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DeSantis: Florida will need help making ends meet

We should all donate some bootstraps to help Florida.
 
Chomsky said:
Besides Cuomo's bad call with the nursing homes, he did a pretty damn good job. But there was no reason for TX, FL, GA, AZ, and yes CA, to come out of the lock-down and mismanage it. Not when they saw what happened to us Northern cities early-on.
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Ducey started out well in AZ, but he seems to be addicted to kissing Trump's ass (despite never getting any advantage for it), so we opened 6 weeks too early.
 
trixare4kids said:
Democrat run states like NY and MI. aren't managing any better.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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I know Covid 19 has hurt our state ( Michigan ) budget especially when we are left finding PPE and paying for antibody tests , etc.

April 2,2020


Detroit is the first city in the country to begin using the kits from Abbott, a global health care company based in Lake County, Illinois, Mayor Mike Duggan has said.

The innovative testing kits will allow quarantined police officers and other first responders who test negative to return to work faster. Otherwise, they would have had to remain quarantined while waiting days for test results.

"This is the game changer we have been waiting for," Duggan said Thursday at his daily media briefing.

The city spent $377,049 on Abbott testing kits, instruments, control swabs and bar code readers, according to the city's purchase order dated March 29. The purchase order did not specify quantities for the equipment, but a Duggan spokesman said the city bought 5,000 kits.
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Detroit is first US city to get 15-minute coronavirus tests
 
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trixare4kids said:
Good news but your state is apparently going to have difficulty paying the 25% match, which is the subject of the thread; states having difficulty making ends meet. FL. ain't the only one...
See my link.

Thanks. :)
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Yes, Michigan would have a hard time paying an additional $100 a month to each of Our unemployed citizens.

From the following:

Michigan state revenues will take an unprecedented $3.2 billion hit this year as the state struggles through the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, state finance officials said Friday.

The decline presents an "enormous challenge" for the state budget, State Budget Director Chris Kolb said.

"To say the numbers we just saw are sobering is perhaps the understatement of my career," he said. "There's no playbook that is on the shelf to really address a loss of revenue of this size, this quickly."

Financial analysts forecast a $3.2 billion decline in combined general fund and school aid fund revenues in 2020.
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Michigan financial officials project $3.2B
coronavirus revenue drop
 
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Checkerboard Strangler said:
For as long as Republicans have held power in either chamber of Congress OR the White House, that is how THEY have played the game.
Words fail to describe just how much I want this year's hurricane, tornado and flood season to become an object lesson to red states WHY they should never allow Republicans to do this. It hasn't been nonpartisan since Gingrich.

They don't just PLAY the game, they do it openly, proudly and with a sense of impunity.
They desperately need to be forced to taste some of their own medicine in a way that guarantees they will never even consider doing it again...not to blue states, not to blue cities, not to any state, county, city, town or territory.

Sorry but every other method to discourage this cruel and sadistic nonsense has been tried.
It has come down to the fact that the only thing they understand is an eye for eye and a tooth for a tooth.
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My political memory only goes as gar back as Reagan but I remember the bitterness you describe back then too. Being a bit of a historian I have read about it as far back as jefferson and adams, #2 & #3.
You say you want it to go away but you advocate ramping it up to teach the other side a lesson. I understand where you are coming from because I standing on the other side feel the same way about progressives. I am so frustrated by the tone of the discourse from both sides that i am withdrawing from debate more and more and finding myself becoming an advocate for punishing the other side by forcing them to choke on their mistakes. Sound familiar?

What frustrates me the most is that I dont think there is more than a hill of beans dividing people snd we cant seem to find an amicable compromise between us. Its kinda sad.


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ElChupacabra said:
Well when you have Trump and others saying that help shouldn't go to states which have mismanaged their finances, how should one consider a state which didn't calculate what a pandemic surge would mean to their ability to fund mitigate it?
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Thats a really good question. This money grab thats going on (that is what it is from the politicians viewpoint) should not be used to fix finacial gaps that are unrelated to the virus. I have no objection for the state to submit cornovirus virus related bills and be compensated for them, red and blue alike.

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trouble13 said:
Thats a really good question. This money grab thats going on (that is what it is from the politicians viewpoint) should not be used to fix finacial gaps that are unrelated to the virus. I have no objection for the state to submit cornovirus virus related bills and be compensated for them, red and blue alike.

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Fair enough. The problem is the economic problems in each state are murky waters in that some of the shortfalls are due to lost tax revenue which are the result of the virus. So if some essential programs/services have been impacted due to the virus, that's the help that will be needed.
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (Politico) DeSantis: Florida will need help making ends meet

Hello, what's this? DeSantis' Covid mismanagement has put the state into debt? They can't pay the 25% unemployment match? And he will need emergency funds through next June?

Interesting stuff. I'm not sure what to make of it.
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I'll tell ya' what to make of it. It's another form of socialism that the right hates of course and unless they are the beneficiaries. If trump has drained the swamp how come there is still so much scum around?
 
Metric Mouse said:
I think you may want to look at the data and see if it confirms your thoughts. Florida has cut their daily number of new infections in half in the last month. California is working on new all time highs. Florida has a classic peak and massive fall- California is still climbing.

