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Did the Left jump the shark with this Mar-a-Lago stunt?

Did the Left jump the shark with this Mar-a-Lago stunt?

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neil said:
Regardless of whether or not there technically was justification for raiding Trump's home, it was nevertheless done in a very abrasive & heavy-handed way; it reveals the degree of hostility by the current regime and its supporters, and contempt by these characters towards anyone who isn't just fastened to their vagary, and America in general. So - my question is very simple.
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Idiotic.... what does the "left" have to do with Mar-A-Lago? Trump took things that he should not have taken. He did not give them all back when asked. The police sought a warrant, a judge signed off on it. The Feds took back the materials that did not belong to Trump. It is quite simple.

When with those with Trump Delusion Syndrome, the disease that has people believe Trump was a normal president who has been persecuted, finally realize Trump is a bad dude that can't stay in the bounds of the law. He is an outlaw. All of things that afflict Trump he has brought upon himself because of his arrogance, his narcissism, and, frankly, not being terribly bright.

Sorry pal, this Trump is a victim is old. I am sorry you are such a poor judge of character, but you are. This is cultist behavior on your part. There is help for this sort of thing if you want it.
 
Isidore said:
Isn't the Director of the FBI a Republican? Wasn't he appointed by Trump and confirmed with not a single no vote among Senate Republicans.

That left?
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Weren’t there two Democrats recently notorious for blocking a number of Democrat sponsored agendas?
 
neil said:
Regardless of whether or not there technically was justification for raiding Trump's home, it was nevertheless done in a very abrasive & heavy-handed way; it reveals the degree of hostility by the current regime and its supporters, and contempt by these characters towards anyone who isn't just fastened to their vagary, and America in general. So - my question is very simple.
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It was justified or they would not have done it.
 
neil said:
Oh, I love these replies! Keep'em coming! They put the level of conceitedness and utter arrogance by the Left on display for the world to see. I'll be quite dismayed if it dies down within days.
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And all the replies are people laughing at you...not with you.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
It is fascinating... Trump calls people names, insults them, is abrasive, selfish and mean.. All things Trumpsters like about him.. While president he weaponize agencies against his perceived enemies... His cult loved that too..

But when the other side fights back.. Trumpsters are outraged and their heads explode..

They want everyone to be like the coward Ted Cruz... Trump called his father an assassin, called his wife ugly and Cruz still bends over in front of Trump...
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They can put it out but can not take it.
 
Mustachio said:
My father was the editor of a university paper in the midwest (i remember you, i know you were in the same game). I've gone through some of his stuff from 67 when the protest in nearby Wisconsin made big headlines. The word "puritan" showed up a lot

I wish the 1980s never happened
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Except for porn I agree,
Mustachio said:
My father was the editor of a university paper in the midwest (i remember you, i know you were in the same game). I've gone through some of his stuff from 67 when the protest in nearby Wisconsin made big headlines. The word "puritan" showed up a lot

I wish the 1980s never happened
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Can't say I ever made it to Wisconsin.

It was in Ann Arbor, Michigan where I saw for the first time that the guys with the guns were getting meaner and the guys with signs were getting stupider and the only people actually hearing or seeing anything were these dudes with pads, pens microphones and cameras. I somehow knew if there was ever going to be change it would have to be through those guys, who then looked more like cops.

So I lied my way into college, got a diploma and was hired at the local daily running copy & cop checks. The local radio station offered to pay me for what I was doing as an intern, so I went. One day, returning from an assignment they asked me to describe driving conditions and to my surprise they taped it & used it on the air.

They rest, as they say, was a lot of ****ing work, 60 hour 6 day weeks, chasing firetrucks and skirt at about $200 a month.

If asked I would do every bit of it again except make some choices sooner.

I hold the 80's kind of dear actually as here in Canada we saw the creation and acceptance of the Canadian Constitution and its companion "Charter of Rights & Freedoms" I was bored but honored to have covered six years of 'first minister's conferences' where the deal was hammered out.

The 80's also brought the world to Vancouver at Expo 86 and was the year the boat I crewed for was 'boat of the year' we won so many races.

But I never got as much ass as I did in the 60's & 70's
 
NOVA66 said:
It was justified or they would not have done it.
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You mean like the FISA warrants? The FBI is incredibly compromised by political motives at this point.

Garland and Biden need to show some degree of caution for this move and explain why it was done and for what purpose. Otherwise it looks like what Trump says it does, targeting political opposition.

I know most of you feel Trump is completely dirty, that doesn't justify acting in kind by the current administration. Government is supposed to enforce justice, not political goals. This looks a lot like punching down and people in the US hate that, absolutely hate it.
 
OpportunityCost said:
You mean like the FISA warrants? The FBI is incredibly compromised by political motives at this point.

Garland and Biden need to show some degree of caution for this move and explain why it was done and for what purpose. Otherwise it looks like what Trump says it does, targeting political opposition.

