Dems Stop Crying About the Tea Party

[Redress]

Lol. Come on Redress. You know that's not going to happen. I'm just stating that, in regards to this particular issue, I'm tired of hearing about it. The HOJ's of the world are posting what seems to be a thread an hour about this stuff and no one seemed to be posting anything to rebut it.

Well then this is the wrong site for you. Just as I am tired of being called a socialist every day, it is the nature of debate on a site like this. When congressmen who identify with and are supported by he Tea Party are doing things seens as destructive to the country, people are going to, surprise, complain about them. I did not see you complaining about dems being called socialists in this thread, so your selective outrage is noted.

 

[Papa bull]

Well then this is the wrong site for you. Just as I am tired of being called a socialist every day, it is the nature of debate on a site like this. When congressmen who identify with and are supported by he Tea Party are doing things seens as destructive to the country, people are going to, surprise, complain about them. I did not see you complaining about dems being called socialists in this thread, so your selective outrage is noted.

Not for nuthin' but since democrats invariably support more socialism, what isn't entirely appropriate about democrats being properly identified as socialists? Am I to understand that you are a democrat that doesn't support all the socialist entitlement Nanny State philosophy that is the backbone of the democrat platform?

 

[MarineTpartier]

Well then this is the wrong site for you. Just as I am tired of being called a socialist every day, it is the nature of debate on a site like this. When congressmen who identify with and are supported by he Tea Party are doing things seens as destructive to the country, people are going to, surprise, complain about them. I did not see you complaining about dems being called socialists in this thread, so your selective outrage is noted.

Maybe its the wrong one for you Redress. Because just like someone can go about calling people socialist, tea bagger, or anything else, I can rebuke it just the same. Correct? It is the nature of debate on a site like this........Also, I've never been called a socialist so I don't address it. I'm not going to go around all Batman style defending every Tom, Dick, and Democrat on this site. I'll defend what applies to me. This isn't a team sport.

 

[MarineTpartier]

The OP mentioned that the Tea Party had spread to California. You what happened after they took over the local Republican party? The alienated voters so badly, that democrats now literally control the entire state legislature and governorship with a 2/3 majority in both houses. The Republicans have literally no influence at the state level, they can't even filibuster.

The democrats are thrilled that the tea party is handing them elections and destroying the Republican brand. You see the liberal partisan hacks crowing about it all the time on this forum. I'm an independent, I really don't want one party rule from anyone. I want sensible candidates from parties so I can legitimately pick the most capable. I"m sick of voting for democratic candidates that I don't even like because their Republican opposition is simply nuts.

Well, this article directly refutes your already unsubstantiated claim. California started shifting left in the early 90's and it wasn't due to the TP. It was due to their shifting demographics and the GOP's failure to recognize that and adjust. It had nothing to do with the TP.
What Democrats' California Conquest Means for Republicans Nationwide | TIME.com

 

[Redress]

Maybe its the wrong one for you Redress. Because just like someone can go about calling people socialist, tea bagger, or anything else, I can rebuke it just the same. Correct? It is the nature of debate on a site like this........Also, I've never been called a socialist so I don't address it. I'm not going to go around all Batman style defending every Tom, Dick, and Democrat on this site. I'll defend what applies to me. This isn't a team sport.

And you are missing the point. I am not saying people cannot call others what they choose, I am pointing out how you are trying to say "don't call us names, only we can call others names". In part it is one of those things that makes Tea Partiers so hilariously ineffective, they keep saying stuff to look silly.

 

[MarineTpartier]

And you are missing the point. I am not saying people cannot call others what they choose, I am pointing out how you are trying to say "don't call us names, only we can call others names". In part it is one of those things that makes Tea Partiers so hilariously ineffective, they keep saying stuff to look silly.

I didn't say don't call us names. I simply said place blame for this particular shutdown where it belongs. On both sides. Further, I never called anyone a name. Unless you consider me calling Democrats: Dems, Liberals, or Democrats name calling. You know as well as I do that I'm not a guy who engages in name calling.

