for finding a husband?

Just in the ways so clearly described in my other posts on the topic.


How will "human nature" reassert itself in relation to same sex marriage?

Well, for one thing, Human Nature is real, while same sex "marriage," is a perverse fantasy.

That said, form time to time in history, homosexual practitioners have attempted to gain acceptability for their little peccadilloes. While they sometimes gain limited success in elite classes and rarely in militant classes, (see Spartans, Mamelukes,) in short order they are once again suppressed by more vital classes, societies countries or conquerors. It is a recurring pattern, across many times and cultures and thus likely an expression of natural tendency. In the case of out own society, the casual and dispassionate historical observer will note the revival of Traditional Militant Islam worldwide, and its homicidal suppression of overt homosexuality. What will likely be written on the next page of history on this sordid topic is not terribly hard to imagine.

Do you think that "human nature" will reassert itself and take us back to times when legislation precluded married women from owning property, and domestic violence will again become acceptable as the best way to deal with a wife who fails to please you?
how do you define it?

No. Those issues are cultural and societal, obviously. The interested student is referred to a study of the rule of women in modern, wealthy and vital Islamic nations.

However, assuming at least a great amount of time in the future of Humanity, it is hard to imagine that just about any form of society that has occurred in the past will not recur in the future.
 

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Tell that to Josie. She has boobies and verified that some women go to college to husband shop. Why would grad school be any different? Here is a clue: It is not. Geez, do I need to buy you the Spark Notes on the human condition?

To clarify.... I don't think the majority of women go to college to find a man. :)
 

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I do notice a lot of single degreed women, even pretty ones, in their twenties and thirties. It's sad because I don't think with the careerist mindset they have that they will ever find a man that earns more than them.



That's what I notice. A ton of degreed, 24-35 women making 35-50k a year thinking they're going to find a 30-35 year old guy making 60-150k+. It just isn't going to happen and they don't see it. It really is out there. There's tons of it. These women have been lied to. There are more degreed women now among under 40's than there are men and those women don't realize that the ratios aren't 1:1. The reality is a lot of these women will never marry because they wait until 28-35 and then realize Mr. 95k a year isn't there and it's too late. Men their own age won't marry them because they don't earn what they earn or they earn the same so they want a woman who earns less and is less careerist, and the irony is these women, even after these facts, still often cannot accept being with men that don't earn significantly more than they do.


The truth is many of these degreed women are in fact never going to marry.

Opinion - devoid of facts.

This means nothing.
 
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Tell that to Josie. She has boobies and verified that some women go to college to husband shop. Why would grad school be any different? Here is a clue: It is not. Geez, do I need to buy you the Spark Notes on the human condition?

Ah well you got a woman to agree that women are not serious and spend a hundred grand to be a glorified prostitute.

women waste taxpayers time faking education and honestly should just walk the streets like proper whores.
 

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Why, by looking to the way people now, and always have behaved. To do otherwise might make one a good Marxist, but requires a divorce from Reality.



Just in the ways so clearly described in my other posts on the topic.




Well, for one thing, human Nature is real, while same sex "marriage," is a perverse fantasy.

That said, form time to time in history, homosexual practitioners attempt to gain acceptability for their little peccadilloes. While they sometimes gain limited success in elites and rarely in militant classes, in short order they are once again suppressed by more vital classes, societies countries or conquerors. It is a recurring pattern, across many times and cultures and thus likely an expression of natural tendency. In the case of out own society, the casual and dispassionate historical observer will note the revival of Traditional Militant Islam worldwide, and its homicidal suppression of overt homosexuality. What will likely be written on the next page of history on this sordid topic is not terribly hard to imagine.



No. Those issues are cultural and societal, obviously. The interested student is referred to a study of the rule of women in modern, wealthy and vital Islamic nations.

However, assuming at least a great amount of time in the future of Humanity, it is hard to imagine that just about any form of society that has occurred in the past will not recur in the future.

OK ...

I understand the basis for machismo fundamentalism, and don't take such opinions seriously.
 
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How wonderful then that I never suggested that they were.

(Hint: reading comprehension is key)

I am with you man. Women don't deserve the education. None have been smart enough to say they aren't just whores so they must be whores.
 

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I am with you man. Women don't deserve the education. None have been smart enough to say they aren't just whores so they must be whores.

You are not with me in any manner.

You are prancing about in some delusion of your own, unfettered by reason or facts.

As a mercy, I leave you unto your sweet, sweet imaginings.
 

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Opinion - devoid of facts.

This means nothing.


Wrong.


Forbes says otherwise.

Careers And Marriage - Forbes


Point: Don’t Marry Career Women

By Michael Noer

How do women, careers and marriage mix? Not well, say social scientists.



Guys: a word of advice. Marry pretty women or ugly ones. Short ones or tall ones. Blondes or brunettes. Just, whatever you do, don’t marry a woman with a career.



