Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppression’ allege

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

After being pressured by the Republocrats. The main party doesn't want competition.

How were those 560 duped? Did the petition read "For Democrat Ballot Access" and then after they signed it, the Republicans scratched off Democrat and wrote in Green?

What do you mean how were they duped? The GOP illegally spent $100K to dupe them.

When they learned this, hundreds of them withdrew their signatures. As apparently is their right.

 

[Rexedgar]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Here's another one: Kanye West kept off Wisconsin ballot by state officials after missing deadline by less than two minutes

Yeah, and Bannon only stole a fraction of the $25 million...........

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

What do you mean how were they duped? The GOP illegally spent $100K to dupe them.

When they learned this, hundreds of them withdrew their signatures. As apparently is their right.

To dupe them how? Were they told that the petition was for something other than Green Party Ballot access? No, this is how they got them to recant.

One of Marbut’s volunteers, Debbie Rowe, said she talked at length with signatories who were pressured by Democrats to recant."The Democratic Party had called most of them about 15 to 25 times to badger them to do a withdrawal," she told Fox News.


"One elderly couple told me that they just didn't feel comfortable saying 'no' after the 20th call they received. The Democratic Party even had a third-party notary come to their house to take their withdrawal; I think that scared some people, too -- they think, 'now they know where we live.'"


Democrats had told petition signers that they should remove their names because the ballot effort was aided by Republicans and was not the work of the true Green Party.


But the national Green Party calls the petition “valid.”

Through insistent badgering of people, calling them over and over and over and harassing them until they got the number of withdraws necessary to get the Green Party kicked off.

The Republicans spent 100K on an effort to get people to support Green Party Ballot access, but the people who signed were told it was for Green Party Ballot access. If the signatures are real, then that's it. The Democrats spent 500K in 2012 supporting the Libertarian candidate in a similar effort.

If the RNC and DNC want to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and more getting third parties access to the ballot....good. The Libertarians and Greens should be invited to the debates as well. The Green Party is like the fourth largest party in the US. Let the People vote.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Comparing exposing this fraud to the GOP's systematic efforts to disenfranchise eligible voters is nuts.

The OP conspiracy theory has been debunked by multiple posters like you.

 

[Linc]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

After being pressured by the Republocrats. The main party doesn't want competition.

How were those 560 duped? Did the petition read "For Democrat Ballot Access" and then after they signed it, the Republicans scratched off Democrat and wrote in Green?

The conspiracy theory of Republocrats is a QAnon-type CT.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

The OP conspiracy theory has been debunked by multiple posters like you.

It's not a conspiracy theory if they actually did it.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

To dupe them how?

By collecting signatures under false pretenses, obviously.

 

[Mr Person]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

And Democrats did it previously with Libertarian candidates. So long as the signatures weren't fake and the people who signed them were informed it was for Green Party ballot access, then so be it.

Did what to previous Libertarian candidates?

Something dishonest or otherwise scummy?

I really do not see what is slimy (let alone Fox's "voter suppression") in calling up people who signed, telling them about Republican shenanigans, and convincing some to withdraw their signatures. If they're telling the truth, they aren't playing dirty.

After being pressured by the Republocrats. The main party doesn't want competition.

How were those 560 duped? Did the petition read "For Democrat Ballot Access" and then after they signed it, the Republicans scratched off Democrat and wrote in Green?

The "duping" is Republicans paying people to go house to house or whatever they did, pretending to be Green Party supporters, when the only intent is to sap votes from the Democrat.

Hell, according to what Greenbeard posted above, the Green Party didn't even want to be on the ballot.

 

[Hatuey]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

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Same ****, "different" party. The Republocrats have long vied for control over who can and cannot be on a ballot to protect their Oligarchy from the will of the People. I don't vote Green, but I wish them luck in their upcoming court battle to get back on the ballot.

Voter suppression does not entail calling people and convincing them to rescind their support for a party, that is funded by one of the two parties.