Just interesting to see if your thoughts change after reviewing the data . (I use worldometer for their excellent graph charts)
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My question wasn't concerning the numbers, but assigning blame. Maybe Newsom should enforce tougher. But I have people in California, and they and their friends just seem to have that stereotyped laid-back 'not care' attitude. It seems like a state of mind, with them.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Fair enough. The problem is the economic problems in each state are murky waters in that some of the shortfalls are due to lost tax revenue which are the result of the virus. So if some essential programs/services have been impacted due to the virus, that's the help that will be needed.
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I agree thr murky nature of eberything complivates everything. Im sorta neutral on this one

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Greenbeard said:
Good, the more red state governors start making waves about their budgets tanking, the sooner we can get the stimulus passed.
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Bold of you to assume that making anything better is a goal here

Things need to get bad enough that we're willing to say "**** it" about the election

Maybe there's some other reasonable explanation for delaying actions to prevent all that's coming.
dik
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Depends....down in Orange County, like San Clemente or Huntington Beach, yep...not only no masks but open hostility and loud references to CT's about the virus.
Go about fifteen miles up North to Venice Beach and there were plenty of masks.
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I am down in Orange County, but more of a business area, and pretty much everyone has a mask on. It probably helps that a ton of the people around here can afford to work from home as well. But as soon as you get near the beaches, forget about it.
 
Chomsky said:
My question wasn't concerning the numbers, but assigning blame. Maybe Newsom should enforce tougher. But I have people in California, and they and their friends just seem to have that stereotyped laid-back 'not care' attitude. It seems like a state of mind, with them.
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It is possible that Florida takes Covid 19 much more seriously at this point in time than California does. The numbers would support that. Perhaps it is the governors in the respective states, or perhaps it is, as you mentioned, the people who reside there. Maybe a mix of both. It is an interesting question.
 
trouble13 said:
My political memory only goes as gar back as Reagan but I remember the bitterness you describe back then too. Being a bit of a historian I have read about it as far back as jefferson and adams, #2 & #3.
You say you want it to go away but you advocate ramping it up to teach the other side a lesson. I understand where you are coming from because I standing on the other side feel the same way about progressives. I am so frustrated by the tone of the discourse from both sides that i am withdrawing from debate more and more and finding myself becoming an advocate for punishing the other side by forcing them to choke on their mistakes. Sound familiar?

What frustrates me the most is that I dont think there is more than a hill of beans dividing people snd we cant seem to find an amicable compromise between us. Its kinda sad.


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The difference isn't between what people want. as you point out, the difference is how people treat each other. Look at your response versus Checkerboard's: one drawing people together to find common ground and understanding, and another wishing a natural disaster on people.

I agree it is frustrating, but know that being kind and understanding is always the right path, no matter how awful other people act.
 
Metric Mouse said:
I think you may want to look at the data and see if it confirms your thoughts. Florida has cut their daily number of new infections in half in the last month. California is working on new all time highs. Florida has a classic peak and massive fall- California is still climbing.

Just interesting to see if your thoughts change after reviewing the data . (I use worldometer for their excellent graph charts)
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Florida reports 7,000 new coronavirus cases as rate on infections dips

"Massive fall"? Not even close; a welcome slight dip is about all it is, and certainly not enough to be a trend.
 
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ajn678 said:
I am down in Orange County, but more of a business area, and pretty much everyone has a mask on. It probably helps that a ton of the people around here can afford to work from home as well. But as soon as you get near the beaches, forget about it.
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I'm right next to you Whittier/Pico Rivera...maybe fifteen minutes NE. :thumbs:
 
Chomsky said:
Source: (Politico) DeSantis: Florida will need help making ends meet

Hello, what's this? DeSantis' Covid mismanagement has put the state into debt? They can't pay the 25% unemployment match? And he will need emergency funds through next June?

Interesting stuff. I'm not sure what to make of it.
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Yeah, what happened to his state budget? Looks like taxpayers need to bailout a red state. DeSantis has been an epic moron on managing this situation.
 
Metric Mouse said:
It is possible that Florida takes Covid 19 much more seriously at this point in time than California does. The numbers would support that. Perhaps it is the governors in the respective states, or perhaps it is, as you mentioned, the people who reside there. Maybe a mix of both. It is an interesting question.
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I'm not sure the numbers do support that. On a per capita basis CA is lower on every level - deaths per million, cases per million, and cases per day per million as we speak. And with nearly twice the population, nominal deaths per day are lower in CA than FL as we speak.

What we can say is Florida has done a decent job of reducing cases per day from truly catastrophic levels to where they are now, which are high but at least trending in the right direction. CA hasn't managed to bring their trends, starting from a much lower point, down further, and are trending in the wrong direction at the moment. It's hard to compare those trends and conclude one state is managing it better AT THIS POINT than the other.
 
Metric Mouse said:
The difference isn't between what people want. as you point out, the difference is how people treat each other. Look at your response versus Checkerboard's: one drawing people together to find common ground and understanding, and another wishing a natural disaster on people.

I agree it is frustrating, but know that being kind and understanding is always the right path, no matter how awful other people act.
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OK, and in Congress, the House has passed funding that would send aid to ALL the states and would fund ALL the unemployment benefits in FL and every other state. That's how Democrats are "acting."

How is the GOP "acting?" Blocking all that, because the Senate can't agree among itself and the WH to pass anything at all, so the GOP is "acting" to say to heck with the states, we don't care about you, and they're saying that to all the states.

So that's where the frustration is coming from. If DeSantis needs some money, he knows who to call. His Dear Leader Trump, and his state's GOP Senators, Scott and Rubio - get them to get off their incompetent, lazy asses and get a bill done that will fund Florida and everywhere else. The House has done its job, now it's the GOP's turn to do theirs.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I'm right next to you Whittier/Pico Rivera...maybe fifteen minutes NE. :thumbs:
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Very cool. Just moved here last year. Can't wait to be able to explore the area once the virus settles down. Guess I picked a bad time to move to one of the most expensive areas of the country... :lamo :doh
 
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