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Disney Pulls Plug on $1 Billion Development in Florida

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Hmmmm.. I wonder how Florida voters are gonna take this... Sometimes it takes finding out....

In March, Disney called Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida “anti-business” for his scorched-earth attempt to tighten oversight of the company’s theme park resort near Orlando. Last month, when Disney sued the governor and his allies for what it called “a targeted campaign of government retaliation,” the company made clear that $17 billion in planned investment in Walt Disney World was on the line.

“Does the state want us to invest more, employ more people, and pay more taxes, or not?” Robert A. Iger, Disney’s chief executive, said on an earnings-related conference call with analysts last week.

On Thursday, Mr. Iger and Josh D’Amaro, Disney’s theme park and consumer products chairman, showed that they were not bluffing, pulling the plug on a nearly $1 billion office complex that was scheduled for construction in Orlando. It would have brought more than 2,000 jobs to the region, with $120,000 as the average salary, according to an estimate from the Florida Department of Economic Opportunity.

The project, known as the Lake Nona Town Center, was supposed to involve the relocation of more than 1,000 employees from Southern California, including most of a department known as Imagineering, which works with Disney’s movie studios to develop theme park attractions. Most of the affected employees complained bitterly about having to move — some quit — but Disney largely held firm, partly because of a Florida tax credit that would have allowed the company to recoup as much as $570 million over 20 years for building and occupying the complex.


 
There's no one left to build it anyways.
 
They might just pull out of there little by little, or so I hear on the grapevine. Relocate to a friendlier state while temporarily keeping bits in Florida. Plenty of states would give them the breaks they need to do it.

Big pain in the DeSantass but how much shit can a business take.
 
I am totally fine with refusing economic development on the basis of ethical/moral/justice considerations. Sadly for Floridians, DeSantis is just exploiting contrived and ginned up cultural war issues in the name of "morality" for his own political aggrandizement. With luck, this ugly strategy will backfire.
 
a few high tech jobs dont matter. Florida economy is booming..
The Imagineers do live entertainment design (theme parks.cruise ships). I dont think they do the films though
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Hard to imagine the political climate that sees Republicans voting for an anti-business candidate, but they don't seem to care about the Florida economy, or they think the math will not hurt it. After all. Maybe somebody will open a big box anti-gay gun store on that site instead.
 

Florida can be arbitrary with their rules, Disney can be arbitrary with their investments.

Watch them call it an unfair punishment from Disney now.
 
Hey Disney World!

Please call Governor Kemp here is Georgia! We have LOTS of gorgeous land in south and central Georgia!

And we won't treat you like SHIT! Pretty sure we'd welcome you with open arms!
 
In other news, Disney was greedy and anti-employee enough to anger its Imagineering division, causing some to quit, in order to get a tax credit by forcing them to move to Florida.
 
Hey Disney World!

Please call Governor Kemp here is Georgia! We have LOTS of gorgeous land in south and central Georgia!

And we won't treat you like SHIT! Pretty sure we'd welcome you with open arms!
Kemp is no Prince Charming, though, just signing a bill for Republican voter suppression... they're fine where they are in CA.
 
I don't see this move as anti-business by Desantis, they're not forcing them to close. Basically, it's saying you've been enjoying the most sweetheart of sweethearts deals in the history of sweetheart deals and now you've gone on to bite the hand that feeds you. Sure they represent a lot of money but Florida is not hurting for that and you'd be surprised how many residents couldn't care less about Disney.

If you want to get involved in state politics, then welcome to the general population of the rest of Fla businesses.
 
There are more reasons for Disney (and others) to leave Florida than just DeSantis. South Florida is at high risk due to climate change. Estimates about when it will be underwater vary with the earliest prediction being 2060.
 

This is a stupid article. It labels the movie Lightyear as "woke" because there is a scene of two women kissing, and then attributes to that characteristic the film's failure at the box office. Maybe it was just not a great movie? You need more than that to draw any conclusions, FFS.

Same thing for the "review" of Strange World, where discussion of a same-sex crush is blamed for the movie tanking. The article says, "a scene in which 16-year-old Ethan tells his grandfather, Jaeger, about his crush on another boy, and while same-sex crushes and relationships are not uncommon topics in films anymore, critics of the film point out that the discussion of sexuality within a film created for children “certainly didn’t help the film’s box office fortunes.”

