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Did Obama engage in voter suppression to win election by eliminating massive numbers of mailboxes?

Did Obama engage in voter suppression to win election by eliminating massive numbers of mailboxes?


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“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office. In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public notification to customers.”

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes | Fox News

Pelosi, Schumer, and basically everyone on CNN, MSNBC, nearly all the rest of the media and in the press all agree the only reason post office boxes are removed is because the president is trying to suppress voting to steal the election.

Are they correct? Did Obama eliminate thousands and thousands of mailboxes to suppress voting like they claim is the only motive to eliminate public mailboxes?
 

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“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office. In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public notification to customers.”

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes | Fox News

Pelosi, Schumer, and basically everyone on CNN, MSNBC, nearly all the rest of the media and in the press all agree the only reason post office boxes are removed is because the president is trying to suppress voting to steal the election.

Are they correct? Did Obama eliminate thousands and thousands of mailboxes to suppress voting like they claim is the only motive to eliminate public mailboxes?

Posted this link, that surely proved he did interfere with our elections, this morning on my recent thread in Breaking News.... So far :crickets:

Where was the Democrats' outrage then? Did I mention crickets, crickets, crickets?

Where was the outrage from the Democrats when Obama made "alleged" necessary reforms in his fiscal budgets in order to produce efficiency in our USPS?

The removal of collection boxes is nothing new. Note the date of this article linked below; September 2016 Who was the president then? How dare Obama interfere with our 2016 elections in an effort to save his legacy! ;)


Where Have All the Collection Boxes Gone? | USPS Office of Inspector General
 
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At least you don't pretend to have intellectual integrity in your messages even on the same day.

Have you seen the piles of mailboxes removed from black and brown locales. How about the hundreds of automatic mail sorters taken off line. Imagine your outrage if a Democrat did this a few months before a presidential election.

Nor do you have anything backing up your totally false claim mailboxes are only being removed from "black and brown areas" or "hundreds of automatic mail sorters taken off line."

In fact, only 19 mail sorters were eliminated for whatever reasons, which CNN of course claimed is "hundreds" because pathological lying is all CNN does.
USPS removing mail-sorting machines is latest change ahead of election - Business Insider
 

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“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office. In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public notification to customers.”

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes | Fox News

Pelosi, Schumer, and basically everyone on CNN, MSNBC, nearly all the rest of the media and in the press all agree the only reason post office boxes are removed is because the president is trying to suppress voting to steal the election.

Are they correct? Did Obama eliminate thousands and thousands of mailboxes to suppress voting like they claim is the only motive to eliminate public mailboxes?

Did Obama do this right before an upcoming election? Did Obama put a butt kissing Postmaster General in charge right before an election?
 

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“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office. In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public notification to customers.”

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes | Fox News

Pelosi, Schumer, and basically everyone on CNN, MSNBC, nearly all the rest of the media and in the press all agree the only reason post office boxes are removed is because the president is trying to suppress voting to steal the election.

Are they correct? Did Obama eliminate thousands and thousands of mailboxes to suppress voting like they claim is the only motive to eliminate public mailboxes?

Every damn fool thing Trump does, his sycophants want to claim Obama did it.
Obama governed. Let's see Trump do that.
 

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Ah, I see. So, the report if you actually care to read it,, shows only 60 of 6,314 recommended removals were executed in their explanatory audit survey. If anything, that completely annihilates OP argument that Obama had tried to repress votes by removing mail boxes. If anything, they under-removed boxes, contrary to recommendations. That would support mail in voting not suppress it.

Another fact from the document.
"According to the Postal Operations Manual, if a mailbox is not receiving an average of 25 pieces per day, the PostalService may remove it. The PostalService is required to post a 30-day notice on the box before it is removed, and customers are invited to comment." I don't recall seeing this notice in the numerous reports of mailboxes arbitrarily being yanked out of the ground in blue states.

And since we are comparing, where are the updated audits post 2015, so we can compare?
 
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“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office. In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public notification to customers.”

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes | Fox News

Pelosi, Schumer, and basically everyone on CNN, MSNBC, nearly all the rest of the media and in the press all agree the only reason post office boxes are removed is because the president is trying to suppress voting to steal the election.

Are they correct? Did Obama eliminate thousands and thousands of mailboxes to suppress voting like they claim is the only motive to eliminate public mailboxes?

Obama instead put Black Panthers at the polling places
 

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It's not fun how many Democrats try to derail every thread by irrelevant generic and old insults at Trump.
 

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Every damn fool thing Trump does, his sycophants want to claim Obama did it.
Obama governed. Let's see Trump do that.

It is true that nearly everything the Democratic Party and MSM speculate Trump did is something that Clinton and Obama in fact did do.

Obama eliminated 12,000 public mailboxes. Therefore, clearly nearly all Democrats will support it if Trump does the same. Right?
 

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Did Obama do this right before an upcoming election? Did Obama put a butt kissing Postmaster General in charge right before an election?

During a pandemic ...
 

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It is true that nearly everything the Democratic Party and MSM speculate Trump did is something that Clinton and Obama in fact did do.

Obama eliminated 12,000 public mailboxes. Therefore, clearly nearly all Democrats will support it if Trump does the same. Right?

Right, and Obama tried to eliminate vote by mail by refusing to fund the post office to the point it could actually deliver ballots on time. He did this because vote by mail would make it more difficult for him to win the election.

However, in this parallel universe, that didn't happen.
 

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The pathetic Trump corruption excuse threads are fun. It is great to watch people attempt to justify supporting an anti American, racist, democracy hating, sex offending moron.

Just because Trump is a narcissist, a racist, and a moron, doesn't mean he's capable of effectively running a nationwide conspiracy to steal the election via the post office; a conspiracy that would have to require the active support of tens of thousands of people, many of whom oppose his Presidency.

