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Did Pelosi and Reid know about the Foley hard core Instant Messages?

Navy Pride

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I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens..........
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens..........


Yet....you defend Hastert......hmmmmm
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens..........

But but but Hasturd said it right on the TV that it was leaked by Soros, or maybe Bill Clinton, or aliens from another planet. :spin: :spin:

Developing :aliens2:
 
tecoyah said:
Yet....you defend Hastert......hmmmmm

To this point I feel that Hastert has done nothing wrong and until proven otherwise I will continue to defend him......

You dodge the qustion thoughWhy doesn't Peelosi agree to testify under oath on what she knew and when she knew it?
 
hipsterdufus said:
But but but Hasturd said it right on the TV that it was leaked by Soros, or maybe Bill Clinton, or aliens from another planet. :spin: :spin:

Developing :aliens2:

You can bet your bottom dollar that Soros and his web site had something to do with it.............Don't you at least find it suspicious about the timing of this?
 
Navy Pride said:
To this point I feel that Hastert has done nothing wrong and until proven otherwise I will continue to defend him......

You dodge the qustion thoughWhy doesn't Peelosi agree to testify under oath on what she knew and when she knew it?

For the same reasons Bush wont, Or Cheney......they are all covering the perverbial A$$. Somehow though, I get the impression the white house has alot more A$$ to be a coverin'.

...and...as far as I know....No one has officially asked at this point, which would make the question Null and Void.
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens..........

I'm sorry if otehrs did not see the show. These very objective (sarcasm) congressmen were saying they wanted to put Reid and Pelosi under oath. When Chris asked them if they would put Hastert under oath, their response was something to the effect that they might be okay with that. What? You demand that the minority leaders be put under oath but you say you might consider putting the majority leader of the house under oath? What kind of ridiculous double standard is that? They were a joke.

Shall we remind people that the democrat on the page committee was not told of the whole Foley incident?

I see a pattern.
 
tecoyah said:
For the same reasons Bush wont, Or Cheney......they are all covering the perverbial A$$. Somehow though, I get the impression the white house has alot more A$$ to be a coverin'.

...and...as far as I know....No one has officially asked at this point, which would make the question Null and Void.

Why would Bush and Cheney be asked to testify about Foley?:confused:

We shall see...........I am pretty sure the 2 Congressmen on Hardball brought it up.....
 
aps said:
I'm sorry if otehrs did not see the show. These very objective (sarcasm) congressmen were saying they wanted to put Reid and Pelosi under oath. When Chris asked them if they would put Hastert under oath, their response was something to the effect that they might be okay with that. What? You demand that the minority leaders be put under oath but you say you might consider putting the majority leader of the house under oath? What kind of ridiculous double standard is that? They were a joke.

Shall we remind people that the democrat on the page committee was not told of the whole Foley incident?

I see a pattern.

I think that anyone that might have info on when and where they knew should be called and testify under oath be they democrat or republican...

That is what the Democrat said........I personally would like him to testify under oath as to what he knew and when he knew it......If Pelosi and Reid knew its hard to believe the democrat on the committee did not.......
 
Navy Pride said:
I think that anyone that might have info on when and where they knew should be called and testify under oath be they democrat or republican...

That is what the Democrat said........I personally would like him to testify under oath as to what he knew and when he knew it......If Pelosi and Reid knew its hard to believe the democrat on the committee did not.......

As long as both parties are treated the same, I fully support them being called to testify. I really would be surprised if the dems knew anything, but I guess it's possible. I was be terribly disappointed if they knew this and were waiting to use this when it would benefit them.
 
aps said:
As long as both parties are treated the same, I fully support them being called to testify. I really would be surprised if the dems knew anything, but I guess it's possible. I was be terribly disappointed if they knew this and were waiting to use this when it would benefit them.

If George Soros knew about it then it would be very surprising if the dems did not and ABC News is sure no friend of Republicans....

Don't you even question the timing of this a little?
 
Navy Pride said:
If George Soros knew about it then it would be very surprising if the dems did not and ABC News is sure no friend of Republicans....

Don't you even question the timing of this a little?

I hadn't really thought of it as timing in favor of the dems as opposed to bad timing for the republicans. For the most part, I dont' think the dems have the ability to orchestrate something like this. They suck when it comes to strategy.
 
aps said:
I hadn't really thought of it as timing in favor of the dems as opposed to bad timing for the republicans. For the most part, I dont' think the dems have the ability to orchestrate something like this. They suck when it comes to strategy.

Come on aps, do you remember the Cocaine and DUI charges brought out against Bush right before the 2000 elections? Do you remember the Dan Rather lies on CBS 60 Minutes right before the 2004 presidential elections...

Both partys do the same thing.......
 
Navy Pride said:
Come on aps, do you remember the Cocaine and DUI charges brought out against Bush right before the 2000 elections? Do you remember the Dan Rather lies on CBS 60 Minutes right before the 2004 presidential elections...

Both partys do the same thing.......

That was the media. Come on, can you not see how stupid the dems are when it comes to campaign strategy?
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens..........
I watched Hardball and you're totally misrepresenting what was said, your fabricating the truth.

