Dick Cheney: Barack Obama 'trying to pretend'

[tumbleweed]

You see, the Iranians in 1980 not only saw Ronald Reagan differently, but behaved differently because he portrayed strength. They believed he would act.

You might want to use a different example of strength than Reagan considering he cut and run after the Beirut bombing. I'll admit he could act though. :mrgreen:

 

[Dittohead not!]

You really must have a miserable life that all you can do is perpetuate hatred and focus on what happened 6 years agol. Guess that is what shallow minded people do.

It wasn't a trillion dollars to kill one man and this conservative understands what national defense really means. A threat to this country is not always militarily but also economically.

9/11 cost this country over a trillion dollars according to the GAO and President Bush declared that another would never happen on his watch. Another did not happen on his watch.

I don't expect you to understand that just like I don't expect people like you to ever move on and focus on the problems of today nor do I expect you to understand that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. All of radical Islam are enemies of our way of life but your live for tday and ignore the potential of this threat is what far too many do. Thousands of Americans died on 9/11 and had we been proactive after Gulf War 1 that wouldn't have happened.

Al Qaeda attacked the US on 9/11, so we reacted by invading a nation that did not harbor Al Qaeda. Now, there was a great decision. The war against Iraq was something that the PNAC wanted to do all along, and the attack provided a neat excuse. Of course, Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on the twin towers, but, hey, never let a good crisis go to waste. It was a great idea, anyway, to launch a war that wouldn't last more than six months or so, and would be seen as a great victory and a feather in the cap of the Neocons and their puppet president. But, let's forget about all that and focus on the problems of today, which, of course, have nothing at all to do with the poor decisions of yesterday. Every day is a brand new world, don't you know, so the Project for a New American Century in which we set out to impose a Pax Americana on the rest of the world was a great idea, and now to prove it, the world has one less dictator.

So, the way forward is obviously to invade every other nation that is ruled by a despot, just to show who is boss and to rid the world of evil by force of arms. Should we start with Somalia, Cuba, Venezuela, Yemen, or where? There are so many to choose from.

 

[winston53660]

You might want to use a different example of strength than Reagan considering he cut and run after the Beirut bombing. I'll admit he could act though. :mrgreen:

That and Iranians getting some weapons from the Reagan admin.

 

[Conservative]

Al Qaeda attacked the US on 9/11, so we reacted by invading a nation that did not harbor Al Qaeda. Now, there was a great decision. The war against Iraq was something that the PNAC wanted to do all along, and the attack provided a neat excuse. Of course, Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on the twin towers, but, hey, never let a good crisis go to waste. It was a great idea, anyway, to launch a war that wouldn't last more than six months or so, and would be seen as a great victory and a feather in the cap of the Neocons and their puppet president. But, let's forget about all that and focus on the problems of today, which, of course, have nothing at all to do with the poor decisions of yesterday. Every day is a brand new world, don't you know, so the Project for a New American Century in which we set out to impose a Pax Americana on the rest of the world was a great idea, and now to prove it, the world has one less dictator.

So, the way forward is obviously to invade every other nation that is ruled by a despot, just to show who is boss and to rid the world of evil by force of arms. Should we start with Somalia, Cuba, Venezuela, Yemen, or where? There are so many to choose from.

Read the resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq before making dumb statements like the one above. Obviously you still want to debate the reasons for going to war in Iraq but what purpose does it serve. You aren't going to change my mind nor I yours.

9/11 happened and the world changed then. there is no way he could be allowed to remain in power with the potential to reconstitute his program even though the world thought he already had.

 

[Conservative]

That and Iranians getting some weapons from the Reagan admin.

I love it, Reagan still driving people crazy, many of whom were young kids during his term and really haven't a clue as to what Reagan actually did or why he did what he did. Obviously living during that time and old enough to know what actually went on isn't as credible as reading about it in today's media or on the leftwing revisionist blogs.

 

[nonpareil]

The alternative would be to have Saddam and his sons still in power, operating without sanctions, shooting at our airplanes, reconstituting his WMD program, being a threat to his neighbors and thus the oil flow in the region, funding and harboring terrorists, allowing sections of his country to be used for training bases for al Qaeda and every other nutcase terrorist group, paying money to suicide bombers in Israel, and then brutalizing his own people.

Ohh, I'm so scared now. I wonder how the world survived the 90's when Saddam and his son was in power, what with them being the source of ALL EVIL. Remember the 90's when oil were cheaper, when there were less terrorist attacks, when there were less Americans soldiers killed, when a President actually managed to put the budget in the black? But oh right, Clinton was complacent, so we had 911, and the world is so much safer now that there are two wars going on and China and Russia gaining power on the world stage (cause America does not need the world's good opinion) - and that's why we never have terrorists attempting to blow up planes anymore, and there's no more training bases for al Quaeda, and no one want to join the evil terrorist groups anymore because they saw how the USA would put them into prisons, and there is peace in the middle east with never any worry about oil supply any more, and no more funding available for the bad bad terrorist groups.