Tribalism makes us stupid. This latest Conspiracy-Mongering is only the latest example.
 

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Right, and Obama tried to eliminate vote by mail by refusing to fund the post office to the point it could actually deliver ballots on time. He did this because vote by mail would make it more difficult for him to win the election.

And neither has Trump - yes, I know what he said, and, this may astonish, but, he's an idiot, and doesn't know what he's talking about. The money he pushed back on was for States, not the Postal Service, which handles 3 billion pieces of mail a week, and can rather easily handle the bump of 150 million mail-in-votes; the worry is timelines for calling the election, and making sure States push back when they start accepting ballots in order to allow for it.


Trump said last week that if Democrats didn’t get the money they seek for the postal service, there can be no universal mail-in voting. But, as Byron York of the Washington Examiner points out, the $25 billion for the postal service in the latest COVID-relief bill passed by the House was meant as a general bailout that had nothing to do with processing mail-in ballots. The bill has another $3.6 billion for something called the Election Assistance Commission that would go, not to the postal service, but to states “for contingency planning, preparation, and resilience of elections for federal office.”

Trump confused the two pots of money and made it sound like widespread mail-in balloting couldn’t happen without the additional funding, although there’s no reason to think this is true.

Given that the postal service delivers almost 3 billion pieces of mail a week, it is going to be able to handle any surge in mail-in voting, a proverbial drop in the bucket. What the postal service warned of last week is that some states have deadlines for mail-balloting that are too close to Election Day to allow a cushion for a reliable delivery, an admonition meant to ensure that mail-in voting works as intended....
 

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And neither has Trump - yes, I know what he said, and, this may astonish, but, he's an idiot, and doesn't know what he's talking about. The money he pushed back on was for States, not the Postal Service, which handles 3 billion pieces of mail a week, and can rather easily handle the bump of 150 million mail-in-votes; the worry is timelines for calling the election, and making sure States push back when they start accepting ballots in order to allow for it.


Trump said last week that if Democrats didn’t get the money they seek for the postal service, there can be no universal mail-in voting. But, as Byron York of the Washington Examiner points out, the $25 billion for the postal service in the latest COVID-relief bill passed by the House was meant as a general bailout that had nothing to do with processing mail-in ballots. The bill has another $3.6 billion for something called the Election Assistance Commission that would go, not to the postal service, but to states “for contingency planning, preparation, and resilience of elections for federal office.”

Trump confused the two pots of money and made it sound like widespread mail-in balloting couldn’t happen without the additional funding, although there’s no reason to think this is true.

Given that the postal service delivers almost 3 billion pieces of mail a week, it is going to be able to handle any surge in mail-in voting, a proverbial drop in the bucket. What the postal service warned of last week is that some states have deadlines for mail-balloting that are too close to Election Day to allow a cushion for a reliable delivery, an admonition meant to ensure that mail-in voting works as intended....

Agreed that he doesn't know what he's talking about, but once he has said that the post office can't deliver ballots on time, whether that is true or not, enough people will believe it to discourage mail in ballots. Not wanting to stand in line to vote and risk possible infection while doing so will discourage people from voting at all. A lower voting turnout will make a Trump victory more likely.
 

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Agreed that he doesn't know what he's talking about, but once he has said that the post office can't deliver ballots on time, whether that is true or not, enough people will believe it to discourage mail in ballots. Not wanting to stand in line to vote and risk possible infection while doing so will discourage people from voting at all. A lower voting turnout will make a Trump victory more likely.

Yes, but, ironically, it will depress the vote mostly among people who still pay attention to and trust what he says :lol: A lower voting turnout as a result of his statements may not be so helpful to his campaign as you think ;)
 

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Just because Trump is a narcissist, a racist, and a moron, doesn't mean he's capable of effectively running a nationwide conspiracy to steal the election via the post office; a conspiracy that would have to require the active support of tens of thousands of people, many of whom oppose his Presidency.

Tribalism makes us stupid. This latest Conspiracy-Mongering is only the latest example.

He is certainly trying. Whether or not it will work, it is evident he is trying. Appointing a post master who is deeply in Camp Trump, who immediately cuts hours and backs up the mail shortly before an election that Trump says he does not want mail in voting. That is not all a coincidence. It isn't a conspiracy when it is blatantly happening.
 

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Obama instead put Black Panthers at the polling places

"Fox News replayed a clip of black panthers in front of a polling station over and over and over again in 2016, and that's why Trump should steal the election this year."

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“Nationally the number of collection boxes declined by more than 12,000 in the past five years,” an August 2016 report said. “Some customers have complained the Postal Service has gone too far and removed most collection boxes, except those at the Post Office. In addition, they have questioned whether any cost savings result from collection box removals.”
The same report revealed that in a 17-month period during Obama’s second term, hundreds of mailboxes were removed without following the appropriate process, as “322 out-of-service boxes were permanently removed from the street without Eastern Area approval or public notification to customers.”

USPS flashback: Obama administration removed thousands of mailboxes | Fox News

Pelosi, Schumer, and basically everyone on CNN, MSNBC, nearly all the rest of the media and in the press all agree the only reason post office boxes are removed is because the president is trying to suppress voting to steal the election.

Are they correct? Did Obama eliminate thousands and thousands of mailboxes to suppress voting like they claim is the only motive to eliminate public mailboxes?

Great find! Let's not also forget that the Black Panthers stood around polling locations to intimidate white people in 2008.
 

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Voting randomly, as this is a Joko thread.
 

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The pathetic Trump corruption excuse threads are fun. It is great to watch people attempt to justify supporting an anti American, racist, democracy hating, sex offending moron.

So, when Obama does it, it is OK, but when it happens under Trump it is vote suppression.
 
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