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Dennis Hastert gets 15 months in prison in hush money case

Not really. That fallacy starts from the premise that two events occurred in sequential order, and (erroneously) assumes a casual relationship. Speculation about the sequential order itself is therefore not post hoc ergo propter hoc, although it may be otherwise problematic (or it may be sound).

I would consider someone having stopped without getting caught or otherwise rendered unable to be indicative of contrition.

I would tend to agree, unless someone can provide a supposition which has more merit.

Having said that, what makes this guy special that he draws so much wrath? Throughout the US and Canada priests continue to hide behind their collars amid an absolute carnage of ruin. If there is to be justice in this life [God will, I am sure have something for them], then some of these preacher dirt bags need to do some serious time.
 
We all know that predators do not stop, they cant, unless they are on meds and in therapy they will continue to prey on children. So few child predators opt for the meds and therapy, unsure why, there are folks that are trying to control the urge, but so few will submit to the therapy, and its usually after they have committed an offense. Those that do opt for medical help know its wrong and our attempting to keep themselves from offending, those that do not and offend deserve the maximum punishment allowed by the law.

No, we dont "all know":

First, the notion that recidivism (repeat offending) is inevitable needs a second look. Recently sex crimes researcher Jill Levenson of Lynn University in Florida and her colleagues found that the average member of the general public believes that 75 percent of sex offenders will reoffend. This perception is consistent with media portrayals in such television programs as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, in which sex offenders are almost always portrayed as chronic repeaters.
The evidence suggests otherwise. Sex crimes researchers R. Karl Hanson and Kelly E. Morton-Bourgon of Public Safety Canada conducted a large-scale meta-analysis (quantitative review) of recidivism rates among adult sex offenders. They found a rate of 14 percent over a period averaging five to six years. Recidivism rates increased over time, reaching 24 percent by 15 years. The figures are clearly out of alignment with the public’s more dire expectations.
Once a Sex Offender, Always a Sex Offender? Maybe not. - Scientific American

HAL ARKOWITZ and SCOTT O. LILIENFELD serve on the board of advisers for Scientific American Mind. Arkowitz is a psychology professor at the University of Arizona. Lilienfeld is a psychology professor at Emory University
 
One more fine example of a 'conservative' preaching one action all the while they are guilty of what they speak against

Hastert Urged Life Sentences for Repeat Child Molesters

The prosecution of former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert has revealed a contradiction between his support of child safety and anti-abuse legislation and the alleged engagement in sexual misconduct with a minor.

The longtime Illinois congressman promoted child abuse-prevention legislation in Congress. In 2003, Hastert said he supported "a national notification system to help safely recover children kidnapped by child predators."

Hastert has pleaded guilty to violating banking law as he sought to pay someone $3.5 million to keep silent about past misconduct. Prosecutors say Hastert sexually abused the person and three other juveniles in the 1970s while he was a high school wrestling coach.

Prosecutors say statues of limitations prevented them from filing charges for those incidents.
 
No, we dont "all know":


Once a Sex Offender, Always a Sex Offender? Maybe not. - Scientific American

HAL ARKOWITZ and SCOTT O. LILIENFELD serve on the board of advisers for Scientific American Mind. Arkowitz is a psychology professor at the University of Arizona. Lilienfeld is a psychology professor at Emory University

"Sex offenders" are not always pedophiles. Their criminal acts are most often with non-consenting adults - not with children. Pedophilia is a mental condition.

Pedophilia a treatable, not curable, condition, experts say

Pedophilia isn't curable, experts say, but treatment can help most pedophiles control their sexual urges toward children.

"As with most psychopathology, the issue is not a cure, but management," said David Ingle, a psychologist and director of adult programs at Joseph J. Peters Institute in Philadelphia, which treats sex offenders and victims.

"If someone is considered a pedophile, it's a large part of that person's character structure," he said.

Therapy, he said, generally can't stop people from having the desire to molest children, he said, but it can help them to avoid acting on it.

