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Dems proposal meets gop opposition.

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Fill in whatever proposal you wish and the headline would stay the same. Covid relief bill, gop opposition. Raise the minimum wage, gop opposition. Inquiry into the january the sixth free for all, gop opposition. Yesterday I asked why do people support the gop? Today I'm asking the same thing. What is it that the gop offers the common average working american?
 
Fill in whatever proposal you wish and the headline would stay the same. Covid relief bill, gop opposition. Raise the minimum wage, gop opposition. Inquiry into the january the sixth free for all, gop opposition. Yesterday I asked why do people support the gop? Today I'm asking the same thing. What is it that the gop offers the common average working american?

Great question. I don’t know what it is the GOP wants here. They just seem to say “it’s a lot” without specifics. And I don’t know who they’re working for here. Their own voters support the bill.
 
The GOP isn't the problem. Never has been. Democrats cannot decide amongst themselves.
 
Great question. I don’t know what it is the GOP wants here. They just seem to say “it’s a lot” without specifics. And I don’t know who they’re working for here. Their own voters support the bill.
That's the thing that kills me. Their own base is for this stuff and yet their leadership isn't...and still they vote republican. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
Fill in whatever proposal you wish and the headline would stay the same. Covid relief bill, gop opposition. Raise the minimum wage, gop opposition. Inquiry into the january the sixth free for all, gop opposition. Yesterday I asked why do people support the gop? Today I'm asking the same thing. What is it that the gop offers the common average working american?

As a democrat, I am not sure how the above adversely impacts a working middle class American. The opposition to the Covid bill is focused on non-Covid related spending as I understand it, raising the minimum wage is better left to the states as many have done and I could care less if there is or not a clown show regarding what happened on 1/6.
 
The GOP isn't the problem. Never has been. Democrats cannot decide amongst themselves.
Think not, watch as the dems pass bill after bill. Even ones that will help you.
 
That's the thing that kills me. Their own base is for this stuff and yet their leadership isn't...and still they vote republican. Stupid is as stupid does.
The GOP's base is not for this stuff.

That's another lie. We should start a tally on CNN.

As a democrat, I am not sure how the above adversely impacts a working middle class American. The opposition to the Covid bill is focused on non-Covid related spending as I understand it, raising the minimum wage is better left to the states as many have done and I could care less if there is or not a clown show regarding what happened on 1/6.
This. When the non-COVID is more than 3/4 of the bill, it's not a COVID bill.

Why are you not complaining about how it explodes the deficit?

Think not, watch as the dems pass bill after bill. Even ones that will help you.
Not think is the correct order for you statement.

I have been waiting for over a month for the Democrats to pass a bill. They cannot even get their own votes in line.
 
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As a democrat, I am not sure how the above adversely impacts a working middle class American. The opposition to the Covid bill is focused on non-Covid related spending as I understand it, raising the minimum wage is better left to the states as many have done and I could care less if there is or not a clown show regarding what happened on 1/6.

GOP has said price tag is too high. They have not said “get rid of MW and we’re in.”

GOP just wants to kill the bill because it would work and make their jobs tougher in 2022. That party’s leadership no longer governs or legislates. They just run against Democrats.
 
As a democrat, I am not sure how the above adversely impacts a working middle class American. The opposition to the Covid bill is focused on non-Covid related spending as I understand it, raising the minimum wage is better left to the states as many have done and I could care less if there is or not a clown show regarding what happened on 1/6.
Better left to the states? I forget which city in alabama that tried raising the minimum wage to fifteen. It was announced on a friday afternoon and by monday morning it was killed by the state republicans. Leaving raising the minimum wage to the people with money, is a long wait.
 
Today I'm asking the same thing. What is it that the gop offers the common average working american?
The same thing the Dems offer: Bread and circus.
 
GOP has said price tag is too high. They have not said “get rid of MW and we’re in.”

GOP just wants to kill the bill because it would work and make their jobs tougher in 2022. That party’s leadership no longer governs or legislates. They just run against Democrats.
The gop does not govern, they rule.
 
GOP has said price tag is too high. They have not said “get rid of MW and we’re in.”

GOP just wants to kill the bill because it would work and make their jobs tougher in 2022. That party’s leadership no longer governs or legislates. They just run against Democrats.

