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Democrats were warned they would burn down CA.

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But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.
 
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But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

Most of the land on fire is fed property.
 
But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

Sierra National Forest - Home
 
But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

Well that makes me very sad for all the republicans in california. Vote trump so he can take no responsibility for the federal lands burning. Go team go.
 
These fires are actually good for the forests right now. In 40 years what grows back will be more bio diverse and healthier than what is there now.
 
But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

Biden killed JFK. Pass it on.

:roll:
 
But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.


How exactly were the Democrats supposed to prevent a massive die-off of trees? It was probably due to climate change, which means that it falls solidly on the backs of the Republican climate deniers.
 
How exactly were the Democrats supposed to prevent a massive die-off of trees? It was probably due to climate change, which means that it falls solidly on the backs of the Republican climate deniers.

They can start with less regulation and litigation. There are many hurdles to the issue in California, but some of the hurdles have to do with local regulations and threats of lawsuits. California has been getting better with this, but it's a slow process unfortunately.
 
Forget it, the OP is rolling... facts are entirely irrelevant to him and those likeminded.

49 days until we can donate all of our spare ammo to Michael Caputo of HHS... Manafort-Stone operative assigned to "an Oleg Deripaska project"
Deripaska is the Putin dispatched oligarch who polluted the Steele dossier and bribed Moscow Mitch with a so far "vapor aluminum plant" investment in Kentucky.

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/1260045221276143616
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Reports: Caputo apologizes to staff for espousing conspiracy theories
Reports: Caputo apologizes to staff for espousing conspiracy ...
4 hours ago - ... the shooting will begin,"... "..buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it’s going to be hard to get." ...

Michael Caputo goes on Facebook, Twitter rants: Accuses CDC of 'sedition' - Baltimore Sun
Michael Caputo goes on Facebook, Twitter rants: Accuses ...
11 hours ago - “If you carry guns, buy ammunition, ladies and gentlemen, because it's going to be ... Caputo's Facebook comments were another sign of the ...

Cesspool leak, in aisle one! I am trying mightily, but I cannot even keep up with the "prolific authorship" of the author of this thread, let alone the constant assault on reality, seemingly, "raining like cats and dogs" down on all of our heads.

I just paid $30+ to renew my annual digital subscription to "Left wing" WaPo let one "slip through", or?:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...tical-indifference-kindled-oregons-wildfires/
Opinions
Bad forest policies and political indifference kindled Oregon’s wildfires

Opinion by Julie Parrish
September 12, 2020 at 3:54 p.m. EDT

Julie Parrish is a former Oregon Republican lawmaker and a founding board member of the Timber Unity Association.

Oregon is burning, literally and figuratively. Fire ripped through a million acres in just three days — ....the state is preparing for a “mass fatality incident.”

Gov. Kate Brown (D) blames a “wind event” and climate change
for the conflagrations. .. I know better. Our state is ablaze for reasons much deeper than weather. For years, we’ve suffered from misguided priorities and dramatic failures of leadership..

Blah, blah, ...

The Oregon GOP's Favorite Anti-Environment Group Is Awash ...
The Oregon GOP’s Favorite Anti-Environment Group Is Awash in Racism and Violent Threats – Mother Jones
Mar 6, 2020 - Timber Unity is linked to neofascist and militia organizations—and once again, it's gotten its way via a legislative walkout.

https://pamplinmedia.com/pt/9-news/...-invites-timber-unity-to-take-dc-victory-lap-
President invites Timber Unity to take D.C. victory lap
July 03, 2019
..similarities with their movement and President Trump's populist rise.

https://www.wweek.com/news/state/20...-protesters-are-mingling-with-fringe-figures/
A Report Says Oregon’s Republican Protesters Are Mingling With Fringe Figures

Critics charge Timber Unity has permitted violent and bigoted language in its private Facebook group.
Protesters attending a Feb. 6 Timber Unity protest at the Oregon Capitol conveyed their dislike for Gov. Kate Brown.
By Rachel Monahan |Published March 3, 2020....
Critics charge Timber Unity has permitted violent and bigoted language in its private Facebook group....

