Did Trump Order a Government Shutdown?

Trump led a 35-day shutdown from December 2018 to January 2019, the longest in modern history, to demand funding for a border wall. As pressure mounted and Democrats held firm, Trump backed down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s attempts to avoid a government shutdown just became more complicated after former President Donald Trump stepped in to endorse the tactics of MAGA House Republicans, who prefer to see a government shutdown than to compromise with the Democratic-led Senate and White House.

“The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

Trump’s demands to defund Trump's prosecutors and cut spending below levels by 20% in a two-year budget agreement, have no chance of passing the Senate, but he knows that. To Trump, politics is just a publicity program designed for him to get what he wants no matter the cost. He treasures his “image” of fighting the government to champion the “people.”

Poor Kevin McCarthy, lacking Trump’s total disinterest that his demands harm America, wondered “I don’t understand how not paying the troops and not paying our border agents is helpful. That would be a part of funding the government, would be securing the border.”

On the other hand, the disaster master Trump would love nothing more than having millions of immigrants streaming over the border on Biden’s watch. He has zero concerns about threatening 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits.

Trump knows nobody will ever think he is interested in alleviating pain other than his own. In fact, his favorite tactic is to cause as much short term pain as possible, then ride in on his orange horse and "save the day."

"Take 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits, with nothing to eat".

Man o man, people think crime is bad now? Nobody wants to be around when that many poor wants it's "Revenge"
Frankly, a bad part of me wouldn't blame them.

richmondc7 said:

Trump led a 35-day shutdown from December 2018 to January 2019, the longest in modern history, to demand funding for a border wall. As pressure mounted and Democrats held firm, Trump backed down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s attempts to avoid a government shutdown just became more complicated after former President Donald Trump stepped in to endorse the tactics of MAGA House Republicans, who prefer to see a government shutdown than to compromise with the Democratic-led Senate and White House.

“The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

Trump’s demands to defund Trump's prosecutors and cut spending below levels by 20% in a two-year budget agreement, have no chance of passing the Senate, but he knows that. To Trump, politics is just a publicity program designed for him to get what he wants no matter the cost. He treasures his “image” of fighting the government to champion the “people.”

Poor Kevin McCarthy, lacking Trump’s total disinterest that his demands harm America, wondered “I don’t understand how not paying the troops and not paying our border agents is helpful. That would be a part of funding the government, would be securing the border.”

On the other hand, the disaster master Trump would love nothing more than having millions of immigrants streaming over the border on Biden’s watch. He has zero concerns about threatening 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits.

Trump knows nobody will ever think he is interested in alleviating pain other than his own. In fact, his favorite tactic is to cause as much short term pain as possible, then ride in on his orange horse and "save the day."

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No, House R's were going there already.

richmondc7 said:

Did Trump Order a Government Shutdown?​

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Well, yeah, absolutely. As you noted, Trump's order was in writing, in all-caps no less:

“UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN!"

He can try to deflect the blame to the Dems for the shutdown, but since he made his "order" to the Repubs so public, I don't think that's going to be working.

DCCougar said:

Well, yeah, absolutely. As you noted, Trump's order was in writing, in all-caps no less:

“UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN!"

He can try to deflect the blame to the Dems for the shutdown, but since he made his "order" to the Repubs so public, I don't think that's going to be working.

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The point you may be missing is that the MAGA cultists out there will do any Trump says, blame whoever Trump says to blame and eat dirt and die if it would please their Dear Leader....and you thought those kowtowed North Koreans were more devoted to their Dear Leader. The race is on!

richmondc7 said:

Trump led a 35-day shutdown from December 2018 to January 2019, the longest in modern history, to demand funding for a border wall. As pressure mounted and Democrats held firm, Trump backed down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s attempts to avoid a government shutdown just became more complicated after former President Donald Trump stepped in to endorse the tactics of MAGA House Republicans, who prefer to see a government shutdown than to compromise with the Democratic-led Senate and White House.

“The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

Trump’s demands to defund Trump's prosecutors and cut spending below levels by 20% in a two-year budget agreement, have no chance of passing the Senate, but he knows that. To Trump, politics is just a publicity program designed for him to get what he wants no matter the cost. He treasures his “image” of fighting the government to champion the “people.”

Poor Kevin McCarthy, lacking Trump’s total disinterest that his demands harm America, wondered “I don’t understand how not paying the troops and not paying our border agents is helpful. That would be a part of funding the government, would be securing the border.”

On the other hand, the disaster master Trump would love nothing more than having millions of immigrants streaming over the border on Biden’s watch. He has zero concerns about threatening 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits.

Trump knows nobody will ever think he is interested in alleviating pain other than his own. In fact, his favorite tactic is to cause as much short term pain as possible, then ride in on his orange horse and "save the day."

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I think Trump is trying to get the MAGA faction of the GOP to "protect" him by disrupting the normal operation of justice. By holding the government funding process up for as long as possible and demanding it happen.