 

[BMCM]

There it is... the nanny state mentality. The government's job is not to wipe the nose and change the diapers for people. It's there to run the country and provide a framework of law that empowers us to engage in trade and pursue happiness. It's not there to "care for you". You are supposed to care for yourself. Your friends and relatives are supposed to care for you. The government was not meant to be nor should be our "caregiver".

That's the big problem with single visioned people. They're unable to see any other meaning to words then what they've been programed to see. Unable to think for themselves.
If a storm or other disaster strikes a City, it falls on the rest of the country to care for those people. The GOP has proven they really don't care. Just look how they treated Cristie when he said something good about Obama and the aid his cities got. They simply hate to help anyone in America but will bend over backwards to send Billions to other countries.

 

[Velvet Elvis]

That's the big problem with single visioned people. They're unable to see any other meaning to words then what they've been programed to see. Unable to think for themselves.

You've just described some of the most left-leaning moonbats on this forum.

If a storm or other disaster strikes a City, it falls on the rest of the country to care for those people.

Why?

The GOP has proven they really don't care.

No. They just don't want to be forced to care, with the proverbial gun to the head.

They simply hate to help anyone in America but will bend over backwards to send Billions to other countries.

Oh, you mean like 0bama has?

 

[Mason66]

The Senate and the Executive branch are two thirds of the government. It is not the American way to let a minority fascist faction in one party of the house hold the entire country hostage until their demands are met. If you really believed in America you wouldn't be taking it from a super power and turning it into a banana republic.

You are repeating the exact words we Heard from Harry Reid on the night of the 30th.

I don't think that is a coincidence.

Do you have any thoughts of your own?

 

[BMCM]

You've just described some of the most left-leaning moonbats on this forum.

No. They just don't want to be forced to care, with the proverbial gun to the head.

Oh, you mean like 0bama has?

You're absolutely correct, there are some very single visioned people on the left.

You help and care for people simply because they are Americans. Doesn't matter their political,religious,race,age, or sexual lean.

To me "Forced" is just another way of saying, " I'm not strong enough to stand firm on my beliefs"

Yes, there has been way to much needless spending across the board by both parties. You need to remember that Congress controls the purse strings. So every penny that Obama and every president before and after him spends. It all has to be approved by Congress, as per the Constitution.

 

[Campbell]

I am so sick of hearing the Tea Party this, the Tea Party that. Look in the mirror. This thing isn't partisan by any stretch. Blame goes both ways. The Senate wasn't even in their chambers until the late in the afternoon of shutdown day. They refuse to even vote on things placed in front of them. The Dems have repeatedly shot down any attempt by the House to negotiate. The House has even tried to piecemeal things over to fund portions of the gov't. The Dems have taken the stance of all or nothing. There is give and take that could occur on both sides. However, despite what many liberals on this website would have us believe, it isn't just one side.

In case some of you forgot, the Dems (and some RINOs) created this entire climate. Why is the Tea Party even there? Why did they all of a sudden become popular? They existed way before Pres Obama was elected to POTUS so you can't use racism or some other off base reason for it. It's because your party took what was an already out of control, fiscally irresponsible gov't to a new level of irresponsibility. The people spoke. You got your 2 years of spend, spend, spend. You got your bogus healthcare law that your top leaders (Pelosi) admit they didn't even read. You got everything you wanted. Now, you're paying the piper. The American people, particularly the most conservative of us, had already been jaded by Bush. He spoke of small gov't. He spoke of peace. He didn't deliver. Then, we got Hope and Change. Nothing changed (except for the deficit/debt at massive levels and drone strikes) and hope decreased. That was 2008. In 2010, at the first opportunity for the people to speak, they spoke in droves. The Tea Party swept in due to the irresponsibility of the Democrats. They lost their majority in the House. Why? Because the people were tired of it. They got 2 years of an Obama gov't and didn't like it. This is how our gov't was built to work. That all people could be represented. Not just massive population centers like NYC or LA. All parts of the country can have a say whether rural and southern or urban and northern. The Tea Party has spread now to 36 states. It isn't just some redneck movement that some of you think it is. Yes, even California has a Tea Partier. Deal with it guys. Its the way it is. It's the counter liberal agenda. You had your turn.