Why? Because if many social scientists are to be believed, you run a higher risk of having a rocky marriage. While everyone knows that marriage can be stressful, recent studies have found professional women are more likely to get divorced, more likely to cheat and less likely to have children. And if they do have kids, they are more likely to be unhappy about it. A recent study in Social Forces, a research journal, found that women–even those with a “feminist” outlook–are happier when their husband is the primary breadwinner.



Not a happy conclusion, especially given that many men, particularly successful men, are attracted to women with similar goals and aspirations. And why not? After all, your typical career girl is well educated, ambitious, informed and engaged. All seemingly good things, right? Sure … at least until you get married. Then, to put it bluntly, the more successful she is, the more likely she is to grow dissatisfied with you. Sound familiar?



Many factors contribute to a stable marriage, including the marital status of your spouse’s parents (folks with divorced parents are significantly more likely to get divorced themselves), age at first marriage, race, religious beliefs and socio-economic status. And, of course, many working women are indeed happily and fruitfully married–it’s just that they are less likely to be so than nonworking women. And that, statistically speaking, is the rub.



To be clear, we’re not talking about a high school dropout minding a cash register. For our purposes, a “career girl” has a university-level (or higher) education, works more than 35 hours a week outside the home and makes more than $30,000 a year.



If a host of studies are to be believed, marrying these women is asking for trouble. If they quit their jobs and stay home with the kids, they will be unhappy (Journal of Marriage and Family, 2003). They will be unhappy if they make more money than you do (Social Forces, 2006). You will be unhappy if they make more money than you do (Journal of Marriage and Family, 2001). You will be more likely to fall ill (American Journal of Sociology). Even your house will be dirtier (Institute for Social Research).



Why? Well, despite the fact that the link between work, women and divorce rates is complex and controversial, much of the reasoning is based on a lot of economic theory and a bit of common sense. In classic economics, a marriage is, at least in part, an exercise in labor specialization. Traditionally, men have tended to do “market” or paid work outside the home, and women have tended to do “nonmarket” or household work, including raising children. All of the work must get done by somebody, and this pairing, regardless of who is in the home and who is outside the home, accomplishes that goal. Nobel laureate Gary S. Becker argued that when the labor specialization in a marriage decreases–if, for example, both spouses have careers–the overall value of the marriage is lower for both partners because less of the total needed work is getting done, making life harder for both partners and divorce more likely. And, indeed, empirical studies have concluded just that.



In 2004, John H. Johnson examined data from the Survey of Income and Program Participation and concluded that gender has a significant influence on the relationship between work hours and increases in the probability of divorce. Women’s work hours consistently increase divorce, whereas increases in men’s work hours often have no statistical effect. “I also find that the incidence in divorce is far higher in couples where both spouses are working than in couples where only one spouse is employed,” Johnson says. A few other studies, which have focused on employment (as opposed to working hours), have concluded that working outside the home actually increases marital stability, at least when the marriage is a happy one. But even in these studies, wives’ employment does correlate positively to divorce rates, when the marriage is of “low marital quality.”



The other reason a career can hurt a marriage will be obvious to anyone who has seen his or her mate run off with a co-worker: When your spouse works outside the home, chances increase that he or she will meet someone more likable than you. “The work environment provides a host of potential partners,” researcher Adrian J. Blow reported in The Journal of Marital and Family Therapy, “and individuals frequently find themselves spending a great deal of time with these individuals.”



There’s more: According to a wide-ranging review of the published literature, highly educated people are more likely to have had extramarital sex (those with graduate degrees are 1.75 times more likely to have cheated than those with high school diplomas). Additionally, individuals who earn more than $30,000 a year are more likely to cheat.



And if the cheating leads to divorce, you’re really in trouble. Divorce has been positively correlated with higher rates of alcoholism, clinical depression and suicide. Other studies have associated divorce with increased rates of cancer, stroke, and sexually transmitted disease. Plus, divorce is financially devastating. According to one recent study on “Marriage and Divorce’s Impact on Wealth,” published in The Journal of Sociology, divorced people see their overall net worth drop an average of 77%.



So why not just stay single? Because, academically speaking, a solid marriage has a host of benefits beyond just individual “happiness.” There are broader social and health implications as well. According to a 2004 paper titled “What Do Social Scientists Know About the Benefits of Marriage?,” marriage is positively associated with “better outcomes for children under most circumstances” and higher earnings for adult men, and “being married and being in a satisfying marriage are positively associated with health and negatively associated with mortality.” In other words, a good marriage is associated with a higher income, a longer, healthier life and better-adjusted kids.



A word of caution, though: As with any social scientific study, it’s important not to confuse correlation with causation. In other words, just because married folks are healthier than single people, it doesn’t mean that marriage is causing the health gains. It could just be that healthier people are more likely to be married.
 

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To clarify.... I don't think the majority of women go to college to find a man. :)

Of course not--some go to find a woman.
 
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