Democrats...heres your best ticket in 2020

[pilot16]

Democrats should be grateful that Donald J. Trump is president.

If any other Republican were the president now, s/he would probably win against the Democratic candidate in a landslide in 2020.

All the announced Democratic candidates are so wacky or so young or so old or so obnoxious or so inexperienced that they make Hillary Clinton look good in comparison.

Would certainly be interesting if Trump were to step aside and have the GOP hold another primary for 2020.

 

[VanceMack]

I don't know Hickenlooper.


Give me Huntsman as the frontrunner and you've got my vote, just so long as he promises (I really might just believe him) that he will replace any further liberal justices with judges considered liberal (not that they make decisions based on their politics), and if one conservative goes, a swing-vote. I'd have easily given Huntsman my vote if he was the 2012 GOP nominee.

Balance on the Supreme Court got huge after Gorsuch + Kavanaugh. I want 4 lib, 4 con, 1 swing. We need that in the long term.





I was actually very disgusted when Colbert beat Huntsman in S.C. That was a smart man with a good background, willing to stand up for what he really did actually think. He didn't play that game of pretending to be far right to get through a primary. I would trust him.

Kasich? Ehh...maybe as VP. But I actually didn't pay nearly enough attention to him because, well, you know what happened....

Huntsman was my write in candidate in 2016. I doubt and truly hope Trump doesnt run again in 2020. I suspect he will find a way to declare victory and say he has done all he said he would do and then walk away. Kasich would be a good candidate. Huntsman would. If Trump does run, I wont be shocked to see Romney run against him but I doubt there will be many serious challengers...it will just make for a **** show.

 

[VanceMack]

Do you think that's one tRump could beat. Frankly if he stays the course heading the advice of VP Coulter, Chief of Staff Hannity, Special Advisor Limbaugh and the daily intel briefing from Britebart … I think a good solid Democrat is a shoe-in.

Hickenlooper would be an EXCELENT President, not sure he can win the nomination but he's a good solid man; certainly someone that can and would bring the Nation back together.

Ive long said...I doubt Trump runs in 2020. I think he will find a way to declare victory and ride off into the sunset.

The only GOP candidate I would vote for at this point is Huntsman. I wrote him in in 2016 when the Libertarian party settled for that clown Johnson again. I'm hoping Austin Peterson or a stronger Libertarian candidate runs...but Im worried that the party shot itself in the foot so badly in 2016 it wil take them another 10 years just to get back to statistical zero.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Well first I think of course there are variations in being a moderate. But generally I think moderates are typically those that find common ground. They can often see both sides to solutions and tend to vote somewhere in the middle. They dont like the extremes. They dont want a one sided approach to everything. So for example for the current shutdown, they want to see both sides sitting down and hashing it out. Not talking via their "people." Old time negotiations like when Reagan and Tip sat down and figured it out.

I think a lot of moderates also tend to be fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Issues that probably would turn moderates off is a push too quickly into single payer, too many wars, banning of guns etc. Basically rushing to the extremes. A gradual push to those issues. I think thats been a big part of our problems, both parties push to their extremes and then the voters freak out and completely elect a majority of the other side. Then in two years they freak out again and vote the opposite. So over the past 30 years or so we get little done because the voters dont like what either is preaching.

I like the way you think.
I get it.

May I please suggest however, that the so called "too quick push" to single payer (just as an example) isn't really as quick as it might seem? For the last four decades, a variety of approaches have been tried to reign in the unbridled greed of the insurance companies.
The result? They behave worse.
Big Pharma, same thing. Same result, like 500 dollar a month insulin, for example. It is just INSULIN, most of it doesn't even come from cows anymore. Some of it is even off patent.
Big Pharma just jacks it up willy nilly.

A majority of Americans can no longer afford basic medicines, it's just that simple, and they're sick of the gouging.

 

[armycowboy]

Ive long said...I doubt Trump runs in 2020. I think he will find a way to declare victory and ride off into the sunset.

The only GOP candidate I would vote for at this point is Huntsman. I wrote him in in 2016 when the Libertarian party settled for that clown Johnson again. I'm hoping Austin Peterson or a stronger Libertarian candidate runs...but Im worried that the party shot itself in the foot so badly in 2016 it wil take them another 10 years just to get back to statistical zero.

If he doesn't run in 2020 (and I'm on the fence here) it would behoove him to resign before the 2021 inauguration and have Pence pardon him and his family ala Nixon.

 

[VanceMack]

If he doesn't run in 2020 (and I'm on the fence here) it would behoove him to resign before the 2021 inauguration and have Pence pardon him and his family ala Nixon.

His ego would never allow him to do that, and that of course assumes Mueller has something more on him than what has been reported so far.

 

[pilot16]

I like the way you think.
I get it.

May I please suggest however, that the so called "too quick push" to single payer (just as an example) isn't really as quick as it might seem? For the last four decades, a variety of approaches have been tried to reign in the unbridled greed of the insurance companies.
The result? They behave worse.
Big Pharma, same thing. Same result, like 500 dollar a month insulin, for example. It is just INSULIN, most of it doesn't even come from cows anymore. Some of it is even off patent.
Big Pharma just jacks it up willy nilly.

A majority of Americans can no longer afford basic medicines, it's just that simple, and they're sick of the gouging.

I get that and I understand. But unfortunately many of those over 50 still bristle at socialism or anything they even think remotely resembles it. So going towards single payer or even saying it sends them running for the hills. I do think if somehow we either call it something else or start lowering the age of Medicare each 5 years or so is a way to begin towards it. People then would be more willing to accept it. I dont think there is an overall hatred necessarily for any policy per se, but its their perception of it. If they think its something else or better, it would work. A little sugar with it..:lol: