DeSantis signs bill requiring Florida students, professors to register political views with state

[watsup]

Big Brother in action, Surely this can’t pass Constitutional muster.

 

[Torus34]

Oh, my!

The usual brouhaha and palaver. Soon this thread will degenerate into hurled imprecations.

This law will, in all probability, not take effect due to judicial stays until reviewed by the Supreme Court of the United States of America. This observer of the passing parade will put knowledge of it in my suspense file 'til then.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

[j brown's body]

Would/could this be considered extortion?

Its all part of the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution.

 

[TobyOne]

It was a long time ago, buddy.

Which university did you attend?

 

[dcsports]

It really sounds like many these posters have never been to college.

Very true. "Stop listening to news!" "You want evidence? Here's a partisan blog!" "Believe what the government tells you!" "Our politicians don't lie!" "Don't Audit! Don't ask questions!" "Don't survey to see if there's a problem!"

We need to get back to teaching that critical thinking, and a healthy skepticism, are good things.

 

[highroller]

It was a long time ago, buddy.

Maybe you should take a class somewhere?

There are many good community colleges in this country.

 

[TobyOne]

Not really.

Maybe you should take a class somewhere?

There are many good community colleges in this country.

 

[Plasmaball]

A page taken from the leftist playbook...

Hillary Clinton Maintains 2016 Election ‘Was Not On the Level’: ‘We Still Don’t Know What Really Happened’

Hillary Clinton is sticking with her conviction that the 2016 presidential election was not conducted legitimately, saying the details surrounding her loss are still unclear."There was a widespread understanding that this election [in 2016] was not on the level," Clinton said during an interview...

news.yahoo.com

BREAKING: Stacey Abrams maintains claim that the 2018 election was ‘stolen’

“It was stolen from the voters of Georgia,”Abrams said, we do not know what they would have done because not every eligible Georgian was permitted to participate fully in the election.”

thepostmillennial.com

Was the 2004 Election Stolen?: A Debate on Ohio One Year After Bush’s Victory

A year later, questions remain over the outcome of the Ohio election and whether George W. Bush fairly won the state and the presidency. We explore some of these questions with a debate between Mark Crispin Miller and Mark Hertsgaard. [includes rush transcript]

www.democracynow.org

Electronic Voting: The Stolen Election of 2004

Using a variety of criminal methods that they have perfected over the past four years, the George W. Bush-Dick Cheney-Karl Rove syndicate stole another election, and extended their illegal occupation of the White House. (Mentions peak oil.)

www.resilience.org

Of course I need not post anything about the "stolen" 2000 election...

I agree with Hillary. It wasn't done on the level. We know that now, but trump won "fairly". As in no votes where changed.

Yeah Stacey thinks there was issues..but didn't provide any evidence..it happens.


Other two are stupid.

See I can dismiss things...can you?

 

[Mr Person]

Where are you pulling these numbers from, besides your ass?

https://www.econlib.org/archives/2015/03/the_prevalence_1.html

A survey in the mid '00s:
- Sent to 2958 professors, with a response rate of 51%, or 1,471 professors responding; (p. 23)

-- more non-responders were conservatives (speculation as to why, p.23-24)​

- of those, study is restricted to full-time professors, 1,417 (p. 23)
- Self-description of politics was. (p26):



- Distribution amongst fields of the above @ p28




What's Grandpappy running with? 256 professors, in social sciences (which is where courses on Marxism and the like are clustered), across America. (p.40-41).

256 professors

They were asked how much they feel themselves described on a seven point scale, and the study-makers decided 18.1% of them answered in a way that qualifies as "Marxist". And 18.1% of 1417 is ... 256

And those 256 are clustered in an area that typically includes courses on Marxism and the like. It takes up about one page of the 71-page study. That's it. 256 professors. That's his "18% of professors"

 

[Cope]

I am misinformed?
Can you share some of this "wealth" of evidence?
Do you have actual experiences from college you could share?

So here I am at a small private school (SMU) in the very early 90's.

Pretty sure it was Advanced Calc II.
I am acing this class, all the people want me as a study buddy but I only wanted this one hot chic as my study buddy. Anyway, she eventually gets that I am acing this class so she finally asks me to be her study buddy.

Oh boy I am thinking!
So we go back to her place to study, she took great notes and while I wasn't much of a note taker, I listened in class and just grasped proofs so it was a match made in heaven right?
So I thought! Second or third test comes around and she snuggles up close to me in her desk 3 feet away and copies my test! To the T!

That next week in class the professor in his infinite wisdom decides to have the class put the proofs up on the board. By advanced cal II, you aren't looking for answers (it is the given), you just have to prove how it got to be the answer. Anyway.
So the whole class is at the different boards and he specifically singles me out (I grokked that he thought i was the cheater!) and I blow him away by providing the best proof in the history of proofs.

THEN!! Then.
The hot chic she comes over to me and licks my face, and starts unbuckling my pants, right there in class! And then!!!

