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Watch the video and judge for yourselves.
im curious what people think could of happened before the video started that would negate the assault on the guy causing him to defend himself and punch the guy?
not saying its impossible but i cant think of anythign rational or likely that changes anything
Based on the video evidence alone, that wasn't self defense. I can't imagine a court in Western Civilization that would agree it was.
it most certainly was self defense :shrug:
I cant imagine a court in the US that would say it wasnt
guy was warned not to get close, then warned not to invade personal space, he ignored those requests and repeated to invade space then initiated force/aggression and assault resulting in him getting free dental work
if a person doesnt want punch then they shouldn't assault others
1.)Judge to Punching Man (PM) (you have to read it in Judge Judy's voice): Sir, why didn't you just walk away when the other man was spouting racial obscenities?
PM: I dunno, just didn't feel like it, the dude was funny I guess.
Judge: And why did you involved yourself in this verbal altercation?
PM: The dude was a twat.
Judge: And when he approached you and pushed you why didn't you walk away then?
PM: Walk away? That's a coward thing to do. 'Sides, I was defending myself.
Judge: Defending yourself? Do you have any pictures of injuries?
PM: Injuries? He just pushed me.
Judge: Right. Baliff, whack both these men in the pee-pees.
2.)Being serious, though, one thing that is stressed very clearly in every martial arts discipline I've ever taken, especially Kenpo which has the potential to do some serious damage, is that when the opportunity to walk away presents itself, you walk the **** away.
3.) And this isn't for some schmaltzy Buddhist reasoning...it's to legally protect yourself.
4.) So a guy comes up to you and pushes you and you remember all those Kenpo Karate moves you spent thousands of dollars and countless hours exhaustively learning, and you break his right arm, crush one of his testicles, take out an eye and break both kneecaps. Guess which one the cops arrest?
1.)well if we are going to invent stuff i can tooand yes i know you did that just to try and get me to see your point
Judge to Punching Man (PM) (you have to read it in Judge Judy's voice): Sir, why didn't you just walk away when the other man was spouting racial obscenities?
PM: it was in front of my building and i wanted to make sure my girlfriend and family was safe
Judge: And why did you involved yourself in this verbal altercation?
PM: I didnt he approcahed us
Judge: And when he approached you and pushed you why didn't you walk away then?
PM: you want me to turn my back on somebody that just assaulted and attack me that doesnt seem safe or smart
Judge: Defending yourself? Do you have any pictures of injuries?
PM: visual injuries arent needed for an assault to take place, countless cases tell you that, judge Judy should know better
2.) that would be a subject moral and ethical decision that i may or may not agree with and would be circumstantial
3.) legally this is sound
4.) they would arrest me for become the aggressor and going past the point of defending myself completely different than one push then one punch
1.)This response doesn't work, because the PM actively involved himself in the altercation. Judgy Judy would chew him up and crap him out for that answer.
2.)Judge Judy, after having chewed him up and crapped him out as described above, would proceed to tie him down to a train track and run him over with a locomotive for this lie: PM verbally involved himself in the altercation at 1:56 in the video.
3.)This is schoolyard logic, and it tends to work poorly in the real, adult world.
4.)Except that without visual injuries, it supports the idea that the racist's attack was not especially serious, and that the punch (especially in the context that PM was never required to be involved in the altercation) was completely disproportionate to the racist's very real, very visible injuries.
Sure, it depends, but I would bet that any cop that comes in here would tell you that in the vast majority of fights they have to break up, it's a case of both parties escalating, whereas if one just walked away most of those fights would have never happened. Consider this: why are there some people who've managed to go their entire lives without being in a fight, but you know this one guy who's always in a fight, and it's always the "other guy" who started it? Clearly, the former group of people don't choose to engage in or escalate fights, while the latter is at least happy to escalate them if not start them.
Well sure, I was making the point that the first push doesn't constitute a get-out-of-jail card for whaling on the pusher as much as you like. And keep in mind all of this is in the context of being able to remove yourself from the conflict at all stages of the event. I can't stress that enough.
Watch the video and judge for yourselves.
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Well I heard the "c" word too!
Hey, wouldn't it be awesome if the actual Judge Judy joined the thread right now?
Watch the video and judge for yourselves.
regardless of who he was, he committed assault and got punched for it.,
I would spend most of my online time in any forum Judge Judy regularly posts in. She'd be a hoot to engage in discussion!
Watch the video and judge for yourselves.
Oh come on, the guy who was pushed didn't have to be there. He could have just gone on his merry way and enjoyed the rest of his evening sans drunk asshole, but no, he had to stop and enjoy the spectacle. And not only did he just have to be there, he also had to verbally involve himself. And look at the video again: the very instant he was pushed, it was like his birthday, Christmas, and New Years all rolled into one and he instantly took the shot. There was no "Oh crap, this drunk asshole is shoving me!" just instantly decking him as hard as he could. The guy who threw the punch was clearly looking for trouble, found it, escalated it and enjoyed every moment of it -- he wasn't innocent, being a part of that incident was his choice. Both those assholes should do community service for being idiots for contributing in their own little way to dragging the human race down.
Saying that guy was "defending himself" does an incredible disservice to actual innocent people who are just trying to mind their own business and are assaulted anyway.
It's public space, the dude had a right to be there. The other man did not have the right to put his hands on another. He did, he got punched in the mouth for it, done and done. Don't be a loud mouthed jackass if you don't want to get popped in the mouth.
That's all a very nice thought, but nothing you said disputes the video, which clearly shows that the guy who threw the punch made a conscious choice to involve himself in a volatile situation. He had every available opportunity to walk away and chose not to.
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