Democrats were warned they would burn down CA.

[PNW Guy]

Not so sure. A large portion of Yellowstone was lodgepole pine. Lodgepole pine is a fire dependent species.

"Lodgepole pine forests grow and die uniformly. Most of Colorado’s lodgepole pine forests developed following hot, stand-replacing crown fires (CSFS 2008)1. Lodgepole pine is intolerant to shade and thrives in the aftermath of fire; many lodgepole produce serotinous cones, which open in response to extreme heat and release an abundance of seeds. These long-lived cones may remain viable for decades, waiting for a fire to release their seeds. The prolific regeneration that naturally occurs in the open, sunny areas left in the fire’s wake often results in dense stands of 20,000 or more trees per acre. These forests often are referred to as dog-hair stands."
Lodgepole Pine | Colorado State Forest Service

The forests burning California, Washington and Oregon are made up of Redwoods along the coast, oak, fir, spruce, ponderosa pine and other species of pine. They don't rely on stand replacement fires. They are more adapted to lower intensity ground fires.

Don't forget our Cedars up north are just cousins of those Sequoias and Douglas Fir predominates with Red cedar, Spruce (mostly Sitka I believe, some HUGE trees), and Hemlock (the ones that are shade tolerant, shallow rooted and always falling oon houses and powerlines in winds after rainstorms). Almost devoid of Pine forests up here in WA, maybe in the far east?

 

[PNW Guy]

Not so sure. A large portion of Yellowstone was lodgepole pine. Lodgepole pine is a fire dependent species.

"Lodgepole pine forests grow and die uniformly. Most of Colorado’s lodgepole pine forests developed following hot, stand-replacing crown fires (CSFS 2008)1. Lodgepole pine is intolerant to shade and thrives in the aftermath of fire; many lodgepole produce serotinous cones, which open in response to extreme heat and release an abundance of seeds. These long-lived cones may remain viable for decades, waiting for a fire to release their seeds. The prolific regeneration that naturally occurs in the open, sunny areas left in the fire’s wake often results in dense stands of 20,000 or more trees per acre. These forests often are referred to as dog-hair stands."
Lodgepole Pine | Colorado State Forest Service

The forests burning California, Washington and Oregon are made up of Redwoods along the coast, oak, fir, spruce, ponderosa pine and other species of pine. They don't rely on stand replacement fires. They are more adapted to lower intensity ground fires.

Yeah we have pines in the east, just hardly any on our side of the mountains.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Tell us why it is not relevant that most of the fires are on Federal land?

Well, perhaps you mean you want Democrats to accept the blame, and that is fine with me. Republicans policies would cure the problem. This is not a one season problem.

 

[OlNate]

Irrelevant.

:lamo Of course it is... Way to feed the stereotype, though... :lamo

 

[jnug]

These fires are actually good for the forests right now. In 40 years what grows back will be more bio diverse and healthier than what is there now.

Actually no...part of the problem is that when you wipe out entire forested areas it all grows back at the same time and too dense. Everything is the same height and there is too much of it. Managing forest is more than just controlled burns.

Breakout for Cali forests:
Federal lands = 57%
Private Property = 39%
state forest = 3-4%

 

[Robertinfremont]

And this current condition isn't about climate change anyway. 200 years ago long before there were that many people in California, every year 5-10 million acres would burn. But after 1900 and with fire suppression, only about 300,000 to 600,000 acres would seasonally burn in the state. So yes, a MAN MADE cause, but not changing the climate. It has to do with how we manage forests just as the President is pointing out. We try too hard to prevent forests from burning, and by doing so we create MORE fuel, and more conditions for fire.

It is estimated than since Europeans arrived in California, the amount of wood and debris in our forests are has increased to five times what it was before Europeans arrived here.

Democrats major flaw is they are authoritarians. These problems are caused by authoritarians.

 

[Robertinfremont]

:lamo Of course it is... Way to feed the stereotype, though... :lamo

Stereotypes are daily applied to Trump. But he does know how to solve the fire problem.

 

[OlNate]

Stereotypes are daily applied to Trump. But he does know how to solve the fire problem.