There are three major types of pedophiles, Ingle said: Intimate, aggressive, and opportunistic criminal pedophiles.
 
i'm a little dumbfounded as to what to think about this:

"Also this week, the primary accuser in the case, who received $1.7 million from Hastert over four years according to an FBI investigation, sued Hastert to receive the remaining $1.8 million he was promised. "
 
They should have given him the death penalty.

then he would've killed the kid instead, do you not think thru what the morally bankrupt will do to avoid a punishment such as that?
 
No, we dont "all know":


Once a Sex Offender, Always a Sex Offender? Maybe not. - Scientific American

HAL ARKOWITZ and SCOTT O. LILIENFELD serve on the board of advisers for Scientific American Mind. Arkowitz is a psychology professor at the University of Arizona. Lilienfeld is a psychology professor at Emory University

BS Cherry pick much to support your oh so incorrect theory?

If you are sure the pervert did it only once, let him babysit some of your underage family

You may want to read this, and when your done I got lots more scholarly sources to prove you wrong, so bring it on:

How Likely Are Sex Offenders to Repeat Their Crimes? - The Numbers - WSJ

this report indicates that the offender is 4 times more likely to re offend, and those are the perverts we KNOW about, most of these crimes are not reported, and that is a fact

Bureau of Justice Statistics Press Release: Recidivism of Sex Offenders Released from Prison in 1994
 
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And people are more afraid of a transgender in a public bathroom than this clown sharing your bathroom.....
 
One more fine example of a 'conservative' preaching one action all the while they are guilty of what they speak against

As opposed to liberals who have no standards whatsoever. And just what would you expect Hasterts position on this issue to be?
 
As opposed to liberals who have no standards whatsoever. And just what would you expect Hasterts position on this issue to be?

No need to make it political when the fat old pervert goes around feeling up young boys, I do not care what your political leanings are, not everything is political, especially when children are involved. Cheap shots are just that, cheap.
 
And people are more afraid of a transgender in a public bathroom than this clown sharing your bathroom.....

Predators can appear to be normal folks, sociopaths often look like people you can talk to - normal in other words

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Lisa Biron, N.H. lawyer with ties to conservative Christian group, arrested on child pornography charges

(CBS/AP) CONCORD, N.H. - Lisa Biron, a New Hampshire lawyer associated with coalition of Christian lawyers, was arrested on federal child pornography charges after investigators say she took a teenager to Canada where she allegedly convinced the girl to engage in sexual activity and let it be filmed, reports the Concord Monitor.
Biron, 43, was arrested by FBI agents on Nov. 16 and charged with seven counts of child exploitation, including transporting a child for illegal sexual conduct. She was also charged with manufacturing and possessing child pornography
 
BS Cherry pick much to support your oh so incorrect theory?

If you are sure the pervert did it only once, let him babysit some of your underage family

You may want to read this, and when your done I got lots more scholarly sources to prove you wrong, so bring it on:

How Likely Are Sex Offenders to Repeat Their Crimes? - The Numbers - WSJ

this report indicates that the offender is 4 times more likely to re offend, and those are the perverts we KNOW about, most of these crimes are not reported, and that is a fact

Bureau of Justice Statistics Press Release: Recidivism of Sex Offenders Released from Prison in 1994

I know how to do research, and this is an area that I have been paying attention to, as my wife and girls have been victimized by sexual offenders. One killed himself, the other was charged and convicted, with me making the first call to the police.


Care to explain the clear anger? Facts are facts, you getting mad will not change anything.
 
I know how to do research, and this is an area that I have been paying attention to, as my wife and girls have been victimized by sexual offenders. One killed himself, the other was charged and convicted, with me making the first call to the police.


Care to explain the clear anger? Facts are facts, you getting made will not change anything.

No I do not need to explain, the guy that got me was a serial offender, and guess what, he is still out there, at least you got the guy who attacked your family. The MAJORITY of these crimes are not reported, so the numbers in all these reports are more than likely on the LOW side. I will stand by my original statement, guys like Hastert are serial offenders, and they will keep doing it until they are taken off the streets. Do not judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoes ok
 
then he would've killed the kid instead, do you not think thru what the morally bankrupt will do to avoid a punishment such as that?

