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Did a Queens Podiatrist Help Donald Trump Avoid Vietnam? - The New York Times

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I was 1A during the draft years and I got lucky when they created a lottery system that, by sheer luck my lottery number was higher than the numbers they drafted up to. But later I join the Navy anyway and was honorably discharged.

I'm appalled to hear that our president who is in Chief of the Armed Forces was a draft Dodger illegally. If he avoided the draft legally I wouldn't fault him for that, not many kids wanted to go to Vietnam, it was not a popular war and personally I was against it myself. But I didn't cheat to get out nor did I flee to Canada.

Excuse me if I view this president with contempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html

The podiatrist, Dr. Larry Braunstein, died in 2007. But his daughters say their father often told the story of coming to the aid of a young Mr. Trump during the Vietnam War as a favor to his father.

“I know it was a favor,” said one daughter, Dr. Elysa Braunstein, 56, who along with her sister, Sharon Kessel, 53, shared the family’s account for the first time publicly when contacted by The New York Times.
 

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I'm sure the story is true but without proof it doesn't mean much.
 

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I was 1A during the draft years and I got lucky when they created a lottery system that, by sheer luck my lottery number was higher than the numbers they drafted up to. But later I join the Navy anyway and was honorably discharged.

I'm appalled to hear that our president who is in Chief of the Armed Forces was a draft Dodger illegally. If he avoided the draft legally I wouldn't fault him for that, not many kids wanted to go to Vietnam, it was not a popular war and personally I was against it myself. But I didn't cheat to get out nor did I flee to Canada.

Excuse me if I view this president with contempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html

I'm sure the story is true but without proof it doesn't mean much.

3rd party telling the story... Not from the horses mouth....while possibly and more probably true...... We must also fairly take the point that he is innocent until proven guilty. (You even put "DID" in other words this is an accusation without evidence.

I served and honorably discharged as well.... Trump dodging the draft does not change my mind about him. He is a moral scumbag, but I support most of his policies.

you can be a bad guy but still do a good job. I think he is doing find in jobs criteria.
 

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I'm sure the story is true but without proof it doesn't mean much.

It is meaningful in context when the history of this President is considered in full...fits a pattern of deceit.
 

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I was 1A during the draft years and I got lucky when they created a lottery system that, by sheer luck my lottery number was higher than the numbers they drafted up to. But later I join the Navy anyway and was honorably discharged.

I'm appalled to hear that our president who is in Chief of the Armed Forces was a draft Dodger illegally. If he avoided the draft legally I wouldn't fault him for that, not many kids wanted to go to Vietnam, it was not a popular war and personally I was against it myself. But I didn't cheat to get out nor did I flee to Canada.

Excuse me if I view this president with contempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html

Hell, even 1AOs/1Os, when called, serve their country in some capacity.
 

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I was 1A during the draft years and I got lucky when they created a lottery system that, by sheer luck my lottery number was higher than the numbers they drafted up to. But later I join the Navy anyway and was honorably discharged.

I'm appalled to hear that our president who is in Chief of the Armed Forces was a draft Dodger illegally. If he avoided the draft legally I wouldn't fault him for that, not many kids wanted to go to Vietnam, it was not a popular war and personally I was against it myself. But I didn't cheat to get out nor did I flee to Canada.

Excuse me if I view this president with contempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html

I'm sure the story is true but without proof it doesn't mean much.

3rd party telling the story... Not from the horses mouth....while possibly and more probably true...... We must also fairly take the point that he is innocent until proven guilty. (You even put "DID" in other words this is an accusation without evidence.

I served and honorably discharged as well.... Trump dodging the draft does not change my mind about him. He is a moral scumbag, but I support most of his policies.

you can be a bad guy but still do a good job. I think he is doing find in jobs criteria.

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That notion -- that one who is a "moral scumbag" be tolerated in the job of POTUS (though truly, I'm hard pressed to think of a job I'd hire one to do were I to suspect the person of being a "moral scumbag") -- is something I do not forbear, and it's a notion to which I'll never cotton. And to be honest, I don't understand what malise of circumstances coalesced to allow folks to conclude that an inveterate liar is any way "doing a fine job" as POTUS. I mean, really; of all the jobs one might hold, I can't think of any in which one's preponderantly telling the truth is more important than it is in the job of POTUS.
 