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[Visbek]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Which is a good thing. That is interference and as far as I'm concerned GOPers doing that interference should be charged as such. But when I worked at it, you had sheets to gather sigs on. You couldn't copy sheets or such, you had to go to the secretary of state and be issued the sheets. 20 names could be collected on each sheet. Then when it was challenged, all the challenger had to do was say "we challenge this signature" and the whole sheet would be tossed. No explanation needed for the challenge.

Yep, I support the Green Party, but in the same exact way that votes need to be clean, so do ballot petitions. If that makes things tough for 3rd parties, it sucks, but it's necessary.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

By collecting signatures under false pretenses, obviously.

In February. Kind of funny the Dems waited til now to try to spring their trap and coerce people to recant their signatures.

The Montana Green Party is going to court to defend those signatures and working to have those that recanted to reconsider. They have a candidate for the Senate in the 2020 election. Their worry in what they posted was people pretending to be Green but in a way to smear the Green Party and diminish them. The Republicans having collected signatures didn't do that, it just collected signatures.

People signed for Green Party access, the Green Party has candidates. Let the People vote.

 

[Perotista]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

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Same ****, "different" party. The Republocrats have long vied for control over who can and cannot be on a ballot to protect their Oligarchy from the will of the People. I don't vote Green, but I wish them luck in their upcoming court battle to get back on the ballot.

The usual method is just to pronounce the signatures invalid. The two major parties have a monopoly on our electoral system. Both will go to any length to keep it that way. They don't want the voter to have a real choice, just a choice two very evil parties. They will even work together to prevent any viable third party from rising. The Republicans and Democrats write out election laws as a mutual protection act.

They don't want a Democracy, they don't want the voter to have more than just two choices. Vote for the devil or vote for satan, no third choice allowed. Both major parties are the epitome of evil when it comes to our electoral system. They have all the power and aren't about to give it up, even in the name of democracy or voter choice.

The less choices, the better. That's their motto. They will try to enforce that by any means available, by hook or by crook.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Did what to previous Libertarian candidates?

Something dishonest or otherwise scummy?

I really do not see what is slimy (let alone Fox's "voter suppression") in calling up people who signed, telling them about Republican shenanigans, and convincing some to withdraw their signatures. If they're telling the truth, they aren't playing dirty.

The "duping" is Republicans paying people to go house to house or whatever they did, pretending to be Green Party supporters, when the only intent is to sap votes from the Democrat.

They called them over and over again until they agreed to recant and sent third party notary to people's houses.

And the Democrats spent 500K in 2012 pushing a libertarian candidate. They did the same thing.

It's not duping to collect signatures for Green Party Ballot Access if people are told that what they are signing is for Green Party Ballot Access. And those votes aren't owed to the Democrats, the Green Party is a viable party with national presence and if someone wants to vote Green, they should be allowed to. The height of hubris to believe those votes are owed to the Democrats. Let the People vote.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

In February. Kind of funny the Dems waited til now to try to spring their trap and coerce people to recant their signatures.

The Dems filed a complaint about the scheme in March.

 

[Visbek]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

In February. Kind of funny the Dems waited til now to try to spring their trap and coerce people to recant their signatures.

In February... so that was before Republican operatives got people to sign Green Party ballot petitions in bad faith?

Also, I may be wrong, but challenges to petitions usually happen after the deadline, which was fairly recent.

The Montana Green Party is going to court to defend those signatures and working to have those that recanted to reconsider.

Well, good luck with that. Of course, what they really should have done is their own canvassing, with enough signatures that this wouldn't have posed an issue.

People signed for Green Party access, the Green Party has candidates. Let the People vote.

Yeah, this doesn't stop anyone from voting.

The Green Party could have avoided this if they had gotten enough signatures on their own. They didn't, so they may have a legal argument, but they don't have much of a moral argument.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

They called them over and over again until they agreed to recant and sent third party notary to people's houses.