That's a lame argument against the death penalty.
 
I wish that were true. They have protective custody in prisons today.

Yes, have a feeling he will be going to they type of prison Martha Stewart went to. There are some prisons here in the US that he wouldn't survive.
 
Yes, have a feeling he will be going to they type of prison Martha Stewart went to. There are some prisons here in the US that he wouldn't survive.

He isn't going to, "pound me in the ass", prison. That's for sure.
 
No I do not need to explain, the guy that got me was a serial offender, and guess what, he is still out there, at least you got the guy who attacked your family. The MAJORITY of these crimes are not reported, so the numbers in all these reports are more than likely on the LOW side. I will stand by my original statement, guys like Hastert are serial offenders, and they will keep doing it until they are taken off the streets. Do not judge me until you have walked a mile in my shoes ok

I did not judge you, I did not indicate that I was likely to judge you, I asked from where your anger comes. Which is an important thing to know in a thread such as this, a subject where emotion and fantasy tend to rule the day rather than the truth of the nature of the universe.
 
Yes, have a feeling he will be going to they type of prison Martha Stewart went to. There are some prisons here in the US that he wouldn't survive.

Hey I'm with you. When all else fails, prison justice usually comes through for us, but they've been changing that. "the General population" is the best kind of justice there is.

But, what's Hastert gonna have when he gets out? Pension? nope. Job? (chuckle) no. Family? not likely. He's gonna face a short walk on the pier's what's gonna happen. Some will get to him in prison though, not because of what he did, but because of who he is...
 
Hey I'm with you. When all else fails, prison justice usually comes through for us, but they've been changing that. "the General population" is the best kind of justice there is.

But, what's Hastert gonna have when he gets out? Pension? nope. Job? (chuckle) no. Family? not likely. He's gonna face a short walk on the pier's what's gonna happen. Some will get to him in prison though, not because of what he did, but because of who he is...

I believe Martha went to a low security facility, her crime was white collar, unsure were they will send the pervert, no way should he get any special treatment due to his previous status, he forfeited that when he put his hands on an underage boy.

Will they take away his congressional pension?

I believe in prison hierarchy child molesters are on the bottom, karma is a bitch.
 
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Then you have no understanding of what an abused person goes thru.

That is irrelevant to your assertion that he continued to commit these crimes.

This is not about proving a negative.

That is what you asked of me.

I would tend to agree, unless someone can provide a supposition which has more merit.

Having said that, what makes this guy special that he draws so much wrath?

Probably the fact that he managed to attain high political office.

Throughout the US and Canada priests continue to hide behind their collars amid an absolute carnage of ruin. If there is to be justice in this life [God will, I am sure have something for them], then some of these preacher dirt bags need to do some serious time.

Priests commit these crimes at lower rates than any other profession that has access to children, including ministers of other religions.
 
I believe Martha went to a low security facility, unsure were they will send the pervert, no way should he get any special treatment due to his previous status, he forfeited that when he put his hands on an underage boy.

Will they take away his congressional pension?

I believe in prison hierarchy child molesters are on the bottom, karma is a bitch.

Words of wisdom Lloyd; words - of - wisdom...
 
Hypocrisy

More liberal brilliance I see. Tell me, is this supposed hypocrisy worse somehow than the original offense? Clearly it isn't, so what is your point?
 
Imagine that, a rich white guy gets off with a very lienient sentencing.

as opposed to that rich black guy OJ Simpson? any prison time for a diddler is not an easy sentence
 
Right. So if you're asserting the existence of an independent moral duty to do so, you'll need to justify that assertion logically.

I did. You just do not like my response.
You seem to lack the empathy to understand that after the physical abuse has stopped that the mental anguish carries on. The example I gave you had a woman emotionally tormented years after the abuse had stopped. When she came forward she was met with anger and distrust. Over twenty years after the abuse she felt like her life was her own. It took the "perp" to acknowledge his abuse and give credence to her claims to start the healing. She spent years in therapy and group...and her story was echoed time and time again.

If you do a bit of research you will find this to be an oft repeated tale.
 
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