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Democrats Get Lowest Rating From Voters in 35 Years

MAGAnificent said:
You are kidding right? The single biggest issue that destroyed the democrats in the 2024 election was the border enforcement issue.
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I thought it was the economy:



Immigration was an issue with particular groups:


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MAGAnificent said:
I will give you half credit on that one. They are in bad need of a leader. However they have a message, it was simply rejected. "Orange man bad" is not working for them.
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Indeed, which is why they need an actual message and an alternative platform. They have not done so thus far.

I largely agree here, and I think their efforts to just resist the change in politics is going to hurt them more than help. There are lessons to be learned from Mamdani's primary victory regardless of how one feels about him as a candidate. His approach and messaging is what pulled him well apart from an establishment candidate like Cuomo. I suspect Mamdani will be able to rally all of the people who are done with the establishment candidates in a similar way Trump did.

Democrats need to learn from the approach Mamdani took and craft that into something other candidates can use, and it's nothing magical, just creating a campaign that listens to the people and champions their issues. Where I do agree with conservatives is the Democrats have gone way too abstract on issues, and that's not to say all were bad ones to stand for. The problem is their more abstract issues did not only fail to address practical issues, but also relegated to party to cater to well heeled groups.
 
gbg3 said:
I was a registered Independent during many recent years and, like you, my vote was always consistent - just opposite of yours.
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Yep. "Independent" status only means one is not a registered member of a political party. It does not mean one is devoid of lean or partisanship.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Immigration is fine and necessary. However, let's cease lumping illegal immigration in with legal immigration. One is good. the other is very bad.
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This administration's been busy curbing legal immigration as well, so they have a different take on this.
 

Of geezus, Republicans' and now MAGA's lack of accountability & taking responsibility is ridiculous.

Reagan knew what he was signing, and what was and was not in the Amnesty Bill.

That the GOP faithful believed Reagan's line of bullcrap explains why the same crowd believer's Trump's.
 
phoenix2020 said:
That’s fair. I probably over-reacted a bit.
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phoenix2020 said:
I was just surprised to hear someone declare my post the stupidest one of the month purely on the basis of not maintaining an active WSJ subscription.
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phoenix2020 said:
I’ve seen some unusual bars being set in my years, but that was a weird one. Nothing against WSJ, I’ve been a subscriber roughly 70% of the last 15+ years. I just prefer to send dollars to NPR and PBS these days. They need it more.
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And IMHO - in the bolded - you had every right to be "surprised" . . .
 
ElChupacabra said:
This administration's been busy curbing legal immigration as well, so they have a different take on this.
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All free nations restrict legal immigration at some level. US policy is about average. It takes 5 years to become a US citizen in most cases. In Germany it takes 8 years. However, there are many legal avenues for legal residency. Just to not assume that any nation, including the US will make it as simple as filling out an application and waiting for approval and citizenship through the mail. It's not like applying for a passport or a driver's license.
 

It's absolutely hilarious to see MAGA insisting Reagan was a naive victim of "the Democrats". It's exactly the same passes they give Trumph today, especially blaming people Trump hires. Many MAGA are blaming Pam Bondi for Trump not releasing the Epstein Files!

I swear, it's something in their DNA . . .
 
ElChupacabra said:
One would think on aggregate, Trump would be faring as well as he was early in his administration when his immigration policy poling was above 50% unlike now.

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Dems hate Trump, as a general principle. And now he's hemorrhaging Indies in his deportation policies.

That's where Trump's sliding poor numbers come from.

On the flipside, MAGA loves his deportations.
 
Democrats need to stop supporting men in women's sports & stop propping up Socialist radicals like Mamdani.
 
madman said:
they offer nothing to you and your ilk, I agree. We're not going to apply policies that you want.
However, they have value to real American patriots.
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Yeah, their dismal poll numbers certainly disprove your thinking.
 

I actually agree with the other poster.