That's a perfect example of what's going on now. Hard headed extreme right wing pricks which haven't stood for anything except tax breaks for the wealthy for decades. The T party dick heads who come from gerrymandered voting districts where they have no opposition except another Republican in the primary are feeling their oats and it's they who have taken a position over one law they don't like and they will pay at some point. The majority of American people will take care of it once they get a chance. Let's see.....the Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections and **** like this is the reason.

 

[AlabamaPaul]

That's a perfect example of what's going on now. Hard headed extreme right wing pricks which haven't stood for anything except tax breaks for the wealthy for decades. The T party dick heads who come from gerrymandered voting districts where they have no opposition except another Republican in the primary are feeling their oats and it's they who have taken a position over one law they don't like and they will pay at some point. The majority of American people will take care of it once they get a chance. Let's see.....the Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections and **** like this is the reason.

How do you explain the flip of the House in 2010 when the districts were the same as in 2006 and 2008? Districts have been gerrymandered for decades. It's nothing new...

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

The Senate and the Executive branch are two thirds of the government. It is not the American way to let a minority fascist faction in one party of the house hold the entire country hostage until their demands are met. If you really believed in America you wouldn't be taking it from a super power and turning it into a banana republic.

See, per usual, you have it completely wrong, it is the patriotic real Americans playing hardball with the two Commie breached branches that have hoodwinked the American public with the assistance of their Commie friends in the mainstream media...

...and how could a minority faction do in the future what Obama and friends have already done, taken us to banana republic status, Obama being only a Chavez wannabe...maybe he should learn some Spanish and change countries again...what'a ya think? I mean, I think there is somewhat of an opening down there, appears to be plenty of oil money to be squandered...and no patriotic Americans there in a position to keep him cornered.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

To me "Forced" is just another way of saying, " I'm not strong enough to stand firm on my beliefs"

Yes, there has been way to much needless spending across the board by both parties. You need to remember that Congress controls the purse strings. So every penny that Obama and every president before and after him spends. It all has to be approved by Congress, as per the Constitution.

So, based on those statements...you agree with the Republicans taking a strong stance on all this spending and they should not be weak in pushing for what they know, and we agree that there has been too much spending on both sides, is right...right?

 

[Velvet Elvis]

Hard headed extreme right wing pricks
T party dick heads

What's it like to hate like this? To try so very hard to say the worst things possible. Seriously, what does that do for you?

 

[MarineTpartier]

That's a perfect example of what's going on now. Hard headed extreme right wing pricks which haven't stood for anything except tax breaks for the wealthy for decades. The T party dick heads who come from gerrymandered voting districts where they have no opposition except another Republican in the primary are feeling their oats and it's they who have taken a position over one law they don't like and they will pay at some point. The majority of American people will take care of it once they get a chance. Let's see.....the Democrats have won the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections and **** like this is the reason.

Yada Yada Yada. I've been hearing that forever. "Wait until the next election". The TP loses no seats, they gain some in the Senate. The TP members are doing exactly what their constituency elected them to do. Why would they be kicked out? Oh, and by the way, popular vote doesn't win an election.

 

[BMCM]

So, based on those statements...you agree with the Republicans taking a strong stance on all this spending and they should not be weak in pushing for what they know, and we agree that there has been too much spending on both sides, is right...right?

Sure they should stand for what they believe. They need to take responsibility for their failures and stop blaming everyone when they don't get their way. If they believe strong enough to watch the Country to default, then that's what they should do. Just be ready for any backlash that could come their way.

 

[winston53660]

The Unthinking Left

Why should we cave to your socialist agenda..

There it is... the nanny state mentality.