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3rd party telling the story... Not from the horses mouth....while possibly and more probably true...... We must also fairly take the point that he is innocent until proven guilty. (You even put "DID" in other words this is an accusation without evidence.

I served and honorably discharged as well.... Trump dodging the draft does not change my mind about him. He is a moral scumbag, but I support most of his policies.

you can be a bad guy but still do a good job. I think he is doing find in jobs criteria.


We're not in court of law. I'll accept the daughter's story.


A lot of conservatives could have been nominated with similar policies, yet your party nominated a scumbag.

Congratulations.
 

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That notion -- that one who is a "moral scumbag" be tolerated in the job of POTUS (though truly, I'm hard pressed to think of a job I'd hire one to do were I to suspect the person of being a "moral scumbag") -- is something I do not forbear, and it's a notion to which I'll never cotton. And to be honest, I don't understand what malise of circumstances coalesced to allow folks to conclude that an inveterate liar is any way "doing a fine job" as POTUS. I mean, really; of all the jobs one might hold, I can't think of any in which one's preponderantly telling the truth is more important than it is in the job of POTUS.

We have a LOT of moral scumbags with in our Political Sector and WE tolerate it. We just need to be honest about it. As for TRUMP in the position of POTUS. I had to make a choice. choosing a person to do a JOB that Aligns with NONE of my political beliefs. Or a moral scumbag that aligns to do the JOB I expected.

So I chose trump because I agreed with what he said he would do. I did NOT agree with HRC at all. So are you saying I am "SUPPOSED" to choose HRC because she did Not cheat on Bill or have sex with pornstars EVEN though She would NOT fulfill a single policy in the position of POTUS that I "Hire" her to be in?


Inveterate liar. doing a fine job? Yes.

By policies and politics that I chose he is.

1) Travel Ban specified 7 specific nations that have the inability to vet its people, NO formal Identification and countries with KNOWN terrorist activities.
2) Taxes have decrease YES they have I have seen it so has my friends we are NOT making over 100,000 but we still saw some benefits
3) Repeal ACA is seemingly on its way... 2019 Health Insurance monthly has jumped YET again $611 it used to be $253 6 years ago...
4) Immigration and Securing our borders this is his forte at this point and ONLY being blocked by Dems, HELL 1.8 MILLION DACA recipients were approved LAST shut down and that was NOT accepted by Dems.
5) NK is not shooting Missiles over my Wifes homeland.


So PURELY only politics for which I VOTED for him yes he is doing OK.... Not perfect and I dont expect it... BUT much better I assumed HRC would be doing as she does NOT align with my views.


Agree with the politics OR NOT that is my choice and my alingment. I do NOT agree with him cheating on his wives, nor banging porn stars or playboy bunnies. YET this was WELL before he was even considering the POTUS position NOW, if he was banging them AS the PRESIDENT then we have issues. But at this time there are no accusations or charges.
 

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We're not in court of law. I'll accept the daughter's story.


A lot of conservatives could have been nominated with similar policies, yet your party nominated a scumbag.

Congratulations.

NO we are NOT and you are MORE than free to accept it all you want, WONT change my mind and likely many that voted for him.
 

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NO we are NOT and you are MORE than free to accept it all you want, WONT change my mind and likely many that voted for him.

It is OK to have vioted for Trump, it is OK to support conservative values, even the sick social ones. It is not OK to support Trump now that we know what a sick **** he is and it is morally disgusting and sickening to vow to vote for him again.
 

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I was 1A during the draft years and I got lucky when they created a lottery system that, by sheer luck my lottery number was higher than the numbers they drafted up to. But later I join the Navy anyway and was honorably discharged.

I'm appalled to hear that our president who is in Chief of the Armed Forces was a draft Dodger illegally. If he avoided the draft legally I wouldn't fault him for that, not many kids wanted to go to Vietnam, it was not a popular war and personally I was against it myself. But I didn't cheat to get out nor did I flee to Canada.

Excuse me if I view this president with contempt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html

Who care? The President has admitted he was a Leftist Democrat during that time period. This is typical of their behavior.
 