One of the guests was a GOP Congressman Patrick McHenry (R), the other was Rep. Jack Kingston (R)said he heard what you're bogusly claiming...then Chris Matthews challenged him and asked him where he was getting that information from and he wouldn't answer, he never provided any proof, and Matthews kept asking him, several times and never was given an answer....

Matthews asked McHenry straight out if he knew if Pelosi or Emmanuel withheld evidence...and McHenry's bullshit answer was "I don't know that they didn't."

Think about that answer? "I don't know that they didn't." Is that the biggest pile of bullshit or what? In other words, Guilty until Proven Innocent! Nice Rove tactic don't you think.

I have this on Tivo and replayed it multiple times just now to cite these quotes. The actual transcript will be on the MSNBC website on Monday if you do not believe me.

Matthews then asked for them to give him a name of a Democrat who withheld information and neither would answer.

So what do you Navy Pride? You totally misrepresent this part of the show as "Nancy Pelosi and Rob Emmanual are balking at testifying under oath". You're absolutely spreading rumors and you're doing it in a very partisan manner.

Shame on you for misrepresenting the truth. Needless to say you're inability to provide any real proof underlines how uncreditable your posts usually are...this is a tactic you employ all the time and when challenged to provide proof you cut and run!
 
Navy Pride said:
I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens..........

If this were true and it was an orchestrated media event from the Dems, they would have used it in the 2004 general elections.
 
Didn't GWB and Cheney invoke executive privilege and refuse to be put under oath for the independent commission investigating the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001?
To be fair they did reverse course and 'allow' Rice to testify under oath to the commission.

Didn't the cons refuse to put Attorney General Gonzales under oath during the hearings concerning NSA surveillance and Presidential wartime powers?

IOKIYAR!!!

-It's OK If You're A Republican-LOL...:wink:
 
Iriemon said:
If this were true and it was an orchestrated media event from the Dems, they would have used it in the 2004 general elections.

They had something more juicy in 2004...........The Dan Rather CBS National Guard story.................It dealt directly with the president.......This scam deals with the HOR 1 month before the elections.....
 
Navy Pride said:
They had something more juicy in 2004...........The Dan Rather CBS National Guard story.................It dealt directly with the president.......This scam deals with the HOR 1 month before the elections.....
This entire thread is pure bullshit NP so why are you, again, ignoring the truth in order to spread lies about Democrats? Have you any conscience at all?

At 3pm today MSNBC will post the actual transcript from last Friday's Hardball. I will post the exact quotes I've already provided in my previous posts on this matter to completely and without any question prove that you're making everything up, that this thread is completely based on MISINFORMATION, purposefully by you Navy Pride.

OR...you can act like an honest and decent person and admit you got it wrong and I will forgo proving you wrong. You choose. Humble yourself and admit your errors or be exposed for purposefully starting a thread based on lies.

What will it be Navy Pride? Truth from you or Truth from Chris Matthews that proves that you made it all up?

BTW - Did you see this little tidbit from today's Washington Post?

Rep. Kolbe saw Foley messages in 2000

By Jonathan Weisman
The Washington Post
Updated: 9:11 a.m. ET Oct 9, 2006

Another Republican congressman knew of disgraced former representative Mark Foley's inappropriate Internet exchanges as far back as 2000 and personally confronted Foley about his communications.

A spokeswoman for Rep. Jim Kolbe (R-Ariz.) confirmed yesterday that a former page showed the congressman Internet messages that had made the youth feel uncomfortable with the direction Foley (R-Fla.) was taking their e-mail relationship. Last week, when the Foley matter erupted, a Kolbe staff member suggested to the former page that he take the matter to the clerk of the House, Karen Haas, said Kolbe's press secretary, Korenna Cline.

The revelation pushes back by at least five years the date when a member of Congress has acknowledged learning of Foley's questionable behavior. A timeline issued by House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) suggested that the first lawmakers to know, Rep. John M. Shimkus (R-Ill.), the chairman of the House Page Board, and Rep. Rodney Alexander (R-La.), became aware of "over-friendly" e-mails only last fall. It also expands the universe of players in the drama beyond members, either in leadership or on the page board.

Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15188206/

See Navy Pride....I provide PROOF and facts from a very reliable source. What do you do? You start a thread without one shred of proof or any link whatsoever to backup the crap you're writing about Democrats.

How low will you go? Apologies to this community for starting a thread based on rumors, falsehoods and bullshit are a great first step...are you man enough?
 
26 X World Champs said:
This entire thread is pure bullshit NP so why are you, again, ignoring the truth in order to spread lies about Democrats? Have you any conscience at all?

At 3pm today MSNBC will post the actual transcript from last Friday's Hardball. I will post the exact quotes I've already provided in my previous posts on this matter to completely and without any question prove that you're making everything up, that this thread is completely based on MISINFORMATION, purposefully by you Navy Pride.
To start this thread you wrote:
NavyPride said:
I wish just watching Hardball on MSNBC and there were 2 Republican Congressmen on who stated that both Reid and Pelosi knew about the Hard core Instant Messages from Foley 3 years ago and held on to them until last Friday to release them.....