 

[Conservative]

Ohh, I'm so scared now. I wonder how the world survived the 90's when Saddam and his son was in power, what with them being the source of ALL EVIL. Remember the 90's when oil were cheaper, when there were less terrorist attacks, when there were less Americans soldiers killed, when a President actually managed to put the budget in the black? But oh right, Clinton was complacent, so we had 911, and the world is so much safer now that there are two wars going on and China and Russia gaining power on the world stage (cause America does not need the world's good opinion) - and that's why we never have terrorists attempting to blow up planes anymore, and there's no more training bases for al Quaeda, and no one want to join the evil terrorist groups anymore because they saw how the USA would put them into prisons.

Were you old enough to even know what happened during the 90's. Do you understand what ended the Gulf War and how Saddam Hussein violated that agreement? I suggest you grow up and actually get all the facts instead of cherrypicking what you think makes you look smart.

I guess I need to come to grips with liberal reality, Clinton was the best President in the history of the country until now of course and GW Bush was the the Devil. Thanks for your spin on the 90's and a re-write of what is going on in the world today. The Obama "apology tour" sure has paid dividends hasn't it?

 

[nonpareil]

Were you old enough to even know what happened during the 90's. Do you understand what ended the Gulf War and how Saddam Hussein violated that agreement? I suggest you grow up and actually get all the facts instead of cherrypicking what you think makes you look smart.

I guess I need to come to grips with liberal reality, Clinton was the best President in the history of the country until now of course and GW Bush was the the Devil. Thanks for your spin on the 90's and a re-write of what is going on in the world today. The Obama "apology tour" sure has paid dividends hasn't it?

No. I was born yesterday and today I read and write, viola. I know I'm a genius but what can I do? :shrug:

 

[Dittohead not!]

Read the resolution authorizing the invasion of Iraq before making dumb statements like the one above. Obviously you still want to debate the reasons for going to war in Iraq but what purpose does it serve. You aren't going to change my mind nor I yours.

9/11 happened and the world changed then. there is no way he could be allowed to remain in power with the potential to reconstitute his program even though the world thought he already had.

Oh, sure, the resolution was all about Saddam violating the peace agreement, and having WMD just waiting around to give to Al Qaeda, but the impetus for the invasion, or perhaps I should say the excuse for the invasion, was the attack of 9/11. The date was used as a mantra for the justification of the war so many times that it became embedded in the national psyche that the attack of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq were somehow connected. Talk about the war, mention 9/11, do it over and over, and pretty soon, the populace believes that the invasion was a result of the attack.

The truth, of course, is quite different.

 

[Dirty Harry]

Were you old enough to even know what happened during the 90's. Do you understand what ended the Gulf War and how Saddam Hussein violated that agreement? I suggest you grow up and actually get all the facts instead of cherrypicking what you think makes you look smart.

I guess I need to come to grips with liberal reality, Clinton was the best President in the history of the country until now of course and GW Bush was the the Devil. Thanks for your spin on the 90's and a re-write of what is going on in the world today. The Obama "apology tour" sure has paid dividends hasn't it?

Bush and Clinton were two of the worst presidents in the history of this country. The state of the world today is the result of electing those two boneheads president.

 

[Conservative]

No. I was born yesterday and today I read and write, viola. I know I'm a genius but what can I do? :shrug:

So the answer then is you weren't old enough to know what was going on then, thanks

 

[Conservative]

Bush and Clinton were two of the worst presidents in the history of this country. The state of the world today is the result of electing those two boneheads president.

You give the Presidents way too much credit or blame for the mess we are in today. Career Politicians in Congress working to keep their job instead of doing their job are to blame for the mess we are in right now and they are getting a lot of help from the empty suit in the WH who lacks the leadership skills to lead us out of this mess but sure takes a great picture and operates like a figurehead who accepts only credit and never responsibility.

 

[Dirty Harry]

You give the Presidents way too much credit or blame for the mess we are in today. Career Politicians in Congress working to keep their job instead of doing their job are to blame for the mess we are in right now and they are getting a lot of help from the empty suit in the WH who lacks the leadership skills to lead us out of this mess but sure takes a great picture and operates like a figurehead who accepts only credit and never responsibility.

The president is the most powerful man in the world. He is responsible for the direction this country takes. The buck stops there.

 

[nonpareil]

So the answer then is you weren't old enough to know what was going on then, thanks

I can't deny what's obvious - I don't know what is going on in your alternative universe, I'm only attuned to reality, so yeah you got me there. :2wave:

 

[Conservative]

The president is the most powerful man in the world. He is responsible for the direction this country takes. The buck stops there.

Yep, now tell that to Obama who is still blaming Bush.

 

[Dittohead not!]

The president is the most powerful man in the world. He is responsible for the direction this country takes. The buck stops there.