McCarthy should go get votes from the Democrats and in so doing remove that faction's perceived power.

richmondc7 said:

Trump led a 35-day shutdown from December 2018 to January 2019, the longest in modern history, to demand funding for a border wall. As pressure mounted and Democrats held firm, Trump backed down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s attempts to avoid a government shutdown just became more complicated after former President Donald Trump stepped in to endorse the tactics of MAGA House Republicans, who prefer to see a government shutdown than to compromise with the Democratic-led Senate and White House.

“The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

Trump’s demands to defund Trump's prosecutors and cut spending below levels by 20% in a two-year budget agreement, have no chance of passing the Senate, but he knows that. To Trump, politics is just a publicity program designed for him to get what he wants no matter the cost. He treasures his “image” of fighting the government to champion the “people.”

Poor Kevin McCarthy, lacking Trump’s total disinterest that his demands harm America, wondered “I don’t understand how not paying the troops and not paying our border agents is helpful. That would be a part of funding the government, would be securing the border.”

On the other hand, the disaster master Trump would love nothing more than having millions of immigrants streaming over the border on Biden’s watch. He has zero concerns about threatening 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits.

Trump knows nobody will ever think he is interested in alleviating pain other than his own. In fact, his favorite tactic is to cause as much short term pain as possible, then ride in on his orange horse and "save the day."

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Trump has influence, he doesn't have control.

Most Republicans in congress were on board with the compromise worked out between Biden and McCarthy. A tiny minority weren't, and they can threaten McCarthy's speakership because the Republicans barely won control of the house. The Democrats should simply vote for McCarthy if the extremists try to depose him and thus render him immune to them. It was dumb for them to let the hardliners dictate terms.

Also, the speaker of the house shouldn't have sole control over the agenda. It obstructs bipartisanship - if 25% of the Republicans and nearly all the Democrats agree on something, there should be a vote on it, regardless of whether the speaker wants there to be a vote on it. Each party should have partial control over the agenda so that bills with broad support can pass. Like gerrymandering, the way the speakership works is yet another dumb thing about our political system that empowers extremists over the mean.

The Mark said:

I think Trump is trying to get the MAGA faction of the GOP to "protect" him by disrupting the normal operation of justice. By holding the government funding process up for as long as possible and demanding it happen.

McCarthy should go get votes from the Democrats and in so doing remove that faction's perceived power.

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If he does that, Gaetz will offer a motion to vacate.

richmondc7 said:

Trump led a 35-day shutdown from December 2018 to January 2019, the longest in modern history, to demand funding for a border wall. As pressure mounted and Democrats held firm, Trump backed down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s attempts to avoid a government shutdown just became more complicated after former President Donald Trump stepped in to endorse the tactics of MAGA House Republicans, who prefer to see a government shutdown than to compromise with the Democratic-led Senate and White House.

“The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

Trump’s demands to defund Trump's prosecutors and cut spending below levels by 20% in a two-year budget agreement, have no chance of passing the Senate, but he knows that. To Trump, politics is just a publicity program designed for him to get what he wants no matter the cost. He treasures his “image” of fighting the government to champion the “people.”

Poor Kevin McCarthy, lacking Trump’s total disinterest that his demands harm America, wondered “I don’t understand how not paying the troops and not paying our border agents is helpful. That would be a part of funding the government, would be securing the border.”

On the other hand, the disaster master Trump would love nothing more than having millions of immigrants streaming over the border on Biden’s watch. He has zero concerns about threatening 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits.

Trump knows nobody will ever think he is interested in alleviating pain other than his own. In fact, his favorite tactic is to cause as much short term pain as possible, then ride in on his orange horse and "save the day."

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That was one of the more priceless moments in his woebegotten regieme.

The day he talked himself into a government shutdown on live television as Schumer and Pelosi sat and barely contained their glee at Trump’s stupidity!

He “took the mantle” and never got his border wall.

Yarn said:

Trump has influence, he doesn't have control.

Most Republicans in congress were on board with the compromise worked out between Biden and McCarthy. A tiny minority weren't, and they can threaten McCarthy's speakership because the Republicans barely won control of the house. The Democrats should simply vote for McCarthy if the extremists try to depose him and thus render him immune to them. It was dumb for them to let the hardliners dictate terms.

Also, the speaker of the house shouldn't have sole control over the agenda. It obstructs bipartisanship - if 25% of the Republicans and nearly all the Democrats agree on something, there should be a vote on it, regardless of whether the speaker wants there to be a vote on it. Each party should have partial control over the agenda so that bills with broad support can pass. Like gerrymandering, the way the speakership works is yet another dumb thing about our political system that empowers extremists over the mean.

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If McCarthy asks for even 1 Democrat vote, he will be out as Speaker. That is why he has not and will not ask for Democrat support. The question will be answered. Does McCarthy care more about America or about his job. Stay tuned.

richmondc7 said:

If McCarthy asks for even 1 Democrat vote, he will be out as Speaker. That is why he has not and will not ask for Democrat support. The question will be answered. Does McCarthy care more about America or about his job. Stay tuned.