They want the 2 Democrats to testify under oath as to what they knew when they knew it but that seems a problem for the 2 dems.........

I wonder why? The plot thickens.
Got it? Now let's examine what was actually said from the transcript of the show, and let's see what happens when Chris Matthews challenges the two Congressmen's rumor mongering: The two congressmen are McHenry and Kingston (REPUBLICANS).

As promised here's the truth, the actual transcript from last Friday's Hardball.

MCHENRY: Look Chris, this story is pretty clear. What the speaker did in reaction and what Mark Foley did it perpetrate this crime, clearly what Mark Foley did was sick. But the only question that remains in the story, Chris, is what person, group, or political entity held that e-mail and/or those instant messages?

MATTHEWS: Well tell me who it is?

KINGSTON: Well that‘s why we‘d like to get Ms. Pelosi.

MATTHEWS: No, wait a minute, let me get this straight. You‘re going to offer an opportunity for whoever did it on the Democratic side to come in and say that they did it. But you don‘t know anybody on the Democratic side did it, do you?

First of all, Mr. McHenry, do you believe a member of the Democratic leadership had anything to do with holding this information and dropping it on ABC last week? Do you believe that?


MCHENRY: I don‘t know that—Chris, I‘ll answer it this way. I do not know that they did not. And Nancy Pelosi and Rahm Emanuel, I asked them two days in a letter to submit themselves under oath and say clearly, yes or no, did they have prior knowledge of the instant messages and or e-mails. And if they did, they‘re an accessory to this crime.

MATTHEWS: How so?

MCHENRY: Because they allowed to keep a pedophile on the streets.

MATTHEWS: Just to follow this, let‘s follow that line of inquiry. Do you believe that your party controls all the committees? You control subpoena power, you control the leadership, you control all the non-member offices of the House, including the page control. You have all the authority in the world. If the Democrats have none of that authority, even if they had a glimmer of this, or a rumor of this, what were they supposed to do?

MCHENRY: Well, let me tell you something, Chris.

KINGSTON: Well they should have done what good citizens would have done and reported a criminal action, because it‘s against the law to solicit sex on the Internet, particularly to a minor. But, Chris, somebody had ...

MATTHEWS: No, it‘s not actually. Well, isn‘t because unless it‘s part of an effort to—and you actually do meet up with the kid and have sex, apparently. That‘s what I understand the law to be. But you‘re saying their job was to report it to the federal authorities and not to your leadership.

MCHENRY: Absolutely, and the Ethics Committee in the House is evenly divided. It‘s a bipartisan committee.

MATTHEWS: But you don‘t know—give me the name—please, gentlemen. There‘s two of you there. Please give me the name of somebody you suspect, some inclination of something you‘ve heard. Who do you believe—you mentioned George Soros.
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197362/

So you see when Matthews challenged them they both did what many Republicans in this community do, they make up untruths by saying:

MCHENRY: I don‘t know that—Chris, I‘ll answer it this way. I do not know that they did not.

Get it? He doesn't know anything at all...but he misdirects by saying he cannot rule out that they did not know! Rove speak 101....

NP picks up on this and instead of undestanding that these guys were "Roving" Democrats he starts this thread suggesting the same crap that these assholes did, based on the same premise, "I do not know that they did not."

That's just like saying "Bush snorts Coke in the White House." Right? Afterall I‘ll answer it this way. I do not know that he did not.
 
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MCHENRY: Because they allowed to keep a pedophile on the streets.

A republican said this?

I thought the republicans here were arguing that it was NOT considered pedophilia because the victimes were not pre-pubescent? (sp?)

Which is it now? Pedophilia or not?

Is it pedophilia if the democrat fail to expose it and not pedophilia if a republican prefers keeping it under wraps?

I'm sooooo confused! :confused:
 
aps said:
That was the media. Come on, can you not see how stupid the dems are when it comes to campaign strategy?

Oh aps please, Dan Rather hates the Bush Family........He is a die hard partisan democrat............You don't really believe that the 60 minutes thing was strategically timed to hurt President Bush.........

Like I said both parites do it.........Its politics as usual..........
 
aps said:
As long as both parties are treated the same, I fully support them being called to testify. I really would be surprised if the dems knew anything, but I guess it's possible. I was be terribly disappointed if they knew this and were waiting to use this when it would benefit them.

And if they knew a congressman was sending raunchy sexually explicit IM's to a 17 year old page what should happen to them?
 
Navy Pride said:
Oh aps please, Dan Rather hates the Bush Family........He is a die hard partisan democrat............You don't really believe that the 60 minutes thing was strategically timed to hurt President Bush.........

Like I said both parites do it.........Its politics as usual..........

I assumed when you said "democrats" that you were addressing the democrats IN CONGRESS. Tell me what democrats in Congress who are real strategists. I would love to see what you come up with.
 
Stinger said:
And if they knew a congressman was sending raunchy sexually explicit IM's to a 17 year old page what should happen to them?

They should step down from their leadership position(s).
 
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