The US presidency doesn't have half of the power that the voters ascribe to it. other than being commander in chief, he can't do squat without the advice and consent of the Congress.

Clinton's supporters say he balanced the budget. Actually, he had a lot of help from Congress. Reagan's detractors point out the vast increase in the deficit under his administration, but it was the Congress that authorized the spending. Obama's enemies ascribe the growth of government to his administration, discounting both the role of the Congress and the actions of the previous administration.

Both the administrative and legislative branch can be checked by the judicial. That hasn't happened as often as it should, of course, but there is still that pesky Constitution to deal with.

None of the presidents have been either angels or demons. Much of what has been credited to them, both positive and negative, has actually been out of their control.

The presidency does come with what Roosevelt called the "bully pulpit", however. That is probably the biggest power they have.

 

[Conservative]

The US presidency doesn't have half of the power that the voters ascribe to it. other than being commander in chief, he can't do squat without the advice and consent of the Congress.

Clinton's supporters say he balanced the budget. Actually, he had a lot of help from Congress. Reagan's detractors point out the vast increase in the deficit under his administration, but it was the Congress that authorized the spending. Obama's enemies ascribe the growth of government to his administration, discounting both the role of the Congress and the actions of the previous administration.

Both the administrative and legislative branch can be checked by the judicial. That hasn't happened as often as it should, of course, but there is still that pesky Constitution to deal with.

None of the presidents have been either angels or demons. Much of what has been credited to them, both positive and negative, has actually been out of their control.

The presidency does come with what Roosevelt called the "bully pulpit", however. That is probably the biggest power they have.

The problem today is we have a Leftwing President, with a leftwing Congress implementing a radical leftwing political agenda which hasn't happened in decades and the American people are waking up. You do not go against "the will of the American people" which is what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are doing. Obama's power is much stronger with the current veto proof Congress in place.

 

[Dittohead not!]

The problem today is we have a Leftwing President, with a leftwing Congress implementing a radical leftwing political agenda which hasn't happened in decades and the American people are waking up. You do not go against "the will of the American people" which is what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are doing. Obama's power is much stronger with the current veto proof Congress in place.

Yes, we have a left of center government, if you subscribe to a left/right political model at all. However, how can you say that they are going against the will of the people? Who do you think put them in power in the first place?

They didn't present themselves as anything other than they are, did they?

 

[Conservative]

Yes, we have a left of center government, if you subscribe to a left/right political model at all. However, how can you say that they are going against the will of the people? Who do you think put them in power in the first place?

They didn't present themselves as anything other than they are, did they?

His race, 95 percent of the African Americans in this country voted for him with most not having a clue as to what his record was and that coupled with the anti Bush sentiment along with a very poor Republican elected an empty suit. Even with all that he only got 52% of the vote, a majority but hardly representative of a mandate. 15 million African Americans voted and 95% of them voted for Obama, you do the math.

 

[Boo Radley]

His race, 95 percent of the African Americans in this country voted for him with most not having a clue as to what his record was and that coupled with the anti Bush sentiment along with a very poor Republican elected an empty suit. Even with all that he only got 52% of the vote, a majority but hardly representative of a mandate. 15 million African Americans voted and 95% of them voted for Obama, you do the math.

Race along doesn't explain it. From Chisum (sp) to Jackson to Braum (sp) to Sharpton did not win.

 

[Conservative]

Race along doesn't explain it. From Chisum (sp) to Jackson to Braum (sp) to Sharpton did not win.

LOL, Jackson, Braum, and Sharpton didn't have the personality of Obama. He was a rock star and to some he can do no harm thus remains a rock star today.

 

[Boo Radley]

LOL, Jackson, Braum, and Sharpton didn't have the personality of Obama. He was a rock star and to some he can do no harm thus remains a rock star today.

Even so, that is more than race.

 

[Conservative]

Even so, that is more than race.

Your opinion, I disagree

 

[obvious Child]

The problem today is we have a Leftwing President

Who just happens to be following a great many policies of his Republican predecessor. Now, I think that Bush was a liberal, but do you?

with a leftwing Congress implementing a radical leftwing political agenda

You mean expansion of the socialist medical system? Just like how the Republicans did with their trillion dollar medical program? :2wave: Oh wait. Consistency dictates that we call them a leftwing Congress too!
And we are seeing a replay of Iraq in Afghanistan. And extreme spending as well. Well, I think that the Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same. But do you?

which hasn't happened in decades and the American people are waking up.

lol. 2001-2007. Check your dates.

You do not go against "the will of the American people" which is what Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are doing. Obama's power is much stronger with the current veto proof Congress in place.

You could say that. An increasing percentage want us out of Afghanistan. Congress is going against the will of the people there.

 

[EnigmaO01]

You wish, huh?, because you're probably in need of some vitamin D right right about now. Or at least you will be. Must be fun.

:rofl:rofl:rofl