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I'm not sure if that is true.

I hope it isn't, since letting the most extreme several congressman govern the house seems like a dystopian outcome.

When govt shutdowns are happening every few years the system is broken. We should never reach the point of a shutdown. When a govt shutdown can be traced back to maybe 30 out of the 535 members of congress, the system is more than just broken, it's stupidity. I don't disagree with the need for tighter budgeting. I do disagree with the maga proposal that we take nearly all the savings from welfare and then look at more tax cuts if they get the chance. The way that control of congress and the executive changes nearly every 4 years means that any real gains on reducing spending, and many other key objectives need to be bipartisan. If they aren't bipartisan they just end up as political fights that achieve no ongoing solution.

The border wall is to me a classic example of how wrong things get. It's a decades rather than years project requiring lots of negotiations to go through private lands, probably drawn out legal battles with wealthy land owners over compulsory acquisition, and way more money than can be funded in just a couple of years without robbing other important initiatives. With the govt control of budgets and priorities changing every few years, the wall will be lucky to get built in 50 years if it only gets built when the GOP control spending. But the parties spent lots of time arguing about enough funding to achieve virtually nothing. The public were deciding votes over a wall that was a fantasy without bipartisan support. In that case, the Dems did offer support for a deal on the Dreamers. When Trump turned them down, I knew the wall for him was just a populist vote catcher rather than a serious attempt to build an effective wall. I still think he got that very wrong. Both sides do this though, and only the threat of public revolt at the polling booths stops one side from immediately undoing what the other side has done. That's why ObamaCare is still mostly intact despite Trumps determination to wipe out anything Obama did.

I am living in one of my other homes at the moment. They have a parliamentary system that regularly delivers the governing party the same economic control as if a US party held the Executive, Senate, and House. You would think under that sort of system you might see huge swings when the govt changes, but you don't seem to get that. Yes there are differences, and yes the conservatives sell themselves on better spending controls etc, but the swings are really minor, and neither party spends the first year in power rabidly undoing what the other guys did. What has happened in the US to give us such massively polarized views that the mid ground is now almost too small to land on?

richmondc7 said:

Trump led a 35-day shutdown from December 2018 to January 2019, the longest in modern history, to demand funding for a border wall. As pressure mounted and Democrats held firm, Trump backed down and agreed to reopen the government without having secured any concessions.

House Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s attempts to avoid a government shutdown just became more complicated after former President Donald Trump stepped in to endorse the tactics of MAGA House Republicans, who prefer to see a government shutdown than to compromise with the Democratic-led Senate and White House.

“The Republicans lost big on Debt Ceiling, got NOTHING, and now are worried that they will be BLAMED for the Budget Shutdown. Wrong!!! Whoever is President will be blamed,” Trump wrote, adding: “UNLESS YOU GET EVERYTHING, SHUT IT DOWN! Close the Border, stop the Weaponization of ‘Justice,’ and End Election Interference.”

Trump’s demands to defund Trump's prosecutors and cut spending below levels by 20% in a two-year budget agreement, have no chance of passing the Senate, but he knows that. To Trump, politics is just a publicity program designed for him to get what he wants no matter the cost. He treasures his “image” of fighting the government to champion the “people.”

Poor Kevin McCarthy, lacking Trump’s total disinterest that his demands harm America, wondered “I don’t understand how not paying the troops and not paying our border agents is helpful. That would be a part of funding the government, would be securing the border.”

On the other hand, the disaster master Trump would love nothing more than having millions of immigrants streaming over the border on Biden’s watch. He has zero concerns about threatening 41.2 million people in 21.6 million households received monthly SNAP benefits.

Trump knows nobody will ever think he is interested in alleviating pain other than his own. In fact, his favorite tactic is to cause as much short term pain as possible, then ride in on his orange horse and "save the day."

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Maybe we just need a multi party system so that a true coalition which would have to compromise on issues would be required to run the government. Less extremism from either side.

Integrityrespec said:

Maybe we just need a multi party system so that a true coalition which would have to compromise on issues would be required to run the government. Less extremism from either side.

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I think abolishing gerrymandering would be more effective.

Partisan hacks are gaining more and more power. They win the primaries because they are partisan hacks and primary elections are dominated by a partisan hack electorate. They win the general election because their districts are designed, with cutting edge computer science, to be uncompetitive and to produce outcomes skewed towards to whoever drew the lines.

Another problem is that the country is getting more polarized, but I think, at least to some extent, that is because all the figure heads are polarized and people rally to them. If moderates actually won, people would be more moderate.

richmondc7 said:

If McCarthy asks for even 1 Democrat vote, he will be out as Speaker. That is why he has not and will not ask for Democrat support. The question will be answered. Does McCarthy care more about America or about his job. Stay tuned.

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Sounds like Gaetz and McCarthy are both asking for Democrat support.

In the real world, you have to deal with people who don't agree with you about everything.