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Since you have to buy your insurance within a state, it is not interstate commerce, consequently the Congress has no jurisdiction. Forcing a citizen to buy any single product also constitutes socialism.Interesting spin on the constitution...
Do you want to tear it apart, or do you insist that I do?
Since you have to buy your insurance within a state, it is not interstate commerce, consequently the Congress has no jurisdiction. Forcing a citizen to buy any single product also constitutes socialism.
Care to point out the socialist in Washington that you are referring to?
DONC: As far a who are the socialists, since you lack the intestinal fortitude to research and derive your own understanding of socialism, I'll explain it to you...
Every stinkin' member of Congress with a (D) beside their name are socialists, plus a few (R)'s like Lindsey Graham, and McCain.. for additional (R) socialists refer to Republican Progressive Caucus.
Oh I have <“the intestinal fortitude to research and derive my own understanding of socialism”>just wanted a good chuckle and you gave me that with your lame attempt at calling anyone with a “D” a socialist. :2wave:
I also see that you got your memo from “Winger Central” about calling everyone the wingers don’t agree with socialist. Kinda smacks of McCarthy ara fear mongering to me. With commies, socialist in this case, hiding behind the big “D”, ready to pounce on the unsuspecting citizenry when the command is given.
THEY have taken over control of around 30% of our nations private businesses and if THEY can pass Cap and TAX, and the Healthscare Bill they will have taken over nearly 70% of American business... I won't trouble you with a definition of socialism.. you can Google that all by yourself...
Ohooo… the mysterious…THEY. I’m sure glad you have managed to identity who “THEY” are. :rofl
Could the big “D” be the mark of the beast?:shock: Nah, I believe the mark of the beast had three numbers rather than a big “D” but you cant be to careful, cant have these evil doers slipping things past us , even paranoids are right once in a while.
Cap and trade and healthcare are both a gift to the corporate masters, you know, the ones funding the lobbyist (both worldwide industrial and insurance companies) that have infiltrated our political system ,both parties. The last thing the puppet masters (whom the majority of have a big “R” on them) want would be a socialist government.
If someone loses his job for helping to pass Thew Obama's Health Care takeover, it is because they were NOT doing the job they were elected to do.The weak-spined Democrats need to worry if they don't stop acting like Republicans and if they don't start doing the things that they were elected to do.
This is an unsupportable assertion.The American people are not happy with the healthcare bill NOT because they don't want Healthcare reform as the party of NO would like to spin this.
They aren't happy with it because of the watering down that people like Lieberman and the other weak Democrats foisted upon them.
Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com
Yeah, the polls just show this to be true... :roll:
I wonder how Reid will feel about the "joy" when he and about a dozen other Senators are unemployed come Nov?
Dems not worried about post-vote backlash at home - Live Pulse - POLITICO.com
Yeah, the polls just show this to be true... :roll:
I wonder how Reid will feel about the "joy" when he and about a dozen other Senators are unemployed come Nov?
When your party has been dreaming this for decades... they are willing to sacrifice anything to make the Volk more dependent, and to have a future hammer to "show" how heartless Republicans are. Another chunk of liberty abolished.
Steyn, I think, has been particularly good at pointing out how Republicans are stupidly thinking tactically while Democrats are thinking strategically. The point isn't to win in 2010 or even maybe in 2012. It's to create a permanent majority dependent upon the state for something.
"The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes..." How does instituting a health care system violate this?16th amendment.
"the enumeration in the consitution of certain rights shall not be sontrued to deny or disparage others"9th amendment.
A truism, nothing more.10th amendment.
What's your point about this?Article I, section 8.
No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed? Huh?Article I, section 9, clause 3.
Article IV, section 2, clause 1.
:mrgreen:
You know there is legal precident that demonstrates it's not across the board, that is some state laws are not subjugated by federal law."The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes..." How does instituting a health care system violate this?
"the enumeration in the consitution of certain rights shall not be sontrued to deny or disparage others"
This could actually be argued that people have the right to access to health care under this, but I don't see how it helps your case.