Not for nuthin' but since democrats invariably support more socialism, what isn't entirely appropriate about democrats being properly identified as socialists? Am I to understand that you are a democrat that doesn't support all the socialist entitlement Nanny State philosophy that is the backbone of the democrat platform?

The T party dick heads

See, per usual, you have it completely wrong, it is the patriotic real Americans playing hardball with the two Commie breached branches that have hoodwinked the American public with the assistance of their Commie friends in the mainstream media...

I think some people missed the point of this thread.

BTW not one of came from M.teapartier.

 

[cpwill]

Did the Dems shut down the government until the Bush and the Repubs agreed not to attack Iraq?

No, although they did as I recall threaten to. That being said, if you want to go to Democrat led government shutdowns, you'll probably have to go back to the 8 or so launched by Tip O'Neill back during the Reagan era.

But the question was one of a party being captured by it's extremes - and the idea that the Democrat party was not captured by the anti-war/anti-bush nutjobbery simply isn't tenable.

The Dems agreed to negotiate on the budget, but the Repubs have refused to do it for six months.

I believe you are confusing House Democrats with Senate Democrats. It is Senate Democrats that need to try to come negotiate a budget. As you pointed out, they did pass their own version. Now they have to be willing to sit down with the House and negotiate between them.

Both sides agree the debt ceiling needs to be raised....so what is there to negotiate?

How to pay for it. What are we going to cut, put off, reduce, etc., in order to pay for even part of this increased debt?

But you are tying together the debt ceiling with the continuing resolution; two things that are (as of yet, at least) distinct. Right now, Democrats want a continuing resolution in place of a budget. Okay, if Democrats want a budget in the form of a CR, let's negotiate over it. Exactly like you want them to negotiate over a budget.

Look at it this way.....

Suppose a democrat controlled congress refused to fund the entire government and let it shut down unless a Republican president and senate agreed to their terms on gun control. Who do you think the country would blame for that?

"House of Representatives" =/= "Congress", though that's a neat (okay, rather blatant) verbal slight of hand.

In that case I would think that gun control was not a spending item, and that therefore it was incorrect to try to debate non-spending items in a spending debate. This is a spending debate - how are we to fund the government. Republicans are not to be blamed if they want to - you know - actually negotiate how we are to fund the government.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Sure they should stand for what they believe. They need to take responsibility for their failures and stop blaming everyone when they don't get their way. If they believe strong enough to watch the Country to default, then that's what they should do. Just be ready for any backlash that could come their way.

Why should the blame only go on the Republicans? Why should any blame at all go to the Republicans?

They have been willing to talk, to negotiate, have sent bills over to the the Senate...the Senate Dem "leader" who says, as does the president, explicitly said they will not negotiate...so whose fault is it really if the the Republicans are willing to fund the government in all areas besides Obamacare, that the Republicans are attempting to deal with reality and impose some sort of fiscal restraint where there has been absolutely none, and where we know that continuing in this manner is beyond unsustainable... in an attempt to force folks on the other side to be adults in this manner...perhaps is just what is needed.

Delaying, thus making the fall downwards steeper, harder, the coming collapse of our country is nothing to celebrate...is it?

And again, if the President and the Dems in the Senate don't get their way, all or nothing, how is that the Republican's fault if they don't give in to such an inflexible stance? How is that the Republicans fault at all, eh?

 

[Moot]

Why should the blame only go on the Republicans? Why should any blame at all go to the Republicans?

Um, because the Republicans planned and caused the shut down?

Shhh, here's Mitch and Rand strategizing their talking points....

Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul caught on hot mic - Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

Gosh, they sound just like your talking points....

They have been willing to talk, to negotiate, have sent bills over to the the Senate...the Senate Dem "leader" who says, as does the president, explicitly said they will not negotiate...so whose fault is it really if the the Republicans are willing to fund the government in all areas besides Obamacare, that the Republicans are attempting to deal with reality and impose some sort of fiscal restraint where there has been absolutely none, and where we know that continuing in this manner is beyond unsustainable... in an attempt to force folks on the other side to be adults in this manner...perhaps is just what is needed.

