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Did you know that Austria imports 70% of its daily gas from Russia and that our depots are only 18% full right now ?

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Yeah, we are quite dependent on these autocratic motherfu**ers when it comes to gas.

Oil, not so much, just 6% from Russia.

 

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I wonder what the world would look like today if the GOP was not so obsessed with power for power's sake that it became a bunch of AGW denying idiot-assholes simply because people on the left said we should take climate change seriously.

I'd bet that at the very least, we'd have far more advanced, widespread, and cleaner non-fossil energy. One of the many benefits this would have has obvious play in the invasion of Ukraine and our response to it.
 

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Yes, I knew, what I was surprised to find out -> the Foreign Minister decided to declare this in public at this time:

The Foreign Minister of Austria Alexander Schallenberg stated last week that Ukraine should not be awarded membership in the European Union.
 

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That sux. What are Austria's plans to do about that issue?
 

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That sux. What are Austria's plans to do about that issue?

Short-term (until the next winter):

Spend 7.5 billion $ in expanding gas depots so they are 80% full.

Long-term (until 2027-30):

Buying gas from somewhere else over the next years.

And go even greener on other forms of energy, also by expanding bio-gas production and green hydrogen production.

Also, reduce gas consumption longterm.

This could make Austria independent of Russian gas by 2027, or by 2030.

 

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That sux. What are Austria's plans to do about that issue?


Austria is a landlocked country that would rely on pipelines to bring in any natural gas, be it from Russia or any other country through LNG imports. If the facilities to import LNG and ship it to Austria do not exist, then it will have to wait until they are built. A couple of year's best case scenario
 

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Austria is a landlocked country that would rely on pipelines to bring in any natural gas, be it from Russia or any other country through LNG imports. If the facilities to import LNG and ship it to Austria do not exist, then it will have to wait until they are built. A couple of year's best case scenario
I used to live in Salzburg - but that was back when energy wasn't a front page news item.
 

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I wonder what the world would look like today if the GOP was not so obsessed with power for power's sake that it became a bunch of AGW denying idiot-assholes simply because people on the left said we should take climate change seriously.

I'd bet that at the very least, we'd have far more advanced, widespread, and cleaner non-fossil energy. One of the many benefits this would have has obvious play in the invasion of Ukraine and our response to it.
Lol.

Look a crisis caused by failure of leftist government is now being spun by the left as a reason they need more power.
 

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I wonder what the world would look like today if the GOP was not so obsessed with power for power's sake that it became a bunch of AGW denying idiot-assholes simply because people on the left said we should take climate change seriously.

I'd bet that at the very least, we'd have far more advanced, widespread, and cleaner non-fossil energy. One of the many benefits this would have has obvious play in the invasion of Ukraine and our response to it.
This rant implies that we are the only country on Earth whos research and development of renewables is capable of producing results.

*NEWSFLASH*

Europe has been trying to "go green" for just as long as we have... and they're still dependent on fossil fuels. Are the conservatives in Austria, Germany, France, Great Brittan, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Spain, Italy, Greece, etc, etc, etc... ****ing it all up over there, too?
 

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Did you live in the city or the countryside of Salzburg ? And when ?

I live in the mountainous countryside.
With a local family, several miles east of the old city. Every day I'd pass Leopoldskron on my way into the city and crossed a footbridge over the river to a building where our classes were.

I long to go back there someday - it's my favorite city in the whole world. And Stiegl my favorite beer. ;)
 

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Yeah, we are quite dependent on these autocratic motherfu**ers when it comes to gas.

Oil, not so much, just 6% from Russia.

Why are you still burning fossil fuels, don't you care about the environment? Gaia doesn't like it when you burn fossil fuels, so the Russians are doing you a favor.
 

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Lol.

Look a crisis caused by failure of leftist government is now being spun by the left as a reason they need more power.
Yeah, damn those leftists for neglecting to put natural gas fields in Austria.
 

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Why are you still burning fossil fuels, don't you care about the environment? Gaia doesn't like it when you burn fossil fuels, so the Russians are doing you a favor.
Why do you bother with this kind of pointless blather?
You apparently dont give a damn how it makes you look.
 

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Austria actually imports 80% of its gas from Russia. The 70% figure is the Russian gas imports as a percentage of total consumption. 63 Tera-Watt-hours of gas are imported from Russia, 16 from elsewhere, 1 is made here by biogas and 10 are produced here as regular gas.

Here is a chart of the status quo, the strategy to 2027 and 2030 as unveiled today:

Gasverbrauch.jpg


For those interested, Google translate this article here:

 

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Yeah, damn those leftists for neglecting to put natural gas fields in Austria.
The leftists are the ones creating a conflict with Russia. This entire line of militaristic rhetoric against the Russians, largely to accomplish goals of saving face for Hillary’s loss to Trump, is part of what led to a war here today
 

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The leftists are the ones creating a conflict with Russia. This entire line of militaristic rhetoric against the Russians, largely to accomplish goals of saving face for Hillary’s loss to Trump, is part of what led to a war here today
Translation: HRC is still living in my head rent free 5 1/2 years after she admitted she lost a free and fair election. Furthermore, my silly claim above is baseless, and I will provide zero evidence said silly claim holds a drop a water of factuality or truth. Please see my tag.
 

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I wonder what the world would look like today if the GOP was not so obsessed with power for power's sake that it became a bunch of AGW denying idiot-assholes simply because people on the left said we should take climate change seriously.

I'd bet that at the very least, we'd have far more advanced, widespread, and cleaner non-fossil energy. One of the many benefits this would have has obvious play in the invasion of Ukraine and our response to it.

:snorts: sure. It's all about domestic U.S. politics. :)

Germany tried this route. It led to them becoming even more dependent on Russian energy.
 

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I wonder what the world would look like today if the GOP was not so obsessed with power for power's sake that it became a bunch of AGW denying idiot-assholes simply because people on the left said we should take climate change seriously.

I'd bet that at the very least,
we'd have far more advanced, widespread, and cleaner non-fossil energy. One of the many benefits this would have has obvious play in the invasion of Ukraine and our response to it.
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  • McConnell would not commit to Supreme Court hearings for Biden nominees if the GOP takes the majority in November. "I choose not to answer the question," he said.
 

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Yeah, we are quite dependent on these autocratic motherfu**ers when it comes to gas.

Oil, not so much, just 6% from Russia.


"Gas" ... natural gas down to 18% or petrol - motor fuel?

This professor was hired by Yale, Bush's alma mater. He is an M.E. expert and was very vocal in his criticism of Bush's decision
to invade Iraq, justified by the Bush - Cheney manipulations.

Yale caved in conservative objections to hiring Cole and rescinded the offer to Juan Cole,




ROSE HOROWITCH & PHILIP MOUSAVIZADEH 9:01 AM, APR 16, 2021
"..The Yale Investments Office estimates that 2.6 percent of Yale’s endowment — about $800 million — is invested in fossil fuel-producing companies. The committee’s chair, Jonathan Macey LAW ’82, could not specify an exact timeline for divesting from the companies, as it is up to the Investments Office. But in the past, the Investments Office has moved quickly on these matters, Macey said..."

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The leftists are the ones creating a conflict with Russia. This entire line of militaristic rhetoric against the Russians, largely to accomplish goals of saving face for Hillary’s loss to Trump, is part of what led to a war here today
Now thats reaching, even for you. You cant really believe that Putin has been manipulated by the American left, can you? Do you think the partisan bickerfest in the US is world-shaking important?
Have you ever been outside the US?
 
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