A Libertarian is someone who wants limited government.
A Republican is someone naive enough to believe the GOP stands for limited government.
A Libertarian is someone who wants limited government.
A Republican is someone naive enough to believe the GOP stands for limited government.
The republican party stands for limited govenment except when it is in power.
A Libertarian is someone who wants limited government.
A Republican is someone naive enough to believe the GOP stands for limited government.
I for one, as a Republican, would be happy if the libertarians would get off our ship and go their own way. They want limited govt fine I want govt that works and not fails. Libertarians like Ron Paul and others need to stop lying and telling people try are Republicans. Get honest. Be honest. You are libertarians be proud of it and stop trying to claim the Republican party for yourselves. I get why you do. You are the part of less than 1%. Look it up. Your candidate gets less than 1% of a national vote. Your party has ZERO senators, ZERO congressman, and you act online like you are the majority. BS. Recognize your place in the world already: irrelevant is that place!
There was a thread on here a while ago about whether or not the government should sterilize people it deems "unfit" for parenting. The main, if not the only, people who supported the idea were libertarians. I don't buy that libertarians want limited gov. either. From what I've observed, libertarians want the government to be limited in their lives - **** everyone else.A Libertarian is someone who wants limited government.
There was a thread on here a while ago about whether or not the government should sterilize people it deems "unfit" for parenting. The main, if not the only, people who supported the idea were libertarians. I don't buy that libertarians want limited gov. either. From what I've observed, libertarians want the government to be limited in their lives - **** everyone else.
It is an unholy alliance between the statist Republican party and the limited government libertarians to be sure. The thing is, the Republicans are the ones making mouth noises about limited government, so libertarians sometimes gravitate towards that party.
The trouble with running as a libertarian is that people won't vote for them because they can't get elected because no one will vote for them.
But, if the Republicans want to actually be a party of limited government, then they need to adopt much of the libertarian philosophy.
I think most Republicans believe less govt is better, but what I really want and I think most people want is government that works, is efficient, cost effective and trustworthy. That is so lost that "no" Goverment resonates with some. Still I would have left the party if Paul had won a primary and voted for Obama on foreign policy alone. His philosophy there is just not my own. And then of course you have extreme libertarians like my dear brother who thinks there is no need for police, fire, public schools. Then you have the pro gun libertarian that are constitutionalist in their minds. They want convicted felons to be issued guns upon release of prison and a full auto machine gun for all with out as much as an ID at the counter because that is how they read the 2nd. These extremist libertarians alienate their "party" from mainstream Republicans. I think some of them are plant liberals to try and prove Republican extremism actually.
I know. That's why that thread stands out in my head.That's about as far from the libertarian philosophy as it is possible to get.
It is an unholy alliance between the statist Republican party and the limited government libertarians to be sure. The thing is, the Republicans are the ones making mouth noises about limited government, so libertarians sometimes gravitate towards that party.
The trouble with running as a libertarian is that people won't vote for them because they can't get elected because no one will vote for them.
But, if the Republicans want to actually be a party of limited government, then they need to adopt much of the libertarian philosophy.
There was a thread on here a while ago about whether or not the government should sterilize people it deems "unfit" for parenting. The main, if not the only, people who supported the idea were libertarians. I don't buy that libertarians want limited gov. either. From what I've observed, libertarians want the government to be limited in their lives - **** everyone else.
I honestly don't see how libertarians gravitate more towards the right wing than the left. I think libertarians could be a very helpful faction of the left wing, tempering the more overreaching parts of the Democratic platform. The platforms of personal liberty and fiscal liberty would make natural allies, I think. But that's where the problem of libertarians appears. Some really do care about a system of government and making a better country. Others are really just selfish pricks who don't want the government taxing them and benefiting other people. The former could help forge a really solid and effective Democratic party. The others have no place anywhere in civilized society and can stay with the Republicans and they can just be awful people together. Libertarians who care about more than just their own bank accounts would find a good place as Democrats.
A Libertarian is someone who wants limited government.
A Republican is someone naive enough to believe the GOP stands for limited government.
I honestly don't see how libertarians gravitate more towards the right wing than the left. I think libertarians could be a very helpful faction of the left wing, tempering the more overreaching parts of the Democratic platform. The platforms of personal liberty and fiscal liberty would make natural allies, I think. But that's where the problem of libertarians appears. Some really do care about a system of government and making a better country. Others are really just selfish pricks who don't want the government taxing them and benefiting other people. The former could help forge a really solid and effective Democratic party. The others have no place anywhere in civilized society and can stay with the Republicans and they can just be awful people together. Libertarians who care about more than just their own bank accounts would find a good place as Democrats.
I honestly don't see how libertarians gravitate more towards the right wing than the left. I think libertarians could be a very helpful faction of the left wing, tempering the more overreaching parts of the Democratic platform. The platforms of personal liberty and fiscal liberty would make natural allies, I think. But that's where the problem of libertarians appears. Some really do care about a system of government and making a better country. Others are really just selfish pricks who don't want the government taxing them and benefiting other people. The former could help forge a really solid and effective Democratic party. The others have no place anywhere in civilized society and can stay with the Republicans and they can just be awful people together. Libertarians who care about more than just their own bank accounts would find a good place as Democrats.
That thread was messed up. Where did those people learn about the NAP?
... Others are really just selfish pricks who don't want the government taxing them and benefiting other people... Libertarians who care about more than just their own bank accounts would find a good place as Democrats.
I would agree with you, however, with the progressive stranglehold on the Democrat party and the slavish devotion to big-government progressivism shown by liberals these days, the Democrat party is not a welcoming place for libertarians. The core principle of the modern leftist progressive is that you and I belong to the state. It is absolutely the antithesis of libertarian principles. I've worked with Democrats in the past as part of our Libertarian outreach, and the more moderate, liberal Democrats in California have been run out of the party in favor of those who toe the progressive line. The Democrat party is a machine that will not tolerate libertarians, period. The Republican party must tolerate libertarians to some extent as the attempts to purge libertarians from the ranks always comes back to make them look like the hypocrites that they are.
I was raised in a solidly leftist household. My parents were peace activists who absolutely detested Reagan and most of their friends, and the church we attended (the very liberal Unitarian Universalists) hammered in the message even more. Somewhere, however, I missed the message that violence against innocent or peaceful people is not only ok, but a moral imperative if the government has enshrined it into law and it's managed by bureaucrats. The Democrat party was my home until I started looking at my political principles. Being the rational, objective sort of person that I am, I adopted a principle that did not allow for any violence other than in defense of life or property. It's not about what I want from government, it's about what is just and moral. If it's wrong to use violence against peaceful people, then it's wrong for everyone, including a bureaucrat. Whether I want benefits for others or for myself, it is still wrong to obtain them through the police powers of the state.
A Libertarian is someone who wants limited government.
A Republican is someone naive enough to believe the GOP stands for limited government.