Actually, nah that didn't happen in class, but boy let me tell you what, I really enjoyed playing Football at SMU.

 

[highroller]

Not really.

Well let me correct it then; there are many good community colleges in my area. I don’t know where you’re at in the world.

 

[highroller]

A survey in the mid '00s:
- Sent to 2958 professors, with a response rate of 51%, or 1,471 professors responding; (p. 23)

-- more non-responders were conservatives (speculation as to why, p.23-24)​

- of those, study is restricted to full-time professors, 1,417 (p. 23)
- Self-description of politics was. (p26):

View attachment 67339526

- Distribution amongst fields of the above @ p28




What's Grandpappy running with? 255 professors, in social sciences (which is where courses on Marxism and the like are clustered), across America. (p.40-41).

256 professors

They were asked how much they feel themselves described on a seven point scale, and the study-makers decided 18.1% of them answered in a way that qualifies as "Marxist". And 18.1% of 1417 is ... 256

And those 256 are clustered in an area that typically includes courses on Marxism and the like.

So the government needs to redistribute equity to conservatives with college professor?

 

[Plasmaball]

Maybe you should take a class somewhere?

There are many good community colleges in this country.

Always remind me of Ralph wigam.." I'm an expert"

 

[MTAtech]

Why would you continue to fund institutions where speech is stifled and counter opinions are not allowed? I don't want my tax dollars going to these types of institutions.

So, mandating teaching about “the evils of communism“ isn’t stifling speech?

It clearly is that they are going down the road of the Soviet Union and China, where there was official doctrine of legitimate dogma and everything else was banned.

 

[j brown's body]

"Is Scandinavia Really Socialist?" would be an interesting class.

 

[TobyOne]

You've got your laws mixed. Plus, saying something is evil isn't stifling anything.

So, mandating teaching about “the evils of communism“ isn’t stifling speech?

It clearly is that they are going down the road of the Soviet Union and China, where there was official doctrine of legitimate dogma and everything else was banned.

 

[highroller]

You've got your laws mixed. Plus, saying something is evil isn't stifling anything.

Mandating that something be taught as evil is stifling speech and the government can’t do that. It will be struck down by the courts. The Robert’s Court seems to have an absolutist view on free speech.

 

[watsup]

You've got your laws mixed. Plus, saying something is evil isn't stifling anything.

It is when it is mandated by law. That is Big Brother personified.

 

[Roadvirus]

New law will survey Florida students, professors on political views

Colleges could lose funding if survey of "ideas and perspectives" fails to satisfy state's GOP-run legislature

www.salon.com

So basically there a few things with this one.
DeSantis is using the arm of government to try to control colleges. Now he didn't say what the end result would be but they would be involved.

If you read further down we have barney bishop a lobbies for this bill saying he would like to see this further towards k through 12 because kids are being indoctrinated I guess and not being taught Christian values.

You know who else does this shit? The taliban.

Smaller government was a marketing strategy and nothing more

Salon.com lies it's ass off!

Read the bill. It's about demanding assessments of how colleges are allowing diversity of opinions and not shutting out one side in favor of another.

 

[TobyOne]

The media on this has been amazing. Amazingly bad. Its like a game of telephone where each iteration turns it more into some liberal cataclysm. The panty bunching is epic.

Read the bill.

Salon.com lies it's ass off!

Read the bill. It's about demanding assessments of how colleges are allowing diversity of opinions and not shutting out one side in favor of another.

 

[roguenuke]

The state could institute budget cuts whenever it wants, new law or not. Don't be dumb.

The law requires universities to conduct a survey of whether the students and faculty believe that competing ideas are being presented, and whether students and staff feel free to express their beliefs and viewpoints. If the survey comes back indicating that students and staff DON'T believe that competing ideas are being presented, or that they are being punished for expressing their beliefs and viewpoints, don't you think that's something that should be corrected?

No because students can and do lie and there is absolutely no penalty that can be given from this sort of survey for lying. They also could exaggerate.

 

[roguenuke]

You've got your laws mixed. Plus, saying something is evil isn't stifling anything.

Evil is subjective so a university teaching that something is "evil" particularly a political or economic system is in fact stifling free speech about those political/economic philosophies, even if most people think that those philosophies are wrong or not good.

 

[Irredentist]

Salon.com lies it's ass off!

Read the bill. It's about demanding assessments of how colleges are allowing diversity of opinions and not shutting out one side in favor of another.

These bills are nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to push conservative ideology.

Desantis is a hypocrite. He claims to want intellectual diversity, but he simultaneously demands that children be taught "communism is evil".

 

[Roadvirus]

These bills are nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to push conservative ideology.

Desantis is nothing but a hypocrite. He claims to want intellectual diversity, but he simultaneously demands that children be taught "communism is evil".

Communism is evil. Look at China's history under communism.

 

[Irredentist]

Communism is evil. Look at China's history under communism.

You're allowed to have an opinion. But you can't advocate for the suppression of opposing political views, while also claiming to want "intellectual diversity". Those are mutually exclusive goals.