A truism, nothing more.
What's your point about this?
No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed? Huh?
The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states"
What about it?
I disagree.. There WOULD be great harm in doing so...
We conservatives are fully involved and we are taking back the Republican party, so that we can rid our party of progressives and castrate the socialist agenda.... sans anesthesia!
Socialism (progressivism) is STILL the enemy of freedom and liberty and WE are taking the fight to them in 2010!
Pick a side folks .. it's going to be an interesting year in the old US of A! :2wave:
"The congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes..." How does instituting a health care system violate this?
The bill would not regulate any activity, per se, write former Justice Department lawyers David Rivkin and Lee Casey in a recent Wall Street Journal opinion piece: “Simply being an American would trigger it.”
Moreover, legal critics of the bill say a tax on Americans who refuse to buy healthcare insurance violates the 16th Amendment, which regulates how government can raise and spend taxes – a critical link to how Americans perceive individual liberty in their personal and business lives.
“A ‘tax’ that falls exclusively on anyone who is uninsured is a penalty beyond Congress’ authority,” write Messrs. Rivkin and Casey. “If the rule were otherwise, Congress could evade all constitutional limits by ‘taxing’ anyone who doesn’t follow an order of any kind – whether to obtain healthcare insurance … or even eat your vegetables.”
"the enumeration in the consitution of certain rights shall not be sontrued to deny or disparage others"
This could actually be argued that people have the right to access to health care under this, but I don't see how it helps your case.
A truism, nothing more.
tru·ism (trzm)
n.
A self-evident truth. See Synonyms at cliché.
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tru·istic (tr-stk) adj.
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truism [ˈtruːɪzəm]
n
an obvious truth; platitude
[from true + -ism]
truistic adj
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truism
a self-evident, obvious truth. — truistic, truistical, adj.
What's your point about this?
No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed? Huh?
The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states"
What about it?
Socialism, where you are forced to provide others with them means to exercise their rights, is slavery, the antithesuis of liberty.Socialism is positive freedom.
It is also contrary to human nature. Peopel will always act in what they see as their own best interest.communism in its final form (orthodox marxism) is the ultimate expression of human freedom because one would simply do as they please because there would be an abundance of resources freely available to use by all.
...the incredibly silly idea that what you earn is yours and that -you- have the choice to do what you will with said earnings.capitalism is merely...
It's not that we think "we should institute a public option so we can have a majority", we think "we should institute a public option because a society where everyone has access to health care and doesn't have to worry about being denied coverage, and a public option would be the best way to make sure of that".
What do you mean "puts a price on being free"No, the average Liberal Dem voter thinks this about helping people. The Dem political machine wants to ensure more people like you continue to vote for them.
You can't tell us how or where the money to pay for this will come from.
You cannot explain the right to do it.
You just "Feel" it's important to provide people something for free.
Question, why do you support a program that puts a price on being free?
Do you really think that 11 months from now, 12 senators who supported this will be out a job over this? The economy is going to be the big determinant to who people vote for in 2010. If the economy is improved significantly, dems will do well, it not, then dems won't do well. Health care is not going to be the big issue people vote on.
What do you mean "puts a price on being free"
that would be the fact that it forces you to purchase a product just for being alive.
I wasn't necessarily a huge fan of that aspect of it, personally. There were plans I liked better.
like what?
What do you mean "puts a price on being free"
Have you not read the bill?? The whole "You have to buy this product for your own good, or you go to jail" bit?
Or does that escape you?
We are about to see a congressionally mandated law that forces people to purchase a service, or face fines, and jail time.
Freedom, Individual freedom, once again suffers for the "greater good".
Socialism, where you are forced to provide others with them means to exercise their rights, is slavery, the antithesuis of liberty.
It is also contrary to human nature. Peopel will always act in what they see as their own best interest.
...the incredibly silly idea that what you earn is yours and that -you- have the choice to do what you will with said earnings.
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