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We have a LOT of moral scumbags with in our Political Sector and WE tolerate it. We just need to be honest about it. As for TRUMP in the position of POTUS. I had to make a choice. choosing a person to do a JOB that Aligns with NONE of my political beliefs. Or a moral scumbag that aligns to do the JOB I expected.

So I chose trump because I agreed with what he said he would do. I did NOT agree with HRC at all. So are you saying I am "SUPPOSED" to choose HRC because she did Not cheat on Bill or have sex with pornstars EVEN though She would NOT fulfill a single policy in the position of POTUS that I "Hire" her to be in?


Inveterate liar. doing a fine job? Yes.

By policies and politics that I chose he is.

1) Travel Ban specified 7 specific nations that have the inability to vet its people, NO formal Identification and countries with KNOWN terrorist activities.
2) Taxes have decrease YES they have I have seen it so has my friends we are NOT making over 100,000 but we still saw some benefits
3) Repeal ACA is seemingly on its way... 2019 Health Insurance monthly has jumped YET again $611 it used to be $253 6 years ago...
4) Immigration and Securing our borders this is his forte at this point and ONLY being blocked by Dems, HELL 1.8 MILLION DACA recipients were approved LAST shut down and that was NOT accepted by Dems.
5) NK is not shooting Missiles over my Wifes homeland.


So PURELY only politics for which I VOTED for him yes he is doing OK.... Not perfect and I dont expect it... BUT much better I assumed HRC would be doing as she does NOT align with my views.


Agree with the politics OR NOT that is my choice and my alingment. I do NOT agree with him cheating on his wives, nor banging porn stars or playboy bunnies. YET this was WELL before he was even considering the POTUS position NOW, if he was banging them AS the PRESIDENT then we have issues. But at this time there are no accusations or charges.
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It is OK to have vioted for Trump, it is OK to support conservative values, even the sick social ones. It is not OK to support Trump now that we know what a sick **** he is and it is morally disgusting and sickening to vow to vote for him again.

Really? is that a job description of the POTUS as we can play 2 games..

HRC was married to a former President that had RELATIONS WHILE WORKING as the POTUS to included a BJ in the OVAL offices. WHO she is still married to and defends? Can we not translate that as guilty by association?

You see where I am going I am NOT defending TRUMPS actions but accepting that many have "Skeletons" and issues. Yet it is up to we the people to make an honest decision. The "Sick things" he did were 10+ years ago at this time nothing showing recent misdeeds in any capacity. People could change over a couple of years. AGAIN if Trump was doing this NOW as the POTUS then I would have an even greater moral outrage..... but it still does NOT defeat his politics that he is trying to fulfill?
 

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Fair enough so you can respect my points then. And why I chose Trump even though I realized that he may be a moral scumbag, Now if the Constitution required the elected President to be Morally sound, then we have another issue on our hand.

But currently it is the ability to fulfill the duties of the president. While Political beliefs my differ I do feel that each of the 45 presidents where and are trying to fulfill the greater good.
 

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We have a LOT of moral scumbags with in our Political Sector and WE tolerate it. We just need to be honest about it. As for TRUMP in the position of POTUS. I had to make a choice. choosing a person to do a JOB that Aligns with NONE of my political beliefs. Or a moral scumbag that aligns to do the JOB I expected.

So I chose trump because I agreed with what he said he would do. I did NOT agree with HRC at all. So are you saying I am "SUPPOSED" to choose HRC because she did Not cheat on Bill or have sex with pornstars EVEN though She would NOT fulfill a single policy in the position of POTUS that I "Hire" her to be in?

Inveterate liar. doing a fine job? Yes.

By policies and politics that I chose he is.

1) Travel Ban specified 7 specific nations that have the inability to vet its people, NO formal Identification and countries with KNOWN terrorist activities.
2) Taxes have decrease YES they have I have seen it so has my friends we are NOT making over 100,000 but we still saw some benefits
3) Repeal ACA is seemingly on its way... 2019 Health Insurance monthly has jumped YET again $611 it used to be $253 6 years ago...
4) Immigration and Securing our borders this is his forte at this point and ONLY being blocked by Dems, HELL 1.8 MILLION DACA recipients were approved LAST shut down and that was NOT accepted by Dems.
5) NK is not shooting Missiles over my Wifes homeland.