The economy/inflation may have technically been the #1 issue on voters' minds. But there was little that could be done to change that. It was largely a matter of personal perceptions.

However Illegal Immigration was an issue that the Dems could have nullified. Doing so, would have quite possibly allowed them to prevail in the close election.

Probably the more accurate way to state it is:

"Immigration was the pivotal issue"
 
Deuce said:
From the people who want America to round up legal residents for the crime of being brown.
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Offensive comments like yours are at the heart of why the Democratic Party numbers are in the skids. You lot never seems to think beyond their next race baiting comment. There are plenty of brown faces who voted not for Kamala but for Trump.
When the voters hear the Democrats in power talk like you do instead of discussing actual policy that can be helpful for them and the country it becomes a turnoff.
 
Desert Storm said:
You sure??

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I can't speak to the "purchase" or "investment" components of this "deal", as I have no prior reference to previous or usual purchase or investment.

However I'm always perplexed as to how raising taxes on Americans is celebrated as a "good thing".

Europeans pay no tax, but Americans pay 15%, and this is good? A "win"?
 
Expected. The party is a dumpster fire

 
Desert Storm said:
You sure??

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Yes he’s sure. As you pointed out, Donald’s trade deal imposes a 15% tax on Americans buying European goods in exchange for them promising to maybe spend some money on US goods on an unspecified timetable. Basically it’s the exact same thing China did to Donald in is first time where they agreed to make a promise they knew would expire once he’s gone in exchange for him hurting ordinary Americans. It’s a typical Trump deal. I can see why he bankrupted canisos.
 

Another fallacy.

Goodbye
 
Chomsky said:
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Enten did one of his animated reports on this generic ballot info not long ago. He showed past leads Dems had in the generic ballot when they did well and those when they didn't. Then he went down another path with the upcoming election - to enforce his point. I can't remember what the other path was and I'm too lazy to try to look for the video but he is not of the opinion that this lead is something Dems should consider good news. He does not think they are currently facing a good situation going into 2026. I might get motivated to look for it later. I think I posted it once before.
 
I think you're right as far as the base of the Dem party. But I question whether fighting harder will help the party's reputation with anyone beyond the base. I think you might be overestimating how many voters have the same "bad actor" view the base has and how many voters outside the (angry) base are actually looking for MORE resistance from the left.
 
MAGAnificent said:
They have been running away from that. They should seek to go back to the JFK era.
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JFK was pro-growth and supported middle-class and corporate tax cuts. He also supported the 2nd amendment - not completely - but way, way more than modern democrats.
 
Yes, but that "underwater" is far less underwater than Biden was or than even the Dems are now, when voters are asked which party they think is better at handling several of the important issues. Let's say a poll shows 52% of people polled disapprove of Trump's handling of border. If the next question is which party is better with securing the border, few or no polls would say the Dems.

So, I wouldn't get too excited about something like a 55% disapprove, 45% approve poll result - unless you add the full context to see if it's still worthy of feeling good about.

Wishful thinking or biased viewing of what polls actually say - can create a situation where a party becomes blind to weak spots they need to correct.
 
In my opinion, the further the Democratic Party leadership goes towards platforming and normalizing the more radical left-wing people and ideologies of that side of the political aisle then the more it ends up pushing people to, dare I say, demagogues like Trump, and then the response from that same leadership somehow ends up going even further to the left which then entrenches even more people and in their minds justifies the demagogue's words and fears. They (the Democratic Party) can't answer what they deem to be far-right radical by doing the opposite and going full force into far-left radical themselves. They have to answer radical with practical if they want to change the narrative and attract voters. You would think that they would have seen that writing on the wall a little more clearly after the 2024 election results, but they seem, at least to me, to want to keep going further to the left as a response. I think that's a big mistake.
 

Raw polling numbers do not directly translate to election results, due to differences in the electoral landscape.

We see this when Dems win the popular Presidential vote, but lose the Electoral College.

So it's of course the actual elections, that count.
 
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