Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppression’ allege

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

You support Republicans financing "spoiler" candidates who run in opposition to their own candidate? That is cheating in an election.

The Democrats did it in 2012, spending like 500K promoting the Libertarian candidate.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

You support Republicans financing "spoiler" candidates who run in opposition to their own candidate? That is cheating in an election.

Ikari has made a good case for another example of Republican voter suppression. Apparently he wants Mitch McConnell to remain as Majority Leader.

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

And people wonder how I can support the Green Party and loathe the DNC far more deeply than I do the GOP. Here's your answer. I would rather Trump be President 20 years than the current scum DNC candidates for 5 minutes.

What made you hate America that much? It can't be just this.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

The Green Party IS running candidates, they had 5.

The interesting thing about their candidates is that they're not Greens.

Fredrickson’s authenticity as a Green Party candidate has been undermined in part because the state Green Party has not publicly endorsed her (the Green Party did not respond to multiple requests for comment). Additionally, Fredrickson is supported by CSG Action, a Texas-based conservative group that has contributed $45,500 toward her campaign through the political action committee Go Green Montana, according to federal campaign finance filings. The PAC also spent $9,045 opposing Fredrickson’s Green Party primary competitor, Dennis Daneke. Fredrickson did not respond to a request for comment on her candidacy.

Several other candidates for state and federal office are running as Greens — so far, the Montana Green Party has not endorsed any of them. In April, party member Cheryl Wolfe posted on Facebook that none of the candidates running for the primary “are actual Greens as far as we can tell,” and that none had “been involved in Montana Green Party activities.”

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Ikari has made a good case for another example of Republican voter suppression. Apparently he wants Mitch McConnell to remain as Majority Leader.

And when the Democrats in Montana spent 500K promoting the Libertarian candidate, that was "voter suppression"?

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

The Democrats did it in 2012, spending like 500K promoting the Libertarian candidate.

That was also wrong. Do you have a link to that charge? Never mind I found it. That was a Senate race not a Presidential election. Do you also support Republicans facilitating Kayne West's candidacy like they have been doing?

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

We just need ranked choice voting and the spoiler roll dies. Then let them on at a much lower threshhold.

Only Maine has that, and it’s a very real possibility that it could occur for the Senate seat. The House seat CD—02 was determined by RCV in 2018 and GOP’s initially fought it. State elections are not RCV in ME.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

And when the Democrats in Montana spent 500K promoting the Libertarian candidate, that was "voter suppression"?

You’re reaching now, can’t prove the signatures were collected illegally, and just derailed your own thread.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Only Maine has that, and it’s a very real possibility that it could occur for the Senate seat. The House seat CD—02 was determined by RCV in 2018 and GOP’s initially fought it. State elections are not RCV in ME.

We got it here but only for local elections.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Only Maine has that, and it’s a very real possibility that it could occur for the Senate seat. The House seat CD—02 was determined by RCV in 2018 and GOP’s initially fought it. State elections are not RCV in ME.

Another state could have it soon!

If the ranked-choice voting question is approved, Massachusetts would become only the second state after Maine to use the system for many state and federal races, starting in 2022.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

The Democrats did it in 2012, spending like 500K promoting the Libertarian candidate.

Dzhill Stein is most certainly a Ru$$ian ass-et, along with Mikhail Flynn.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

That was also wrong do you have a link to that charge?

It was stated in the original story.

But if the DNC and RNC want to get into a pissing match with each other and throw tons of money at the third parties and help promote them, I say good. Our Campaign Finance laws are completely flubbed up and built to benefit only the Republocrats. The the GOP wants to get ballot access for the Greens or the DNC wants to get ballot access for the Libertarians, fine. So long as people know the petition they are signing is for that particular 3rd party's ballot access and that the 3rd parties control their own candidate selection. Votes aren't owed to the Democrats, they are not owed to the Republicans. People voting 3rd party aren't stealing votes from the Main Party. The Main Party didn't do enough to capture those votes.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

We got it here but only for local elections.

Anagram has been a big proponent of RCV. I want ALL paper ballots.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

It was stated in the original story.

But if the DNC and RNC want to get into a pissing match with each other and throw tons of money at the third parties and help promote them, I say good. Our Campaign Finance laws are completely flubbed up and built to benefit only the Republocrats. The the GOP wants to get ballot access for the Greens or the DNC wants to get ballot access for the Libertarians, fine. So long as people know the petition they are signing is for that particular 3rd party's ballot access and that the 3rd parties control their own candidate selection. Votes aren't owed to the Democrats, they are not owed to the Republicans. People voting 3rd party aren't stealing votes from the Main Party. The Main Party didn't do enough to capture those votes.