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/us/politics/michael-caputo-hhs.html
Loyal Trump Backer Is Now a Face of the Administration’s Virus Response
The loyalty of the longtime Trump adviser Michael Caputo helped him secure a post as the top public affairs official at the Health and Human Services Department during the pandemic.

By Maggie Haberman, Annie Karni and Kenneth P. Vogel
April 16, 2020

He attacked allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia and wrote a book and produced a documentary during impeachment that were both titled “The Ukraine Hoax.” He has accused former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s son of profiting off his father’s name.

Now Michael R. Caputo, a longtime Trump loyalist who made a cameo in the Mueller report, has been installed as the public face of the Health and Human Services Department in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic.....

....Mr. Manafort, whom Mr. Caputo regarded with awe, primarily handled that work. Mr. Caputo was more closely allied with Mr. Stone, whom he considered a mentor, ..
By 2010, Mr. Caputo had resettled in the Buffalo area..., joined by his second wife, whom he met while working for Mr. Stone in Ukraine advising a parliamentary campaign...
 
In the grand scope of things its probably gonna be good for the forest

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Well that makes me very sad for all the republicans in california. Vote trump so he can take no responsibility for the federal lands burning. Go team go.

Yeah, Trump should have been over there cutting that s*** down and clearing it out. You bozo' s know there are people given those job responsibilities. But California has so many stupid conservation laws you can't do anything.
 
They can start with less regulation and litigation. There are many hurdles to the issue in California, but some of the hurdles have to do with local regulations and threats of lawsuits. California has been getting better with this, but it's a slow process unfortunately.

Another linkless rant? Really....?

And we can start by winning the election and investigating and prosecuting "Putin's maggots" to the fullest extent of the law!

This senator was interviewed this evening after finishing a 600 mile fact finding drive across his state, he saw no air not filled with choking smoke.
He said that every year, republican controlled senate blocks his requests for $1 billion appropriation for forest maintenance. He said second growth forests are
a major fire threat due to even height of all trees and that they grow too close together as they grow older....

Press Release | Press Releases | News | U.S. Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon
Feb 28, 2020 - Senators Merkley and Wyden wrote letters to the Forest Service and National Resource Conservation Service in support of the projects. “Oregon's ...

Press Release | Press Releases | News | U.S. Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon
Thursday, September 26, 2019
- In addition, Senator Merkley fought to maintain funding for the Collaborative Forest Landscape Restoration Program at $40 million. Oregon has ...

Press Release | Press Releases | News - Senator Jeff Merkleywww.merkley.senate.gov › news › press-releases › mer...
Sep 26, 2018 - WASHINGTON, D.C. – Oregon's U.S. Senator Jeff Merkley today introduced ... Last year, 71,500 wildfires burned 10 million acres nationwide, the ... Between 1998 and 2016, the number of Forest Service fire personnel grew ...
 
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But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times
By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.
The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

I don't suppose you realize that the federal government is in charge of most of the forest land in CA and that foresters are not an elected position.
 
Anyone who claims this fire season is because climate change has likely never picked up a history book to learn this sort of thing has been a constant occurance is california oregon, nevada arizona etc during drought years, or even in non drought years when large numbers of trees die off.

Those saying it is probably better likely also ignored history, as science does show fires are good for the forests, however it used to be a policy to ignore fires for the natural effect, until the great yellowstone fire, which caused govt and scientists to evaluate natural fire progression and instead try to balance it with controlled fires and fire prevention methods as the great yellowstone fire went from natural fires to out of control fairly quickley.
 
These fires are actually good for the forests right now. In 40 years what grows back will be more bio diverse and healthier than what is there now.

Considerably fewer than 40 years... take a look at Yellowstone 5-10 years after burning ..
40 years growth is icing on the conservationist's cake.
As you said... it will be healthier.
 