So PURELY only politics for which I VOTED for him yes he is doing OK.... Not perfect and I dont expect it... BUT much better I assumed HRC would be doing as she does NOT align with my views.

Agree with the politics OR NOT that is my choice and my alingment. I do NOT agree with him cheating on his wives, nor banging porn stars or playboy bunnies. YET this was WELL before he was even considering the POTUS position NOW, if he was banging them AS the PRESIDENT then we have issues. But at this time there are no accusations or charges.
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Fair enough so you can respect my points then. And why I chose Trump even though I realized that he may be a moral scumbag, Now if the Constitution required the elected President to be Morally sound, then we have another issue on our hand.

But currently it is the ability to fulfill the duties of the president. While Political beliefs my differ I do feel that each of the 45 presidents where and are trying to fulfill the greater good.

Blue:
No.
 

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Who care? The President has admitted he was a Leftist Democrat during that time period. This is typical of their behavior.

Anytime Trump tells you he's this or that he's only doing that cuz he wants something from you, like your Vote or your approval or admiration. He is an empty suit and I'm surprised you haven't noticed
 

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NO we are NOT and you are MORE than free to accept it all you want, WONT change my mind and likely many that voted for him.

" the measure of intelligence is the ability to change one's mind " --Albert Einstein


They don't call the GOP the party of stupid for nothing
 

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I'm sure the story is true but without proof it doesn't mean much.

It can reasonably be assumed to be true since Cadet Bone Spurs was playing baseball, tennis, and squash at the time.
 

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If true, not shocked. Thus, does not matter if true.
 

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3rd party telling the story... Not from the horses mouth....while possibly and more probably true...... We must also fairly take the point that he is innocent until proven guilty. (You even put "DID" in other words this is an accusation without evidence.

I served and honorably discharged as well.... Trump dodging the draft does not change my mind about him. He is a moral scumbag, but I support most of his policies.

you can be a bad guy but still do a good job. I think he is doing find in jobs criteria.

You can't be an incessant and pathological liar As Trump is and do a fine job.

Trump is not doing a fine job. Trump will go down as the worst president in history
 

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" the measure of intelligence is the ability to change one's mind " --Albert Einstein


They don't call the GOP the party of stupid for nothing

Sad that we have devolved to name calling...... But I guess when you lose the value of debate thats where you go.

I assume the attempt to use an "accusation" like the daughter of the podiatrist making a claim that he lied for Trump is an attempt to dissuade voters right? Is this not an attempt by someone to "change someones mind"

YET the basis of the accusation is not Factually based?

More so the present retort that I have given in explaining why It does not change my mind.

1) because their is no Factual basis in the claim
2) it does NOT change how he does his policies.


You resort to quoting Einstein with intelligence in the quote to indicate a higher level of thinking...... wow.... just wow....yet lack all the predicates involved in an actual debate.

I would more appreciate you telling me how un intelligent the actual POLICIES are rather than just name calling as stupid party.... but I guess thats the best you can do. At least the other guy that said no was honest and left it at that.....
 
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You can't be an incessant and pathological liar As Trump is and do a fine job.

Trump is not doing a fine job.

Instead of telling me that.. WHILE I can accept that you DONT accept his policies.

TELL me how he is doing a bad job, I just listed why I think he IS doing a decent job, discredit it.

Ill give you a couple.

1) First time meeting with a North Korean leader in years...(Carter was the last physical meeting) Missiles has ceased to fly over Japan (but each administration NK has launched missiles)
2) Travel Ban, Upheld by the Supreme court.
3) Taxes.
4) Trade negotiations and Fair trade, Its ruffling some feathers but is it NOT? We are calling out people whom are getting rich off us?
5) Health care is the Next big one, with the repeal of the mandate there is no Tax, the ACA breakdown may be soon after the Texas move.
6) Immigration. This sucks we need Border security and a clean up of all loopholes Its forefront right now in the news... We shall see.


SO again lets discuss the policies with we may DISAGREE but at least explain to me why they are bad and he is doing a bad job?
 
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