First off, a 16 year old being able to talk to his grandfather about this kind of issue is a really positive role model to portray. Second, opposite sex crushes are in kids' films all the freaking time. So it's not the discussion of sexuality so much as the type of sexuality being discussed that the reviewer objects to. And again, he draws a conclusion straight-line between this scene and the movie's poor performance without any data or reasoning beyond "woke bad." Gimme a break.
 
a few high tech jobs dont matter. Florida economy is booming..
The Imagineers do live entertainment design (theme parks.cruise ships). I dont think they do the films though
That is a very silly statement. 2000 high paying jobs plus a new business complex that costs a billion to build does matter and it matters a lot. Fl has been desperate to attract young educated people. Trump is going to have fun with this!
 
then how to explain the success of Super Mario Brothers movie?
one Rotten Tomatoes audience review read: “If I want to teach my children about sex and or sexual preferences at 7 and 8 I would do it in my home. I don't need a Disney movie to help me out with it. STOP making everything sexual, it's unbelievable.”

Another movie fan tweeted: “First Lightyear and now Strange World. Disney and Pixar releasing woke flops, one after the other. How many box office bombs before Disney learns?”

Meanwhile, Illumination's The Super Mario Bros Movie has made $678 million so far this month and is on course for at least $1 billion. Some fans claim its success is down to it being "anti-woke" as it lacks a political agenda in its storyline. Disney's upcoming 2023 releases are also facing accusations of being "woke" from their trailers.
 
The Golden Rule...them that got the gold, make the rules.

Well done Mickey.
 
That is a very silly statement. 2000 high paying jobs plus a new business complex that costs a billion to build does matter and it matters a lot. Fl has been desperate to attract young educated people. Trump is going to have fun with this!
I t matters to the Orlando area -not Florida. Miami is pulling in all kinds of corporate headquarters
Fl has been desperate to attract young educated people
Florida population is booming, the economy is as well
 
This has less to do with DeSantis and Florida and more to do with the departure of Chapek and return of Iger. When Iger came back he immediately reversed course on a lot of Chapek's initiatives and initiated a downsizing of 7k employees.

So this probably has a lot more to do with that than the feud with the state. I am however sure that Iger is using it as a weapon
 
Kemp is no Prince Charming, though, just signing a bill for Republican voter suppression... they're fine where they are in CA.
I KNOW he's NOT cool, but he'll be gone before too long, I'm thinking about the benefit to the entire state in jobs ect.!
 
I KNOW he's NOT cool, but he'll be gone before too long, I'm thinking about the benefit to the entire state in jobs ect.!
Ya, I'm just happy to keep them in CA, which they prefer to moving.
 
Ya, I'm just happy to keep them in CA, which they prefer to moving.
Anything's better than sending them to De Satan's new Florida, right?
 
It is an unamerican attack on a sub-culture which is victimized in order to appeal to haters who vote for Republicans. Ordinarily Republicans would bend over for big business like they do for the NRA, but Disney has become their latest scape-goat. Republicans always have to have a boogey-man, someone to hate, to motivate their voters. That's just the way it is.

Republican boogey men of the past:

Rock and Roll
"Beatniks"
"Commies"
"Socialists"
"Hippies"
Black people
Vietnamese
Muslims
"The liberal media"
Environmentalists
Liberals
Feminists
Gay people
Mexicans
Chinese
"Gooks"
Venezuela
Iran
Iraq
Irish
Catholics
Italians
Immigrants
BLM
CRT

No doubt this brief list could be further expanded...

And now, Disney.
 
I also imagine that it will be harder to attract female employees to GA with the 6-week abortion ban.


Women aren't going to go to college there either.

The out of state enrollment is going to go way down in Florida and most red states.

Which means tuition will increase for everyone who stays in Florida to go to college. Same with other red states.

Married men won't go there either. Not without their wives and their wives aren't going to go there.

It will take time but many red states will see decrease in population and lose seats in congress because of it.

Blue states will get those seats that the red states lost.
 
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