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Did Trump plan a coup all along?

Juks

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Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?
 
That would imply the capacity for strategic thinking and planning complex endeavors. Seems a bit of a stretch for Trump, don’t you think?
 
Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?
I don’t think he was ever prepared to lose or give up power. I think he was deluded into thinking he was entitled to be president again, possibly longer. If he won re-election, he would have started asking for more terms. He was in record doing it. He most likely believed his fraud allegations too, but he was always capable of a coup attempt. Everything he did revealed him to be a man with a fragile ego, incapable of handling defeat, and incapable of being told no. It was in his nature to attempt a coup. I always knew he was dangerous.
 
That would imply the capacity for strategic thinking and planning complex endeavors. Seems a bit of a stretch for Trump, don’t you think?

That is what I mean with " Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being. " Maybe he is smarter or has people around him that are smarter than we are let to believe. Maybe his narcissism has blinded us for that possibility.
 
Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?
Maybe you don't realize this about the US, but EVERY President puts their own "loyalists" into leadership positions of every organization in the Executive Branch...and that includes the Military. Trump putting his loyalists in place is no different.

Now...let's talk about the fodder for your "coup" conspiracy theory, eh?

"president for another 12 years"

I don't know...you seem to have a pretty good command of colloquial English. Maybe deliberate sarcasm or hyperbole expressed during rally speeches are harder for you to detect. Or, maybe you have fallen victim of the deliberate spin and nonsense from the media that they apply to everything Trump says. Whatever the case, you can be sure that Trump has never seriously expressed interest in violating the Constitution. Especially in regard to Presidential term limits.​

"the army's late response"

First of all, there are various levels within what you might consider "the army". Per the Constitution, some levels CANNOT be used for controlling internal civil protest. That would be, for example, the US Army...our active duty fighting force. The President has direct control over active duty forces, but he cannot just send in the troops to quell a riot.​
The National Guard is a bit different. It is under dual control. They are organized by State and are, first, under the control of State Governors. The President can take that control away, but it is not as simple as just doing it. There are hoops to jump through. There are also political ramifications.​
Add to that the fact that DC isn't a state...they don't have a National Guard...which means any deployed National Guard would have to come from, at best, a state in the surrounding area. That adds another layer of bureaucracy to the process.​

The notion that Trump was planning and implementing a coup by using his loyalists in the military to delay a response by US Armed Forces during riots...even at the Capitol...is, at best, just plain ridiculous.

btw, the proper way to control riots is by using law enforcement...not the military. There were many levels of law enforcement available to call upon before and during the riot, but they aren't controlled by the President. For example, the DC Police (controlled by the DC Mayor) and the Capitol Police (ultimately controlled by Nancy Pelosi). By all accounts, neither of those agencies were used effectively.

Perhaps a better conspiracy theory would contend that those two die-hard leftists...the Mayor and Nancy...were running a plan to increase federal control over the Capitol and the city it resides in by deliberate, ineffective law enforcement response to the riot. After all, the result now is a Capitol surrounded by a wall and National Guard troops who strictly control who is allowed entry into the very center of the Legislative Branch of our government. That could be characterized as a partial, at least, coup.​
 
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Remember when trump threw that fit over how small the crowd was at his inauguration compared to Obama's?

I thought trump was up to something. He was brilliant, playing some kind of 4 dimensional chess.

Turns out trump was being childlike. He seriously was upset that his crowd sizes were smaller.

He kept saying his crowd sizes were bigger, even against overwhelming evidence.


trump is just an incompetent man child. He isn't capable of a coup.

The capitol riot was the best trump could do.



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Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?
Trump doesn't know the word long time planning. He also did not think he would lose. What we saw January 6th was what happens if a coup is very badly and hastily planned (and lack support of any body that actually is capable of a coup).
 
When the military actually made a public statement that they wouldn't get involved, that should have been a clue. Any other year, nobody would have even thought that was possibly going to happen.

 
Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?

The first coup in History that conspired to use Flagpoles for weapons instead of guns(LOL)
 
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Remember when trump threw that fit over how small the crowd was at his inauguration compared to Obama's?

I thought trump was up to something. He was brilliant, playing some kind of 4 dimensional chess.