So, why didn't he? Of all the things you guys are happy to allow him to shirk, due to your mantras around constitutional jurisdiction, surely you'll hold him to what happens on federal lands, no? So, if he knows what to do, why didn't he do it? He has had nearly four years to do something about it... :shrug:

 

[weaver2]

Democrats major flaw is they are authoritarians. These problems are caused by authoritarians.

Authoritarian forestry practices is what causes forest fires? That's pretty dumb even for a Trumpeter.

 

[weaver2]

Stereotypes are daily applied to Trump. But he does know how to solve the fire problem.

By raking leaves in an evergreen biome?

 

[mike2810]

Well, perhaps you mean you want Democrats to accept the blame, and that is fine with me. Republicans policies would cure the problem. This is not a one season problem.

You got one thing correct. It will take years to "cure" the problem.

Please tell us what the Republican policies are that would cure the problem?

 

[Robertinfremont]

You got one thing correct. It will take years to "cure" the problem.

Please tell us what the Republican policies are that would cure the problem?

You nor I are fire fighting specialists.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Authoritarian forestry practices is what causes forest fires? That's pretty dumb even for a Trumpeter.

Word salad is your best.

 

[Robertinfremont]

So, why didn't he? Of all the things you guys are happy to allow him to shirk, due to your mantras around constitutional jurisdiction, surely you'll hold him to what happens on federal lands, no? So, if he knows what to do, why didn't he do it? He has had nearly four years to do something about it... :shrug:

This is not a one year problem.

 

[mike2810]

You nor I are fire fighting specialists.

You proved my point. You do not answer questions.

- Sorry, you are wrong about me. 30 years in wildland fire. BS in Forestry, MS in Wildfire Science.
- Now please tell me what Republican policies are you referring too that will "cure" the problem?
- Funny. Then how do you know the Republican policies are good if you are not a "firefighting specialist"?

 

[ataraxia]

But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

Still looks better than rural Mississippi.

 

[joko104]

Well that makes me very sad for all the republicans in california. Vote trump so he can take no responsibility for the federal lands burning. Go team go.

Without a doubt, all Republicans should leave California. Go to Texas or Arizona. Republicans in New York should move to Florida. Bring their money and jobs with them, plus their votes of course too.

 

[OlNate]

This is not a one year problem.

That doesn't answer why Trump has, according to you, known what to do about fire, and yet nothing has been done in his nearly four years to do anything about it. It certainly doesn't put the blame logically on California. Did you want to try again, or is this just you asking me to leave you alone?

 

[ludin]

How exactly were the Democrats supposed to prevent a massive die-off of trees? It was probably due to climate change, which means that it falls solidly on the backs of the Republican climate deniers.

sorry a fire started by someone using fireworks for a gender reveal party which has sparked one of the largest fires has nothing to do with global warming.
please use correct scientific terms when discussing things.

 

[Manc Skipper]

sorry a fire started by someone using fireworks for a gender reveal party which has sparked one of the largest fires has nothing to do with global warming.
please use correct scientific terms when discussing things.

GW has an effect on any wildfire however triggered conservatives might feel.

 

[ludin]

Forget it, the OP is rolling... facts are entirely irrelevant to him and those likeminded.

Fire on the Mountain: Rethinking Forest Management in the Sierra Nevada | Little Hoover Commission

CA does have the ability to manage the land.
It is all right there on CA .gov.

including the study that cited the issue.

 

[ludin]

GW has an effect on any wildfire however triggered conservatives might feel.

yes we know triggered leftist don't care about facts. Sorry someone lighting a firework display off that caused a massive forest fire
has little to nothing to do with global warming.

these are called facts.

 

[Moderate Right]

But they ignored the warnings.

150 million dead trees are fueling huge Sierra wildfires - Los Angeles Times

By BETTINA BOXALLSTAFF WRITER
SEP. 13, 20205 AM
Two years ago scientists warned that a massive tree die-off in the Sierra Nevada could set the stage for forest conflagrations akin to World War II fire bombings.

The Creek fire, which forced the dramatic helicopter evacuations of more than 200 campers over Labor Day weekend in California, may be a hint of far worse to come in future years.

Guess liberals don't listen to the science after all.

 

[Robertinfremont]

Most of the land on fire is fed property.

And who do you think made it Federal property?

 

[Robertinfremont]

Guess liberals don't listen to the science after all.

They are not genuine liberals.