I know most of you feel Trump is completely dirty, that doesn't justify acting in kind by the current administration. Government is supposed to enforce justice, not political goals. This looks a lot like punching down and people in the US hate that, absolutely hate it.
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How do you know that did not happen. There is lot of speculation in the post based on not much information. I would suggest you chill and wait until you know more before jumping to conclusions about this.

Meanwhile, you can not compare a FISA court, which almost never turns down a request from the DoJ (only 85 in 35 years out of 41,222 applications, with 68 of those rejections in '16 and '17)), with a Federal court.... The DoJ convinced a federal judge to issue this warrant. That Federal judge certainly knew this would be very well scrutinized, but did it anyway. Perhaps, just perhaps, that Federal judge found the evidence overwhelming and the severity of the crime compelling.
 
Unless the courts convict Trump of a crime, this will not work well for the Dems. It doesn't matter what the reasons were, it will fire up the conservative base that had started to lose interest.
 
upsideguy said:
How do you know that did not happen. There is lot of speculation in the post based on not much information. I would suggest you chill and wait until you know more before jumping to conclusions about this.

Meanwhile, you can not compare a FISA court, which almost never turns down a request from the DoJ (only 85 in 35 years out of 41,222 applications, with 68 of those rejections in '16 and '17)), with a Federal court.... The DoJ convinced a federal judge to issue this warrant. That Federal judge certainly knew this would be very well scrutinized, but did it anyway. Perhaps, just perhaps, that Federal judge found the evidence overwhelming and the severity of the crime compelling.
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They convinced a magistrate. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ff-search-warrant-trump-mar-lago/10293403002/

Try and get something right before you attempt to lecture me.
 
neil said:
Regardless of whether or not there technically was justification for raiding Trump's home, it was nevertheless done in a very abrasive & heavy-handed way; it reveals the degree of hostility by the current regime and its supporters, and contempt by these characters towards anyone who isn't just fastened to their vagary, and America in general. So - my question is very simple.
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Oh, bullshit.

And don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't have tried Obama for treason if this were case. You all actually tried to go after Hillary on this very issue!!!!

And don't forget that Trump made a big deal about increasing jail time over this issue from one to five years in prison!!!

It looks like the Secret Service tasked to Trump's detail noticed some documentation that they felt Trump may not need to have, so they alerted the FBI.

The FBI, under Wray who was appointed by Trump allowed the investigation to continue. And when it came time to get a warrant, they went to an independent judge...also appointed by Trump...to sign off on the warrant.

So, don't give us this partisan-hack-bullshit where Trump and the right are "victims". You just don't like it because your boy may get caught over something he tried to hang around Hillary's neck. And don't even try to tell me there wasn't any hostility from the Trump regime about it. Just don't.

You don't
 
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Jason Warfield said:
Oh, bullshit.

And don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't have tried Obama for treason if this were case. You all actually tried to go after Hillary on this very issue!!!!

And don't forget that Trump made a big deal about increasing jail time over this issue from one to five years in prison!!!

It looks like the Secret Service tasked to Trump's detail noticed some documentation that they felt Trump may not need to have, so they alerted the FBI.

The FBI, under Wray who was appointed by Trump allowed the investigation to continue. And when it came time to get a warrant, they went to an independent judge...also appointed by Trump...to sign off on the warrant.

So, don't give us this partisan-hack-bullshit where Trump and the right are "victims". You just don't like it because your boy may get caught over something he tried to hang around Hillary's neck. And don't even try to tell me there wasn't any hostility from the Trump regime about it. Just don't.

You don't
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grip said:
Unless the courts convict Trump of a crime, this will not work well for the Dems. It doesn't matter what the reasons were, it will fire up the conservative base that had started to lose interest.
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The same conservative base that got their asses whipped in 2020?
 
OpportunityCost said:
You mean like the FISA warrants? The FBI is incredibly compromised by political motives at this point.

Garland and Biden need to show some degree of caution for this move and explain why it was done and for what purpose. Otherwise it looks like what Trump says it does, targeting political opposition.

I know most of you feel Trump is completely dirty, that doesn't justify acting in kind by the current administration. Government is supposed to enforce justice, not political goals. This looks a lot like punching down and people in the US hate that, absolutely hate it.
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Actually, it doesn't look that way to me and it is much easier to justify my viewpoint, so I fear you are viewing this with conservative bias.

Merrick Garland has kept everything about investigating Trump as low-key as possible, and in this case, all the FBI agents went in plain clothes, not FBI jackets. He should not have to explain this. Trump shouldn't have taken the documents. If Hillary deserved a critique for the private server, Trump deserves one for this.

The main problem is that so many agents went, but that was because, with only a couple of them, the work would have taken days, and with lots, it took only a few hours, when Trump was away, so it wouldn't bother him.

So far, the only actors to blow this up into something it isn't are: Trump, the media on both sides, and the stupid MAGA crowd outside Mar-a-lago.
 
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