There is no false equivalence between the DNC and the RNC when it comes to voter suppression and you know it.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

There is no false equivalence between the DNC and the RNC when it comes to voter suppression and you know it.

3rd party candidates aren't voter suppression.

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

It was stated in the original story.

But if the DNC and RNC want to get into a pissing match with each other and throw tons of money at the third parties and help promote them, I say good. Our Campaign Finance laws are completely flubbed up and built to benefit only the Republocrats. The the GOP wants to get ballot access for the Greens or the DNC wants to get ballot access for the Libertarians, fine. So long as people know the petition they are signing is for that particular 3rd party's ballot access and that the 3rd parties control their own candidate selection. Votes aren't owed to the Democrats, they are not owed to the Republicans. People voting 3rd party aren't stealing votes from the Main Party. The Main Party didn't do enough to capture those votes.

Using spoiler candidates to win an election is cheating because it wrongly dilutes the will of the people. The purpose of elections is to choose the candidate that most resembles the desires of the majority of voters. You also have no idea who is controlling candidate selection either. Money controls everything in today's politics. You should be railing against that if you want reform.

 

[j brown's body]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

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Same ****, "different" party. The Republocrats have long vied for control over who can and cannot be on a ballot to protect their Oligarchy from the will of the People. I don't vote Green, but I wish them luck in their upcoming court battle to get back on the ballot.

Its not legal for a political party to work in cahoots with another party as the GOP is trying to do here with the Greens and with Kayne West. And we see the results here. It certainly isn't ethical, but they failed that test long ago.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Using spoiler candidates to win an election is cheating. You also have no idea who is controlling candidate selection either. Money controls everything in today's politics. You should be railing against that if you want reform.

It's not cheating to run 3rd party candidates. The suppression typically comes from the Republocrats as they seek to freeze out 3rd party participation. The Greens are an established 3rd party with national recognition. They aren't "spoiler candidates".

 

[ElChupacabra]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

The Kanye West thing is a ****ing mess. Trump's team seems to be trying to push him into States, but Kanye never put anything together coherently enough and in enough time to get onto ballots. If he could do it, and had a platform and a following to do it, then sure by all means. But that is more Republocrat shenanigans to try to influence votes in swing States. The Third Parties push their ballot access early and actually go out to get sigs, and have a concerted effort to be on the ballots. And that's what the Green Party did in Montana, only to have the Democrats trying to undo their work through coercion of Montanans to revoke their signatures that were already gathered and turned in to throw them off the ballot.

Republocrats do not want political competition. They don't want an open system. They want a closed system they control and they set the rules to because then they can never lose power. The sides might teeter-totter, but they'll never be out.

I support the right of anyone who is qualified to run to do so, but West's candidacy:

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

It's not cheating to run 3rd party candidates. The suppression typically comes from the Republocrats as they seek to freeze out 3rd party participation. The Greens are an established 3rd party with national recognition. They aren't "spoiler candidates".

Of course they are or the opposition would not be supporting them. Do you think Trump wants the Green party to win? Try and use you head.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

And Democrats did it previously with Libertarian candidates. So long as the signatures weren't fake and the people who signed them were informed it was for Green Party ballot access, then so be it.

yeah, but if they were later informed of the complete story is it okay for them to change their mind?

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

yeah, but if they were later informed of the complete story is it okay for them to change their mind?

If you call them up once and just give facts, sure. But they were badgering people and had sent a third-party notary to people's houses to get them to rescind their signature, according to the article.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Of course they are or the opposition would not be supporting them. Do you think Trump wants the Green party to win? Try and use you head.

I use my head all the time. 3rd parties are not "spoiler candidates". Votes are not owed to the Republicans or Democrats. If a 3rd party runs and they get votes, those are votes they earned. They aren't stolen from the Republicans or the Democrats, the Republicans or Democrats did not earn those votes. 3rd party suppression has long been a goal of the Republocrats and they have fought vigilantly to freeze out 3rd party participation, as the Democrats are trying to do here. But votes are owned by the voter and the voter chooses who to vote for. No one owes their vote to any particular party. The Green Party is a legitimate and established 3rd party. They should be on the ballot, the signatures were validated and accepted, they have candidates to run. If the Democrats are worried they'll lose votes to the Green Party, then they need to get better candidates who can more widely appeal to Green Party voters. That's how it's supposed to work.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

It's not a conspiracy theory if they actually did it.

Doubling down on dishonest OP.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Anagram has been a big proponent of RCV. I want ALL paper ballots.

You can do IRV voting on paper ballots.