I do agree opposition is based on trying to gain power. The same thing happens when the other side hold the majority. Both parties IMHO are hypocrites and care mostly about retaining power.
 
Republicans cannot show evidence of fact that they have performed better than the Dems in what Reps say the represent. Smaller govt, fiscal responsibility, business, family values, patriotism, self-responsibility, etc. Reps most certainly cannot show better performance than Dems in areas that impact the avg American and those with less. All they do is pass legislation, often with Dem help, to put American treasure into the top of the pyramid, being the rich and large corps. And they're good at it because they stick together. The Dems hardly say or do anything until there is a ****load of public support. They, the Dems, most certainly show no leadership or initiative.
 
I do agree opposition is based on trying to gain power. The same thing happens when the other side hold the majority. Both parties IMHO are hypocrites and care mostly about retaining power.

Except one party wants to provide a massive relief bill that Americans desperately need, and the other party does not.

These are not equal things.
 
Fill in whatever proposal you wish and the headline would stay the same. Covid relief bill, gop opposition. Raise the minimum wage, gop opposition. Inquiry into the january the sixth free for all, gop opposition. Yesterday I asked why do people support the gop? Today I'm asking the same thing. What is it that the gop offers the common average working american?

That’s their game. Eleven years ago they built their entire identity around a promise to “repeal-and-replace” the ACA. They still haven’t come up with a replacement!

Let that sink in. They made health care (or rather, knee jerk opposition to the Dems’ health care plan) the animating issue of the party...and in over a decade never came up with a health plan.

The GOP is just a band of nihilists, has been for a while. That’s why all their stints in power are so disastrous. Of course they oppose helping Americans, ending the pandemic, and rescuing the economy. I’d expect nothing less.
 
Except one party wants to provide a massive relief bill that Americans desperately need, and the other party does not.

These are not equal things.

Both parties want a massive bill. One side wants a less massive bill.
 
Both parties want a massive bill. One side wants a less massive bill.

There is no planet in which 600b and 1.9t are considered are both considered serious proposals. The former is just what the GOP put out there to say they want to do “something.” Prevoiusly their big ideas were extra tax incentives for long business lunches and TAAA DAAAA - tax cuts!

If you’re gonna “both sides” an argument, bring something other than platitudes to the table please.
 
We need to understand the rather well developed (over decades) GOP strategy. They gave up on winning general elections long ago. its just that they have made it so obvious now that you would have to be a zombie not to see it.

The GOP has a built in easy path to winning the Senate, election cycle in and election cycle out. The country needed the rarity of two Senate runoffs in the same state at the same time coupled with madman Donnie fueling resistance to the GOP to even earn a 50-50 split in 2020.

The country's bend toward justice is slow and painful and while some DEM's want to make the case that we should just accept Socialism because we are already Socialist and the Trump GOP wants to make the same case to support their candidates as "patriotic" supporters of the Republic, BOTH ARE WRONG. The country has not moved nearly as far LEFT as either side would have us believe. As for the Trump GOP being posed as "patriotic" supporters of the Republic, that LIE just got blown to smithereens.

What the DEM's and the "sane" part of the country has going for it is that Big money interests are done with Donnie, the SC is done with Donnie and Donnie himself just keeps filling the ranks of Independents with former GOP Party members. Also, the DEM's have discovered in their ranks is effective political activists that have dedicated themselves to fighting GOP voter suppression and gerrymandering at the state level and doing their level best to get out the vote. The DEM's need a Stacy Abrams in every battleground state and even with that, if it were not for Donnie's almost impossible to duplicate ignorance of the Deep South, the DEM's would not have pulled off their Georgia Trifecta in 2020.

IMO over the course of the next 3 election cycles Arizona, Georgia and possibly even Texas will move further Left, maybe far enough to make those states clear wins for DEM candidates by 2024-2026. But until then the country is at great risk of returning to power a GOP that is now CLEARLY all down with Autocracy and for its own ill intentions to boot. Every part of the GOP Hierarchy is dedicated to that idea with the exception of a few actual Conservatives that are so small in number that they can caucus in a phone booth. Even the least abhorrent wing of the GOP simply wants to find a less mentally disturbed version of Donnie Boy to make their standard bearer. God help us if we let them gain control of the Article 1 and Article 2 authorities in this country again. They might just hang SCJ's to get their way. So much for the Article 3 authority.
 
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