JustineCredible said:
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Originally Posted by Fantasea
Your reference to 'guest' Chaplains is incorrect. These are 'permanent', salaried Chaplains.
I didn't claim they did. You made that assumption. But that doesn't suprise me any, you tend to do that quite a bit then point the finger elsewhere.
Re-read your post.
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You shouldn't be faulted for making the most common of errors with respect to Christianity.
But you won't hessitate in doing so anyway.
Really?
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It is so easy for the lazy among us to just lump all of the various and sundry Protestant religions in with the Catholic religion and call the whole bagful "Christians". These groups are as different as all of the fruits and vegetables at the local produce market. Kindly give each one its due.
No, actually Christianity is the belief that Jesus Christ is the savior, therefore Catholics are just as "christian" as your Prodistant buddies. You can kick and scream about it all you want, but it doesn't change the facts.
Just because you don't like being compared to Catholics in respect to Christianity, doesn't mean anyone has to accomodate you.
Once again you manage to grasp the wrong end of the stick. The point you ignore is that every one of the twelve religious groups represented is a separate and distinct entity deserving of individual recognition.
In the matter of the place of Christ in religious circles, you ignored the Muslims.
Perfect and Holy
The Qur'an claims that Jesus of Nazareth knew no sin, that He was perfect and holy, whereas all other men are imperfect. Gabriel told Mary that her Son would be "without fault." The Bible confirms this truth and further relates that though Jesus was tempted in all things just as we are, He never sinned.
According to surah Ya-Sin and Mary of the Qur'an, Jesus is the only One who can advise God concerning the fate of each individual on the day of judgment. The bible, too acknowledges that "He, (God) gave Him (Jesus) authority to execute judgment". and that "...we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ..."
In the Qur'an, Jesus is seen as a direct revelation of God. Although no one has actually seen God, Jesus declared Him for, as the Bible tells us, "He is the radiance of His (God's) glory and the exact representation of His nature..." The apostle John said that Christ came to help us understand and find the true God.
Now who is this man who Qur'anic and biblical evidence reveal to be the only One ever born of a virgin, who never yielded to temptation, whose judgment of mankind is respected even by God and who is, in fact, an exact representation of God's nature?
The Qur'an says He is the Word and the Bible says that the Word, which became flesh and dwelt among us, is God. Jesus claimed to be God when He said, "I and the Father are one."
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http://www.leaderu.com/isr/articles_resources/jesusinislam.html
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Originally Posted by Fantasea
Had you taken the time to look, you would have found that in two hundred sixteen years there have been a total of eleven different "religions" represented by fifty-one different permanent Chaplains.
No, those are not "religions" per se, they are Congregational Demoninations of the same base religion. {ie, Christianity}
In actuality, they are separately organized groups, or splinter groups who have divorced themselves from antecedant group(s), declared themselves to be independent. All seek their due individual recognition.
In the US, newly organized religions spring up at the rate of several hundred each week. The fact that many of them choose to include the word "Christian", or a variation thereof, in their names is no more significant than the choice of a newly organized business to include the word, "Corporation", or a variation thereof, in their names
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Certainly a much broader scope than you assumed.
Only beause you like your Name, doesnt' mean the rest of us do.
If there's a pun in there, it's too subtle for me
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Wow. Now what does this do to the argument as to whether the US was founded upon Christian principles?
Not a damned thing, but you were the one to bring it up, so someone had to call you on it.
Getting testy, aren't you
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And what about that old bugaboo, "Separation of Church and State"?I have no idea why the roster of Guest Chaplains is shown for only four years. Were there no guest chaplains prior to that?
Is that really a question directed at me? How about you do your own leg work for a change in stead of making wild claims and not showing anything to back them up. While I rebutted your false claim and all you can do is whine that someone actually bothered to face you over it?
Get over yourself, you're just not that slick.
Just a bit of musing on my part. I seem to have touched a nerve, haven't I?
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You failed to note the several women among the gueat chaplains.
What does that have to do with the question of religion?
Nothing.
It's just another one of your lousey attempts to deflect attention from your flagrant ignorance of facts while opting for your opinionated claims with nothing to back them up.
Take a pill, chill out, or do whatever it is that you do to relax before you have an attack of some sort. It's not good to become excited.
Do I detect that you are reaching the point at which civil responses are no longer possible? That usually signals the point at which one's argument has run out of steam.
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Sometimes, a broad brush is required to do the job correctly.
Those who make the deliberate choice to take offense will, as always they are, be offended. On the other hand, those with broader vision will either agree or, if they disagree, will do so with the degree of civility which is the hallmark of reasonable persons.
Hmmm...I suggest you take your own advise there, dear.
Dear? Are we getting cozy?
I'm surprised that you haven't noticed. I never take offense and make an effort to conduct myself in as civil a manner as I can, regardless of the provocation.