Turns out trump was being childlike. He seriously was upset that his crowd sizes were smaller.

He kept saying his crowd sizes were bigger, even against overwhelming evidence.


trump is just an incompetent man child. He isn't capable of a coup.

The capitol riot was the best trump could do.



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"People are like horses, they have minds of their own"

- Luther
 
Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?
Of course he was. However, like most things Trump touches, it failed.
 
I knew from day one that Trump was a very dangerous person. I never thought of anything like the amateurish attempted coup on January 6th but rather his strategy to divide the American people and sow deep seeds of doubt about American institutions. His plan was to develop a herd of followers that would support, adore and empower him to do as he wished and use the government for his personal benefit. He was incredibly successful in that regard.

Two things I have learned these last four years, Trump is a masterful manipulator and there are incredible numbers of Americans who are open to his type of manipulation, not just open to it but hunger for it. Quite the eye-opener.
 
The first coup in History that conspired to use Flagpoles for weapons instead of guns(LOL)
...and bear spray, and taking barricades from police and using them against police, and building gallows, and rummaging through classified documents, and breaking into government offices, and taking shields and batons from police and using them against police, etc -smh-
 
The first coup in History that conspired to use Flagpoles for weapons instead of guns(LOL)

We've covered this before. Nobody said it iwas a competent attempt.
 
Maybe Trump is more dangerous than I have given him credit for being.

Considering Trump starting to place “loyalists” inside the army already in 2019, maybe even earlier. His own comments during the autumn that he might be president for another 12 years and the army’s late response for help during the riots inside the capitol.

Maybe he didn't plan it the way it happend but maybe he was planning something of the sort?

I would use the word "fantasizing" for Trump, because he is clearly too stupid, but where his loyalists are concerned, fully planned, fully intent on exercising said plan, and I'd even say they coached him through the entire process, excited as they were at the prospect of unlimited permanent power.
Trump's a tool, he's always BEEN a tool.
 
I knew from day one that Trump was a very dangerous person. I never thought of anything like the amateurish attempted coup on January 6th but rather his strategy to divide the American people and sow deep seeds of doubt about American institutions. His plan was to develop a herd of followers that would support, adore and empower him to do as he wished and use the government for his personal benefit. He was incredibly successful in that regard.

Two things I have learned these last four years, Trump is a masterful manipulator and there are incredible numbers of Americans who are open to his type of manipulation, not just open to it but hunger for it. Quite the eye-opener.
Trump took a very basic concept, that of dividing people, manipulating people into believing that certain groups are their enemy, anyone "not like them" are their enemies, whether that is because of their political beliefs or where they are from or other factors, and using that to gain power over them. It really isn't a brilliant strategy alone, since it is old and can be used by anyone with enough charisma or power already established, but it can still be relatively effective, especially under certain conditions (such as having someone like Hillary running for President).

The only reason I don't like to really compare Trump completely to Lex Luthor is because despite the many similarities (ego, narcissism, ability to inspire fear against others, both being billionaire business men who were elected President), there is a huge one that Trump lacks, real strategic intelligence.
 
Trump wanted Rome '22, but got Paris '34. There I said it.
 
Trump took a very basic concept, that of dividing people, manipulating people into believing that certain groups are their enemy, anyone "not like them" are their enemies, whether that is because of their political beliefs or where they are from or other factors, and using that to gain power over them. It really isn't a brilliant strategy alone, since it is old and can be used by anyone with enough charisma or power already established, but it can still be relatively effective, especially under certain conditions (such as having someone like Hillary running for President).

The only reason I don't like to really compare Trump completely to Lex Luthor is because despite the many similarities (ego, narcissism, ability to inspire fear against others, both being billionaire business men who were elected President), there is a huge one that Trump lacks, real strategic intelligence.
And that Lex Luthor is a cartoon and invented villain ;)

Last time I checked Trump is a real alive person, but I might be wrong.
 
And that Lex Luthor is a cartoon and invented villain ;)

Last time I checked Trump is a real alive person, but I might be wrong.
Based off of legitimate characteristics that people who write such things draw off of from society. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the creator of Lex Luthor based the character off of a conglomeration of real life businessmen of that time, particularly those who were viewed as "villainous".
 
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