Considerably fewer than 40 years... take a look at Yellowstone 5-10 years after burning ..
40 years growth is icing on the conservationist's cake.
As you said... it will be healthier.

And this current condition isn't about climate change anyway. 200 years ago long before there were that many people in California, every year 5-10 million acres would burn. But after 1900 and with fire suppression, only about 300,000 to 600,000 acres would seasonally burn in the state. So yes, a MAN MADE cause, but not changing the climate. It has to do with how we manage forests just as the President is pointing out. We try too hard to prevent forests from burning, and by doing so we create MORE fuel, and more conditions for fire.

It is estimated than since Europeans arrived in California, the amount of wood and debris in our forests are has increased to five times what it was before Europeans arrived here.
 
Another linkless rant? Really....?

Another? You sound like my wife. Not sure what the absurd conspiracy theory about Putin has anything to do the conversation, but kudos on letting us all have a glimpse into your thought process and sanity.

For those who may be both uninformed and Google-inept:

Why isn’t California using more prescribed burns to reduce fire risk? | Ars Technica

Finally, there are the regulation-related barriers. Air board approval is one bottleneck. The experts interviewed felt that the working definition of “acceptable weather conditions” has been strict, which can cut short multi-day burn plans. There are also many local air boards around the state, and a lack of consistency can create problems for burn projects that have to involve more than one of them.

There’s some friction, in that the particulate pollution and carbon dioxide emissions of prescribed burns are counted as human-caused, while emissions from wildfires go in a separate category. There’s no offset for prescribed burns reducing potential wildfire emissions.

It’s also true that burns supported by state or federal grants have to undergo additional environmental reviews, which can sometimes hold up projects past windows of opportunity. The researchers say that the experts they talked to felt these reviews are designed for larger projects and don’t work well with prescribed burns. They were also leery of weakening environmental protections, though, so there was no clear recommendation.

The researchers noticed, unsurprisingly, that the California State Legislature tends to introduce more wildfire bills following major disasters—of which there have been plenty in the last few years. Many recent bills have focused on addressing roadblocks like liability concerns. But in order to treat something like a million acres of land each year, the researchers say more strategies (and money) will have to come out.

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Sometimes from start of the project to final implementation, it can take 15 years,” said Brian Crawford, a fuels technician with the Tahoe National Forest. “In some people’s career, they barely see the start to the finish. We should be putting fire in these ecosystems at a greater rate than that.”

Prescribed burns remain controversial among some environmentalists, who aren’t afraid to file a legal challenge to kill a burn in court.

The Chaparral Institute, an environmental group in Escondido, said deliberately setting fires to chaparral can leave the lowland forests in worse shape than before, as the grasses are typically replaced by non-native weeds that are more combustible.
 
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Considerably fewer than 40 years... take a look at Yellowstone 5-10 years after burning ..
40 years growth is icing on the conservationist's cake.
As you said... it will be healthier.

Not so sure. A large portion of Yellowstone was lodgepole pine. Lodgepole pine is a fire dependent species.

"Lodgepole pine forests grow and die uniformly. Most of Colorado’s lodgepole pine forests developed following hot, stand-replacing crown fires (CSFS 2008)1. Lodgepole pine is intolerant to shade and thrives in the aftermath of fire; many lodgepole produce serotinous cones, which open in response to extreme heat and release an abundance of seeds. These long-lived cones may remain viable for decades, waiting for a fire to release their seeds. The prolific regeneration that naturally occurs in the open, sunny areas left in the fire’s wake often results in dense stands of 20,000 or more trees per acre. These forests often are referred to as dog-hair stands."
Lodgepole Pine | Colorado State Forest Service

The forests burning California, Washington and Oregon are made up of Redwoods along the coast, oak, fir, spruce, ponderosa pine and other species of pine. They don't rely on stand replacement fires. They are more adapted to lower intensity ground fires.
 
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