Delaying, thus making the fall downwards steeper, harder, the coming collapse of our country is nothing to celebrate...is it?

And again, if the President and the Dems in the Senate don't get their way, all or nothing, how is that the Republican's fault if they don't give in to such an inflexible stance? How is that the Republicans fault at all, eh?

Revisionism in action.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

Um, because the Republicans planned and caused the shut down?

Shhh, here's Mitch and Rand strategizing their talking points....

Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul caught on hot mic - Burgess Everett - POLITICO.com

Gosh, they sound just like your talking points....


Revisionism in action.

Smart and cogent strategy by the Republicans, stupid silly donkey stategy by the Prez and Harry...that really is all there is to it, well except that your folks now have to own it. :lamo

Nothing revisionist about it either, its how it went down, how it is still going down and the fact that you cannot see it, well, that would be the blindness we spoke of earlier, remember? Let me just ask...1. Has the president said he will not negotiate? 2. Has Harry Reid said he will not negotiate? 3. Has the House sent over bills? 4. Has the House offered to negotiate?

Read 'em and weep... the fact that your Dems have played their cards so amateurishly, well, don't blame that on the Republicans... we will see if main/lamesteam media can pull your donkeys out of this one this time... this is not 1995-96 anymore... this is in the internet and youtube age, my dear. :lamo:lamo:lamo

 

[Campbell]

See, per usual, you have it completely wrong, it is the patriotic real Americans playing hardball with the two Commie breached branches that have hoodwinked the American public with the assistance of their Commie friends in the mainstream media...

...and how could a minority faction do in the future what Obama and friends have already done, taken us to banana republic status, Obama being only a Chavez wannabe...maybe he should learn some Spanish and change countries again...what'a ya think? I mean, I think there is somewhat of an opening down there, appears to be plenty of oil money to be squandered...and no patriotic Americans there in a position to keep him cornered.

If it's that simple why won't Boehner do what the white house is asking...bring it to an up or down vote? I'll tell you why....he knows this is a figment of the imagination of Ted Cruz and the extreme right wing of the (T) party and that a CR would be passed with all Democrats and about 45 Republican votes. This is not rocket science...the foolish Republican party is just trying to make it seem that way.

 

[BMCM]

Why should the blame only go on the Republicans? Why should any blame at all go to the Republicans?

They have been willing to talk, to negotiate, have sent bills over to the the Senate...the Senate Dem "leader" who says, as does the president, explicitly said they will not negotiate...so whose fault is it really if the the Republicans are willing to fund the government in all areas besides Obamacare, that the Republicans are attempting to deal with reality and impose some sort of fiscal restraint where there has been absolutely none, and where we know that continuing in this manner is beyond unsustainable... in an attempt to force folks on the other side to be adults in this manner...perhaps is just what is needed.

Delaying, thus making the fall downwards steeper, harder, the coming collapse of our country is nothing to celebrate...is it?

And again, if the President and the Dems in the Senate don't get their way, all or nothing, how is that the Republican's fault if they don't give in to such an inflexible stance? How is that the Republicans fault at all, eh?

I admit, I have not read the entire ACA and I seriously doubt you have either. I don't know if it will work as designed or not. It's a law, it was passed, went thru the Supreme Court and found to be Constitutional. The Republicans can not pick and chose which laws they fund and which ones they don't fund. If the Republicans were smart they would fund it, let it be fully implemented. We'll know within a year if it works or not. If it don't then in 2016 they can use it against their opponent and most likely win the WH then repeal the law. They can say, we knew it wouldn't work but we worked with the Dems and funded it. If it does work then they can still take partial credit for it. To continue to throw this tantrum and stomp their feet is only gonna hurt them in the long run.

 

[year2late]

Well, it is not just Dems upset with the TeaParty. Other Republicans are not so happy with them as well. The question is, do they fear being primaried or do they fear other retribution by big pocket donors?

My guess is after this shutdown, the Tea Party will be even less popular.