Your source for that seems to be something a former GOP state House candidate told FoxNews.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

The Dems filed a complaint about the scheme in March.

And Montana had accepted and validated the signatures.

“The Green Party wishes for the valid petition submitted in Montana to stand and for Green Party candidates, including presidential nominee Howie Hawkins ... to appear on the Montana ballot,” O'Neil said. “Candidate suppression is a form of voter suppression and, by that measure, Democratic Party leaders are as guilty as anyone of voter suppression in this century.”

Marbut said he finds the attempt to remove ballot access ironic.

“I'm only mildly surprised at this extreme effort by Democrats to be undemocratic,” Marbut said.

It's not duping people if you say "Will you sign this petition for Green Party Ballot Access" when it's a petition for Green Party Ballot Access.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

It's not duping people if you say "Will you sign this petition for Green Party Ballot Access" when it's a petition for Green Party Ballot Access.

It's up to the people who were duped to decide if they feel duped and want to withdraw their signatures.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Yep, I support the Green Party, but in the same exact way that votes need to be clean, so do ballot petitions. If that makes things tough for 3rd parties, it sucks, but it's necessary.

We just need ranked choice voting and the spoiler roll dies. Then let them on at a much lower threshhold.

 

[Drawdown]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

And people wonder how I can support the Green Party and loathe the DNC far more deeply than I do the GOP. Here's your answer. I would rather Trump be President 20 years than the current scum DNC candidates for 5 minutes.

 

[Mr Person]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

They called them over and over again until they agreed to recant and sent third party notary to people's houses.

And the Democrats spent 500K in 2012 pushing a libertarian candidate. They did the same thing.

It's not duping to collect signatures for Green Party Ballot Access if people are told that what they are signing is for Green Party Ballot Access. And those votes aren't owed to the Democrats, the Green Party is a viable party with national presence and if someone wants to vote Green, they should be allowed to. The height of hubris to believe those votes are owed to the Democrats. Let the People vote.

I'm speaking from hubris now? For God's sake man, just because it happened to a third party doesn't make it nefarious.

They aren't running anyone. The only reason they got on the ballot is that Republicans pretended to be Green Party supporters and thus lied through their teeth to everyone who signed. The only reason they got off the ballot is that Democrat operatives used their first amendment rights to convince people to change their mind by explaining what happened. And it bears repeating, the Green Party doesn't even have a damn candidate for this cycle.

Who the hell would "the people" going vote for even if you got your way?

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

Your source for that seems to be something a former GOP state House candidate told FoxNews.

No, the source for that was a volunteer for Marbut, who is the Green Party candidate running for Montana State Senate.

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

No, the source for that was a volunteer for Marbut, who is the Green Party candidate running for Montana State Senate.

A "volunteer for Marbut" who ran as a Republican two years ago? Certainly fits with the general arc of the story!

 

[iguanaman]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

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Same ****, "different" party. The Republocrats have long vied for control over who can and cannot be on a ballot to protect their Oligarchy from the will of the People. I don't vote Green, but I wish them luck in their upcoming court battle to get back on the ballot.

You support Republicans financing "spoiler" candidates who run in opposition to their own candidate? That is cheating in an election.

 

[Ikari]

Re: Dems get Green Party kicked off ballot after pressuring petition-signers; ‘voter suppressionâ€

I'm speaking from hubris now? For God's sake man, just because it happened to a third party doesn't make it nefarious.

They aren't running anyone. The only reason they got on the ballot is that Republicans pretended to be Green Party supporters and thus lied through their teeth to everyone who signed. The only reason they got off the ballot is that Democrat operatives used their first amendment rights to convince people to change their mind by explaining what happened. And it bears repeating, the Green Party doesn't even have a damn candidate for this cycle.

Who the hell would "the people" going vote for even if you got your way?

Thinking that those votes are owed to the Democrats is hubris.

The Green Party IS running candidates, they had 5.